The New Covenant Is The same as the Old Covenant but Internalized in our hearts

[LoveYeshua]

You begin with the accusation that we know better than GOD? I don't appreciate that spirit. I've given you scriptures and you've ignored them. I've told you that LOVE fulfills the law. That is what scriptures plainly teach. Being born anew produces a change in the heart- THAT is KEY. It is not about outward things or foods or days etc. It is an inward work by the Spirit of God to Love God and fellow man-- LOVE does not hate nor is it arrogant which is murder. Follow the concept through the commands and you will see it is true. it's not as if I made it up. It is written.

I will take Paul's advice here-
For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. 4But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, 5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men. 9But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. 10Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, 11knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.

so that is your definition of the new covenant LOVE? one word?

 

[LoveYeshua]

Where did you prove from scripture that Christians are supposed to live under the old covenant, the Law of Moses?

never mentionned gentileshave to follow the law of moses you did

You should study the New Testament which is the New Covenant. Yes, God's moral law is still applicable in the New Covenant but how we are to keep it is totally different than what was expected of God's people under the old covenant.

explain give me the details of ""how we are to keep it is totally different than what was expected of God's people under the old covenant. ""

The law of Moses under the OLD Covenant was not the end destination that the Lord desired for man. The NEW Covenant is the desired end destination God desires for man which is for His people to be born again abiding In the Body Christ with the Holy Spirit abiding in them. The New Covenant is based on better promises than the old covenant was. (Hebrews 8:6)

first i never spoke os the law of Moses most of these laws were for the people of that time not for us the gentiles, what remains is the ten commandments that God said was the covenant, 10 moral laws that are the core of the covenant

The sabbath was ordained as part of the Mosaic Law in Exodus 20:8-11. Moses served as a high priest (Exodus 28:1) and as a prophet of the Lord, and He was faithful in his calling over his house (the old covenant).

thesabbath was part of the ten commandments written by the finger of God on tables of stine and PUT INSIDE THE ARK OF THE COVENANT when will you get this? the rest of the law of Moses was [ut on the side but NOT inside,

Hebrews 3:5,6 - And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9 - Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

Yes the new covenant is started but people who say the commandments are nul and vois ARE NOT under the new covenant yet!

Hebrews 8:6 - But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

NOt true No change of the law jesus was clear on this not one letter of the law would change

Hebrews 7:12 - For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

the change is some of the laws of Moses are no longer necessary such as the Levetical laws, sacrificial laws, temple laws ect...

 

[Dash RipRock]

What are you talking about? I was doing no such thing. I said, which you did not quote, "You show your love of God by obeying His command to love others.". Why did you fail to quote that while just quoting a small part of what I said while misrepresenting what I said in my post, overall?

Where was the part about loving God comes ways way before loving others?

One of the biggest deceptions in our day is pleasing man, walking in agreement with what others think to be men pleases and servants of men putting men first before the Lord which is really a form of idolatry.

Loving the Lord always comes before loving people and should be framed as such, otherwise people are back to being men pleasers as servants of men and not servants of God

How do we show that we love God? By obeying His command to love others.

So loving people comes first and that's all the Lord is saying?

Matthew 10:37 - He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Those loving others more than the Lord are in big trouble and need to put the Lord first place in their lives!

 

[Behold]

The "Old Covenant" has no Jesus on The Cross = who is the New Covenant.

So, these 2 covenants, are definitely NOT the same.

 

[Dash RipRock]

never mentionned gentiles have to follow the law of moses you did

There are those claiming to be Christians (so called Hebrew Roots movement) trying to get people back under the law similar to what happened to the Galatians who fell from grace (no longer saved) when they turned away from the Lord and went back to the law.

Under the New Covenant we are called to walk after the Law of Christ, not the law of Moses so this distinction needs to be made to help people not be deceived and end up falling from grace like the Galatians did.

explain give me the details of ""how we are to keep it is totally different than what was expected of God's people under the old covenant. ""

If you have to ask... LoL.

They did not have the Holy Spirit inside of them, New Testament Christians do. BIG difference!

thesabbath was part of the ten commandments written by the finger of God on tables of stine and PUT INSIDE THE ARK OF THE COVENANT when will you get this?

If you understood the New Covenant you would know that there is something far greater than Saturday Sabbath for those who are IN Christ.

Those observing Saturday Sabbath do not understand the New Covenant and are trying to keep something that went away when the old covenant was done away with by Jesus when He came.

Yes the new covenant is started but people who say the commandments are nul and vois ARE NOT under the new covenant yet!

Those not walking in the New Covenant are still separated from the Lord on their way to hell.

People need to repent of their sins, get born again, and abide IN Christ and live under the New Covenant.

9 of the 10 Commandments are listed in the New Covenant as they were originally given, but Saturday Sabbath has been upgraded to a much higher standard that just taking Saturday off from work and going to church on Saturday

NOt true No change of the law jesus was clear on this not one letter of the law would change

OK, so you believe the Book of Hebrews has lies in it. That's too bad for you!

the change is some of the laws of Moses are no longer necessary such as the Levetical laws, sacrificial laws, temple laws ect...

You apparently forgot all about believers under the New Covenant are to abide IN Christ and allow Christ to abide IN them which is one of the MAJOR differences between the OT and the NT. We have the Holy Spirit indie, they did not.

Or maybe you did not even know about this after claiming the Book of Hebrews has lies in it and not being aware that New Covenant believers are now under the Law of Christ and the law of moses has been done away with.

Hebrews 3:5,6 - And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after; But Christ as a Son over His own house; whose house are we, IF we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Now, there is a new house, the Body of Jesus Christ! Under the New Covenant that the Lord said would come forth, we see Jesus Christ as the High Priest. The old covenant with it’s laws and regulations have been taken away because thru Jesus Christ a new and better covenant has come in to place.

Hebrews 10:9 - Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

That's Jesus speaking in Hebrews 10:9 so be careful about claiming what we see in the Book of Hebrews is not true.

Hebrews 8:6 - But now hath Jesus obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also Jesus is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12 - For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

the new covenant is actually the old covenant, only it was paid for by the blood of the lamb (Abrahams covenant is the promise. The new covenant is the fulfilment)

it is also the fulfillment of the Old (mosaic) as no one could be justified by the mosaic law. it was given to expose sin, not to save us

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where was the part about loving God comes ways way before loving others?

What is your problem, dude? Nowhere am I saying that loving God doesn't come before loving others. Nowhere. So, you seem to have a major reading comprehension problem that you need to work on.

So loving people comes first and that's all the Lord is saying?

Matthew 10:37 - He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Those loving others more than the Lord are in big trouble and need to put the Lord first place in their lives!

Where am I saying anything about loving others more than the Lord? Nowhere. Please learn how to read and then, after you do that, get back to me.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Nowhere am I saying that loving God doesn't come before loving others.

But this isn't mentioned in your posts

You speak of loving others but never talk about loving God BEFORE loving others.

It's an omission thing that leads people to think loving others is our top priority when it is not.

Loving the Lord first and foremost is out top priority and people are a distant second compared to the Lord.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

But this isn't mentioned in your posts

You speak of loving others but never talk about loving God BEFORE loving others.

It's an omission thing that leads people to think loving others is our top priority when it is not.

Loving the Lord first and foremost is out top priority and people are a distant second compared to the Lord.

I have not said otherwise! Don't blame me for your lack of reading comprehension skills! I said "You show your love of God by obeying His command to love others.". You can't love others as God commands unless you love Him first. How do we show that we love God? By obeying His commands and serving Him, right? Of course that is our priority. I have never said otherwise. Stop misrepresenting what I believe! Of course loving God takes priority over everything else. We wouldn't know that He wants us to love others if we didn't love Him first and put Him first.

 

[Dash RipRock]

I have not said otherwise!

But you don't mention anything about loving the Lord as being our very top priority.

So someone needed to bring proper balancer to your post there

Glad to be able to help out. No other will know that we are to love the Lord first, and then love people second.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

But you don't mention anything about loving the Lord as being our very top priority.

So someone needed to bring proper balancer to your post there

Glad to be able to help out. No other will know that we are to love the Lord first, and then love people second.

I didn't say otherwise at all, so you have not helped out one tiny bit. Instead, you are slandering me and misrepresenting what I believe, which is foolish.

 

[Dash RipRock]

you are slandering me

I see so mentioning something you forgot to put in is slander?

You should try and relax and take it easy.

Stress, worry, anxiety, and fear are very unhealthy.

People add stuff to my posts all they time and they aren't slandering me because they see things differently.

That's just goofy to make that claim.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I see so mentioning something you forgot to put in is slander?

I didn't forget to put it in. You just didn't understand what you were reading.

You should try and relax and take it easy.

I'm not going to accept it when someone misrepresents my view. It has nothing to do with relaxing and taking it easy.

Stress, worry, anxiety, and fear are very unhealthy.

It's unhealthy for you spiritually to not care if you are misrepresenting someone's beliefs or not.

People add stuff to my posts all they time and they aren't slandering me because they see things differently.

That's just goofy to make that claim.

I don't care what you think about that. If you think it's acceptable to misrepresent what others believe, even after they explain what they were saying, then that is a serious problem that you should correct.

 

[PS95]

I did not see where you stated what the Lord of God actually is

1 John 5:3 - For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

What the Lord of God actually is? I'm not sure of your question.
The Lord's Christ as in Rev 11?
"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” "

1 John 5:3- "The love of God is that we keep His commands". Yep. What are His commands?
Love God with all heart, soul.. & love neighbor as yourself.

So yes- I say it's about LOVE.
Am I saying "love is love" like the lgbtq-ers. Of course not. that's perverted fleshy lust

First- why do I love God? Because he FIRST Loved Me! Jesus revealed His love to me.- When I accepted His unspeakable gift of love and grace for my sins, He gifted me the Holy Spirit in my heart. I was changed forever inwardly and still to this day, He works within me guiding me, teaching me, convicting me when I mess up etc.

God's laws are written on my heart & I am convicted by the Spirit of God in me- if I THINK something mean about someone for 20 seconds. (that's murder, right?-and adultery- a lustful thought) He works in my heart.. transforming me
My point to the OP-er is that the commands are expanded and that yes, LOVE covers all of them.

I'm convicted by the Spirit of God in me- if I THINK something mean about someone for 20 seconds. (that's hate which is = murder, agree?-and adultery- a lustful thought)
they are expanded ---
Or is it ok to sit around and contemplate stealing from someone as long as you don't do it? ?? See what I'm saying?

It is about the heart not the letter. God changes our hearts to align with Him. The Sabbath has also been EXPANDED to every day when we rest in Christ. --Hebrews 4 explains that***

Does love murder people? Does love steal from someone? Does love commit adultery? Does love rest in the Sabbath? Does love slander others? Does love have other gods? Does love use God's name in vain? Does love ignore their parents? Does love covet? Does love curse God?
No. AND-- it doesn't hate others, doesn't think about stealing, doesn't think about adultery, doesn't think about serving other gods, Doesn't ignore God's provision of daily rest from our works, and so on.
It is about the heart not the letter.

I can't earn any favor with God- He already gave us that. I can't earn any righteousness. He gave us His. Resting from our works is every day- REST. Praise God for His GIFT! That is what entering God's REST is. The Sabbath was made for man not for God. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He gives us REST. Hebrews 4 explains it

Love fulfills the LAW That is what the scriptures say repeatedly and I agree. I think I have explained it best I can. Does that help answer your Q?

(The OP was obviously attacking believers over keeping a Saturday Sabbath) That's why I wrote what I did in post 5.

 

[PS95]

so that is your definition of the new covenant LOVE? one word?

I have explained that further in my posts here. Does love hate? No. Does love lie? no. Does love steal? no. ETC
I don't know why you can't agree- other than you do not agree with the WRITER of Hebrews ( there is no proof it was PAUL) who said the Old was OBSOLETE. Why would I continue discussing this with someone who flat out rejects that scripture uses the word, OBSOLETE 2x? You say it is not obsolete. I say it is why? Because that is what it says! Simple, right?. You disagree not with me LoveYeshua, you disagree with what scripture plainly says!!
All of the 10 commandments are repeated in the NT in some way, BUT they are also EXPANDED to be about the heart and not the letter.

Do you think it is safe to believe that just thinking about stealing something is a breaking the command not to steal? or are you righteous since you did not actually steal? Catch my drift?

I figured that you began this thread about the Sabbath and that's why I replied with the verses that I did back in post 5- If you accepted those verses below- we would not be having this discussion.

I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS,
AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS.
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD,
AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
11“AND THEY WILL NOT TEACH, EACH ONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN,
AND EACH ONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’
FOR THEY WILL ALL KNOW ME,
FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
12“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TOWARD THEIR WRONGDOINGS,
AND THEIR SINS I WILL NO LONGER REMEMBER.” 13When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.


Ro 13-8Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves [g]his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. 9For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 10Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.

As to the Sabbath day - also expanded- Sabbath rest is daily now when we rest from our works. Heb 4
If someone prefers to hold one day above another- that's fine and we should never judge over that, but it will not earn righteousness.
Gathering with other believers is always good any day! Even when 2 or more are gathered in his name- Jesus is there among us.
Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. / These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.

Hebrews 4:9-10
There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I have explained that further in my posts here. Does love hate? No. Does love lie? no. Does love steal? no. ETC
I don't know why you can't agree- other than you do not agree with the WRITER of Hebrews ( there is no proof it was PAUL) who said the Old was OBSOLETE. Why would I continue discussing this with someone who flat out rejects that scripture uses the word, OBSOLETE 2x? You say it is not obsolete. I say it is why? Because that is what it says! Simple, right?. You disagree not with me LoveYeshua, you disagree with what scripture plainly says!!
All of the 10 commandments are repeated in the NT in some way, BUT they are also EXPANDED to be about the heart and not the letter.

Do you think it is safe to believe that just thinking about stealing something is a breaking the command not to steal? or are you righteous since you did not actually steal? Catch my drift?

I figured that you began this thread about the Sabbath and that's why I replied with the verses that I did back in post 5- If you accepted those verses below- we would not be having this discussion.

I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS,
AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS.
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD,
AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
11“AND THEY WILL NOT TEACH, EACH ONE HIS FELLOW CITIZEN,
AND EACH ONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, ‘KNOW THE LORD,’
FOR THEY WILL ALL KNOW ME,
FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
12“FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TOWARD THEIR WRONGDOINGS,
AND THEIR SINS I WILL NO LONGER REMEMBER.” 13When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is about to disappear.


Ro 13-8Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for the one who loves [g]his neighbor has fulfilled the Law. 9For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 10Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the Law.

As to the Sabbath day - also expanded- Sabbath rest is daily now when we rest from our works. Heb 4
If someone prefers to hold one day above another- that's fine and we should never judge over that, but it will not earn righteousness.
Gathering with other believers is always good any day! Even when 2 or more are gathered in his name- Jesus is there among us.
Colossians 2:16-17
Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a feast, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. / These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ.

Hebrews 4:9-10
There remains, then, a Sabbath rest for the people of God. For whoever enters God’s rest also rests from his own work, just as God did from His.

Ok, so I see you give more importance to what Paul, a mere servant, teached than the clear words of Christ, the son of God, one with God?

 

[PS95]

Ok, so I see you give more importance to what Paul, a mere servant, teached than the clear words of Christ, the son of God, one with God?

I see that they all agree. You disregard Paul. By doing so, you also reject the one who sent him. Be careful there.

 

[LoveYeshua]

You are Blind! Those who follow paul only disregard jesus, they are not even aware of what he was teaching!

 

[PS95]

LoveYeshua said:
You are Blind! Those who follow paul only disregard jesus, they are not even aware of what he was teaching!

Hang on there with your nasty accusations- when did I ever say that I ONLY follow PAUL? I never said that. Please don't put your words in my mouth. I said Paul does not disagree with the Lord. You say he does. Paul did not lie. That's slander. Now you went and broke a commandment?
I will ask this of you though- go thru and read my posts on this thread. You have never addressed a single point or scripture. All you have done on here is is manage to tell me that Paul lied.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Hang on there with your nasty accusations- when did I ever say that I ONLY follow PAUL? I never said that. Please don't put your words in my mouth. I said Paul does not disagree with the Lord. You say he does. Paul did not lie. That's slander. Now you went and broke a commandment?
I will ask this of you though- go thru and read my posts on this thread. You have never addressed a single point or scripture. All you have done on here is is manage to tell me that Paul lied.

I gave scripture as proof ! they are not accusations but the truth! Yes paul was teaching something else" HIS OWN GOSPEL "

if you see no difference you do not Follow Jesus, you would have seen the difference in the gospels but you are BLIND!

He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn—and I would heal them.” – John 12:40

I produced the verses ,the scriptural proof of the difference the gospel of Paul was teaching, It falls short , Short of the Gospel of Christ that you have forgotten! you prefer the easy way that leads to perdition so be it!
you provided nothing to prove me wrong because you cannot and you are mad of having been duped. Get over it and Follow Christ like you are supposed to.

Repent the Kingdom of Heaven id at Hand!