The "Obama" Antichrist Dreams, Part 1

[Dave Watchman]

Chapter and verse for that one please.

He's talking about Alexanders four generals from Daniel 8. But it's not about Alexander's four generals anymore. A gear gets shifted, and the subject matter changes. Poor Ronald, bless his heart. I wish I could help you old boys out with this. I know this one, it was revealed to me when listening to Mick Jagger sing sympathy for the Devil. This is about the Antichrist, this is about Satan falling like lightning from heaven. Sometimes the bad guys know more about this stuff than the Christians. Jesus talked about the wise manager in Luke 16:

"For the sons of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own generation than the sons of light.​

Daniel 8 is talking about earthly kings, then the subject changes to a non-earthly king that comes from heaven, he comes from one of the four winds of heaven. "Out of one of them", the "them' is one of the four winds of heaven".

8The goat became very great, but at the height of its power the large horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up toward the four winds of heaven.​

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9Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land. 10It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. 11It set itself up to be as great as the commander of the army of the Lord; it took away the daily sacrifice from the Lord, and his sanctuary was thrown down. 12Because of rebellion, the Lord’s people a and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.​

This is from the NIV which also starts a new paragraph. The four generals grew up to the four winds of heaven. Then out of one of THEM, the four winds of heaven, came another horn. This is Satan, the Antichrist. To the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land (which is west). Because out from one of them comes the little horn, the Antichrist.

This shift in the subject matter is also reinforced by direction. Now our focus has shifted to direction, toward the south, toward the east, and toward the glorious land which is west. That means he comes from the north wind of Heaven, the dragon was cast out from "one of them". Now is the time for the god of this world to be cast out. And he was.

This means he comes from the North wind of heaven, which also means destruction. He is the Destroyer. Apollyon and and Abaddon. In Hebrew and Greek his name means Destroyer. The Son of Perdition, the Son of Destruction. Read what he does starting at verse 10. No human man ever could do that. It's the same thing as Revelation 12 when the Dragon's tail His tail knocked down a third of the angels of heaven, swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. This is talking about Satan. The Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Some think the Antichrist has to be an Assyrian. The Bible calls him the Assyrian. It's symbolic language for the king of the north, the king of destruction. It's the same thing as the drying up of the great river Euphrates. Assyria is to the north of Israel. Destruction always come from the north.

Destruction comes from the North

The drying up of the great river Euphrates is also symbolic for destruction coming from out of the north, the north wind of heaven. It's the same concept as Daniel 8's "four winds of Heaven". Out from one of them came a little horn. To the south and to the east and to the glorious land which is west. That means he came from the north. Assyria is to the north of Israel. Bad guys come from the "north".

The Euphrates river was a large natural encumbrance preventing invading armies from the north coming down into Israel. Find all the OT verses referring to Divine destruction coming down from the north. Nebuchadnezzar is a fine example of destruction which came down from the north and wiped out Jerusalem.

"For I am bringing disaster from the north, even terrible destruction." Set up the banner in Zion: come together, do not delay: for I bring evil from the north wind,​

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"Then the LORD said, "This means destruction will break out from the north on all .. cry, O city; Melt away, O Philistia, all of you; For smoke comes from the north, ..​

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"Egypt is like a very fair heifer, but destruction cometh; it cometh out of the north.​

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"Then the LORD said to me, "Out of the north the evil will break forth on all the inhabitants of the land.​

And notice during a time of restoration God removes the northerner:

“I will remove the northerner far from you, and drive him into a parched and desolate land, his vanguard into the eastern sea,​

When the Euphrates river dries up the way is made for destruction to come down from out of the north. This is Divinely mandated destruction, not a natural or man made event.

Has the Ocean lost it's way?

The sea that the composite beast rises from in Revelation 13 isn't an actual named ocean. It's like Led Zeppelin's song "The Ocean". It's where Robert Plant could look out at a crowd of thousands of people, and they just looked like a sea of people. Singing to an ocean, I can hear the ocean roar. I used to sing on the mountains, has the ocean lost it's way.

The angel defines the waters, the sea, as many nations, and peoples, and tongues. It's like how the people of the world will vote their political leaders into office. A sea that represents many peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues. This sea symbolizes the populous and diverse regions of the world, indicating that the beast emerges from a developed and densely populated area. According to Revelation 17, "The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." This interpretation aligns with the idea that the beast originates from a region where many different groups of people reside.

This list I got from a Time Magazine page that's been removed. This is a glimpse, an example, of the composite beast in action. How the composite beast has risen from the many nations and peoples and tongues of the earth.

This is what the Dragon, the Antichrist, the King of the North, has given his power, and his throne, and his great authority to now. But this time the crowns on our present day composite beast have been moved from the seven heads, the religious authority, to the ten horns, the governmental authority of the sea beast. Who can make war with it.

A list of the first 21 nations to legalize same sex marriage:

1) The Netherlands (2000)
2) Belgium (2003)
3) Canada (2005)
4) Spain (2005)
5) South Africa (2006)
6) Norway (2009)
7) Sweden (2009)
8) Argentina (2010)
9) Iceland (2010)
10) Portugal (2010)
11) Denmark (2012)
12) Brazil (2013)
13) England and Wales (2013)
14) France (2013)
15) New Zealand (2013)
16) Uruguay (2013)
17) Luxembourg (2014)
18) Scotland (2014)
19) Finland: (signed 2015, effective 2017)
20) Ireland: (2015)
21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->Sun/Moon

21) United States: (2015)<-------1290 Days------->EofW

What you are seeing here is evidence of a feat that could not be accomplished my a single mortal man. This is the Little Horn, the Stern Faced King, Satan, rising up to the place of God's Sanctuary, the Man of Sin taking his seat in the Temple of God and claiming to be God. This is his interaction through people, and their world leaders. This is the composite beast rising from the many nations and peoples and tongues.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[The Light]

I'm writing a book right now, not for profit, but to give away, but only in the book.

Makes sense. Hope you move like mega fast. There is not much time.

 

[The Light]

This is my actual calling of 40 years, you know me from other sites, mainly Worthy, as I have stated before, of course its only about the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR) and nothing else, the 7 Heads (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome prove this. Nothing in those 7 Heads were ever about Nimrod, he lived at the time just after the flood, not when Babylon conquered Israel in 587 BC.

You need to reevaluate. You say the seven heads are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome. First off, you have listed only six and not seven. Secondly, why would you list these countries when the seven heads are 7 mountains where the woman sits. You are starting off on the wrong trail from the get-go. The seven heads are 7 mountains - FACT. We are looking for 7 kings not 7 countries. Nimrod is the first king.

Revelation 17

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

You need to get on the right trail. We are not looking for countries or empires we are looking for 7 kings.

you see he has to be born is Greece, its not a question, Dan. 8:9 mandates this.

The little horn is not a Greek. He needs to come out of the Greek empire. Nimrod comes out of Iraq. Check your map. It's in that empire.

Daniel 8
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

He also has to be born in the 10 kings (10 simply = COMPLETION) region, and that means a Greek man is also born in the E.U. which are the 10 (Complete) kings/powers that come together to reform Europe,

You are on the wrong trail again. The 10 kings have nothing to do with Europe. The 10 kings are 10 kings of a world empire. I can't process how you have come to think that no man being able to buy or sell is about the EU. This is a world empire that will come. You are taking yourself off the trail with your incorrect conclusion of COMPLETION. Stick with the Biblical facts and skip making conclusions that are in error. Stay on the trail.

 

[The Light]

This is in error my friend, and men do not come back to life, even in witchcraft.

Ever heard of cloning? In 2003 the tomb of Gilgamesh was discovered. Gilgamesh is Nimrod. Right after that it was announced that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. We went to war immediately. We didn't find those weapons of mass destruction. We did go straight to the tomb of Gilgamesh and to the Iraqi Museum. We took 1000's of ancient artifacts and tablets. Not all were returned.

How many mummy movies do they have to make until you realize Satan's plan?

The King of the Bottomless Pit is a Demon who it CLEARLY SAYS was of the 7, and is an 8th,

Gilgamesh is said to be one third man and 2/3 god. 66.6%.........The number of a man.

God then locked up Apollyon in the Bottomless Pit during the duration of the Church Age.

Apollyon, Apollo, Osiris...........Nimrod.

The Mortal Wound is not to a man, its unto a Nation,

Revelation 13
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Apollyon is the 8th King, he has NO CROWNS on this earth because he is NOT A HUMAN RULER/King, and because in the Spiritual Realm Satan is over this World, thus he has the 7 CROWNS, but really he is over every Kingdom on this earth as he told us in Luke 4 while tempting Jesus, thus the 7 designates that story to only be about the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR). The 8th King was OF THE 7 (a Demon) and he comes up out of the bottomless pit, and he kills the Two-witnesses, and his name is Apollyon, the Scarlet Colored Beast is not the Red Dragon of Rev. 12.

Apollyon is the 8th king and is of the 7 kings. Nimrod is the 1st king.

Ecclesiastes 1
9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

No, you have just fallen in with the modern day thought patterns. Its the WHOE EARTH being spoken about, the MSR, only. We will see 1/3 of the world on fire, think the New World, thus the USA are not a part of anything end times except Judgment, which falls of course after the Pre Trib. Rapture during the 70th week. No one man is ruling over China nor Russia, what do you think the BAD NEWS is from the North and the East in Daniel 11:40-45 ? Its Russia and China reminding him they have Nukes after he conquers the whole MSR. Satan and Apollyon's JOB 1 is to destroy Every Jew On This Earth. Why would he need to conquer the whole world?

How do you not know that a one world government is coming? How do you not know that no man will be able to buy nor sell without the mark of the beast? You have jumped on the wrong trail with both feet and are stuck.

So, this End Time Anti-Christ/Little Horn/Beast has to come from the CONFINES of this area above and nowhere else.

You got that right. He comes from Iraq. Christ warns the Jews. He tells the Jews that the Messiah will come as lightning from the east to the west. Don't believe them when they say the Messiah is in the desert, in the secret burial chamber.

Matthew 24
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

So, he is born in Cassander or Greece, which is in the E.U. and he conquers in WHAT DIRECTION? Towards the East (discounts him being from Turkey) and towards the South (discounts Egypt) and towards Israel, so he can only come from the Northwest Corridor of the Four Generals in this Inter Kingdom Battle via the "7th Syrian War".

Nimrod is the king of Babylon, the Assyrian. Most of the false religions of the world are based on the Babylonian religion. The Babylonian religion is based on Nimrod, Semiramis - the queen of heaven and Tammuz.

Ezekiel 5
13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the Lord's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

You simply are all over the place on this brother, I remember when you used to be a Pr Trib. Rapture guy and thought to myself how can he get that one thing right and be in error on so many other things, then I think you changed on that also.

I do believe in the pre trib rapture for the Church, which means I believe the Church will be raptured before the beginning of the great tribulation. I also believe there will be a rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth AT THE 6TH SEAL, before the wrath of God.

The 144,000 is proof that there will be a harvest or rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth. It will occur at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets.

You make too many false conclusions such as the COMPLETION conclusion. It takes you off the trail.....totally.
Another false conclusion that you have made is that the 144,000 represent all of Israel. You attempt to solve a problem that needs no solving. The answer is already given. The 144,000 are exactly what the Word of God says they are. They are 144,000 male virgins from 12 tribes that will be first fruits of the coming harvest.......the SECOND RAPTURE.

There is Biblical proof that the 144,000 cannot be all of Israel as they are raptured from the earth as first fruits and are in heaven in Revelation 14. This disproves your conclusion that the 144,000 are all of Israel.

You have jumped off the trail with so many false conclusions that you are stuck in a quagmire. The time is very, very, very short. Shorter than you realize.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

You need to reevaluate.

I have been reevaluating you with every change you have made over the year on doctrine. SMILE

You say the seven heads are Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome. First off, you have listed only six and not seven.

I named the 6 from history proving Nimrod was not one of them, how could Nimrod come against Israel as a Beast when there was no Israel? And of course the 7th has not yet come, is there really a need t name the Anti-Christ as the 7th head? Come on, be real.

Secondly, why would you list these countries when the seven heads are 7 mountains where the woman sits. You are starting off on the wrong trail from the get-go. The seven heads are 7 mountains - FACT. We are looking for 7 kings not 7 countries. Nimrod is the first king.

Well sir, this proves prophesy must not be your calling, its all good, we can all dabble, but God only calls a few select to each field. The 7 Mountains are SEVEN POWERS meaning Nations, we know this because FIVE HAVE FALLEN..........ONE IS (Rome) and ONE IS YET TO COME (Little Horn/AC/Beast). There is not 7 Mountains or Hills that are in one place, God does this for one key reason, in the ay God delivers this message, He points out that ONLY ONE MAN becomes the Beast and never passes his Kingdom on to another person, thus the Last Beast is not a Kingdom per se but ONE MAN, hence the 666 designation, thus the Anti-Christ MAN HIMSELF is called the Beast as Rev. 13 shows us, as Rev. 19:20 and Dan. 7:11 shows us, thus mans BODY will be DESTROYED and he along with the False Prophet will be cast straight into hellfire, after he dies, but is never allowed to sleep/rest like the rest of the Wicked Dead who are raised at the 2nd Resurrection 1000 years later, thus he alone is THE BEAST, no earthly "kingdom" can be cast inti hell.

Now why does God give us 7 Kings? He's giving us a STARTING POINT where scriptures show each Beast Kingdom started out as only a BEAST MAN, just like the AC. (Watch this)

Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Now let us think as God thinks, since scriptures tell us how He thinks on subjects. God sees every Beast Kingdom as being started by ONE MAN right? BOOM, this answers why God told us thee were 7 KINGS and 7 MOUNTAINS in Rev. 17. He wants us to understand that the Last Beast is ONE MAN who will never die naturally, Jesus will slay him, as Dan. 8 shows, WITHOUT HANDS and thus he will only rule 42 months as the MAN BEAST, having never become a Kingdom Beast because he never passes his kingdom on to another person.

You need to get on the right trail. We are not looking for countries or empires we are looking for 7 kings.

I will add a couple of verse to what you quoted. Then explain it verse by verse.

Rev. 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition(A Demon was over these nations, he is locked in the Pit, he will be released to join the 7th Beast, then he will be placed in hellfire, SIMPLE STUFF, don't overcomplicate it with Nimrod and such): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is(Apollyon, we know Satan never gets locked in the pit unto the 1000 year reign, people naming men just do not understand prophesy imho, MEN LIVE ONCE AND ARE JUDGED).

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom(Encoded message incoming). The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth(The Harlot Woman = ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time, of course she has been in EVERY COUNTRY on earth since time began, again, keep it simple).

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen(HELLO? How can 5 Mountains have fallen if this is ONE CITY somewhere? A Mountain is used in the bible as a power nation, built, OF COURSE on High Ground as was the case in those days) , and one is(Rome was THE STANDNG POWER at that the time John wrote the great book of Revelation), and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (42 Months)

11 And the beast that was(Apollyon), and is not (now in the pit), even he is the eighth(as in OVER Israel, why? Because Satan gave him the Mediterranean Sea Region to rule over on earth, and his JOB 1 was to Destroy Israel), and is of the seven (a Demon, not Nimrod or any man), and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns(Complete E.U. Revived as Revived Rome) which thou sawest are ten kings(Remember Dan. 2? There were MANY NATIONS trying to be ONE, some Great and some Small, but they would not cleave unto each other very well thus they were designated by God as Iron & Clay), which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour (42 months) with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast(He does not Conquer the E.U. Nations, they vote him in, freely giving him his POWER BASE).

So, you are all over the place brother on this, firstly NO MAN lives twice, secondly as I showed in Dan. 7. all of the Kings THEMSELVES started out as The Beasts, the Beast Kingdom only came around when the original Beast died, ad since Jesus slays the 666 Beast without hands, that was given unto us so we cam understand that the LAST BEAST is a Man, not a Nation. However the 8th King is a Demon named Apollyon, he is the Scarlet Colored Beast, thus there is NO CROWNS on the 7 Heads or the 10 Horns. He is not over the E.U. (10) as a Human Being, the AC is, however Apollyon is OF THE SEVEN and thus OF THE Anti-Christ, but not as the Ruler/King of the air, or spiritual realm, that falls to Satan the Red Dragon. Thus his only Kingdom is over the Bottomless Pit, as Rev. 9 shows us. How in the world did you ever get that Nimrod as a Human would ever outrank a Demonic Spiritual Being? The would laugh at him.

The little horn is not a Greek. He needs to come out of the Greek empire. Nimrod comes out of Iraq. Check your map. It's in that empire.

Daniel 8
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Nimrod is a non starter brother. The Little Horn finishes up the Syrian Wars, there has been 6, this will be the 7th (Divine Completion). And he was given us this in Dan. 8:9 to PINPOINT the Direction this last east conquers from, Gd simplifies it with a Four Directional War, then tells us where he conquers from, it gets no simpler than that, then we carry THAT HUGE CLUE into Daniel 11, and we this see the Last Syrian War in Dan. 11:40-43.

You are on the wrong trail again. The 10 kings have nothing to do with Europe. The 10 kings are 10 kings of a world empire. I can't process how you have come to think that no man being able to buy or sell is about the EU. This is a world empire that will come. You are taking yourself off the trail with your incorrect conclusion of COMPLETION. Stick with the Biblical facts and skip making conclusions that are in error. Stay on the trail.

I am correct, tht is all that matters. We know 1/3 of the World is BURNING, ever take that into account as the New World burning? Then you refuse to admit Dan. 2 says Greece was also going to rule the WHOLE WORLD, you guys always dodge this but your A-1 Job as a Christian is to come tom the TRUTH brother. So, that EARTH which is being spoken about is ONLY the Region around the Mediterranean Sea. If he CONQUEED EVERYONE who is the Bad Tidings from the East and North from in Dan. 11:44? If he conquered everyone why does Jesus say NO FLESH would be left if he did not intervene after 42 months? Because he would get in a Nuclear War with China & Russia. You not understanding no man is going to rule the whole world makes me wary of your opinions brother. Heck, God Himself has to wipe out BUST BODY USA in order to allow the AC to even conquer Israel and THE MANY in the MSR.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Ever heard of cloning? In 2003 the tomb of Gilgamesh was discovered. Gilgamesh is Nimrod. Right after that it was announced that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. We went to war immediately. We didn't find those weapons of mass destruction. We did go straight to the tomb of Gilgamesh and to the Iraqi Museum. We took 1000's of ancient artifacts and tablets. Not all were returned.

How many mummy movies do they have to make until you realize Satan's plan?

You could clone every human bone in existence, that same Spirit is bot going to return to that "cloned body". This is why men "appear to scientists" to be 100k years old, but is only 6000 or so years old, because mankind were only Created in Genesis when God placed His spirit into us, thus creating Human Beings who have life eternal, either in Heaven or in Hell (which means a separation from God in reality)

Gilgamesh is said to be one third man and 2/3 god. 66.6%.........The number of a man.

I do not follow tall tales from legend by men, I instead follow the holy word of God only.

Apollyon, Apollo, Osiris...........Nimrod.

Apollyon is a Demon in Greek, in Hebrew his name is Abaddon.

Revelation 13
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

And like most you fail to see the bigger picture here, this is about an IMAGINARY SEVEN HEADED BEAST, that is spoken about over Israel lifespan. The False Prophet indeed preforms miracles just like those preformed by the Egyptians against Moses miracles, probably fake miracles, and he places the IMAGE of this man up in the temple (this should prove to you, if one thinks it through, that the 1290 is not the AC but is instead the False Prophet it says so in that very verse you quoted). However, the Mortal Wound was to Rome, this is why we get the Leopard (Greece), Bear(Persia) and Lion (Babylon) mentioned, but no Rome per se, because that Beast Rome is what led to the Beast System going back under the Sea for nigh 2000 years (well 1700 yrs in a way) during the Church Age. It can only be HEALED by the AC Conquering Israel and THE MANY (MSR).

Where you go off kilter here is you fail to understand the bigger picture here is about a 7 HEADED IMAGINARY BEAST spread out over 2500 plus years, THAT 7 HEADED BEAST suffered the Mortal Wound when Rome fell. It NEVER TALKS about ONE BEAST, its a Conglomerate Lot of 7 Heads !!

Apollyon is the 8th king and is of the 7 kings. Nimrod is the 1st king.

Nimrod is a nothing burger in Prophesy my brother.

How do you not know that a one world government is coming? How do you not know that no man will be able to buy nor sell without the mark of the beast? You have jumped on the wrong trail with both feet and are stuck.

Its very easy, I read the bible, pray, and ask God to show me His truths, I lay off of Men's Traditions. The truth is, its very east to understand this is not going to be a One World Gov. that is pure man made traditions, every Beast has a purpose, to bring Israel unto repentance via God and to wipe out Israel via Satan. God regathers all the Jews to Israel on purpose. The AC will not be a world wide Gov. He will be REVIVED ROME, thus the two maps I showed earlier/below MATCH TO A TEE, for a reason.




The E.U. Anti-Christ conquers Israel and THE MANY in the MSR and thus the Beast is Revived exactly as it left off, just like the Iron (Rome) is mixed with the Clay (Many nations becoming one but not fitting well because they have been separated for so long). Only when this happens in Dan. 11:40-43 does the Wounded Beast with 7 Heads (not ONE HEAD) live again. It doesn't take a ONE WORLD GOV. for Satan or God to achieve their goals (or for Satan to "TRY" and achieve his goals). Jesus is the PERFECT EXAMPLE of LESS IS MORE, he only came to the lost sheep of Israel for a reason, he only needed get a set of Disciples to Evangelize Israel and Asia Minor, trying to have a ONE WORLD MINISTRY would have been a detriment God's goals.

You got that right. He comes from Iraq. Christ warns the Jews. He tells the Jews that the Messiah will come as lightning from the east to the west. Don't believe them when they say the Messiah is in the desert, in the secret burial chamber.

Matthew 24
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Matt. 24:26 is about where Jesus WILL NOT BE COMING FROM, a Storeroom or the Wilderness/Desert, but ONLY FROM the Eastern Skies as the next few verses say. Thus no Christians can ever be deceived.

He is an Assyrian by BLOOD ONLY, meaning he can be born in Greece as Dan. 8:9 MANDATES which is in the E.U. as Dan. 7:7-8 MANDATES.

Nimrod is the king of Babylon, the Assyrian. Most of the false religions of the world are based on the Babylonian religion. The Babylonian religion is based on Nimrod, Semiramis - the queen of heaven and Tammuz.

Nope, Nimrod is not the AC. Period.

I do believe in the pre trib rapture for the Church, which means I believe the Church will be raptured before the beginning of the great tribulation. I also believe there will be a rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth AT THE 6TH SEAL, before the wrath of God.

The 6th Seal does nothing except opens up one of 7 Seals that bind up the Scrolls containing the Wrath of God (DOTL). The 12 Tribes of Israel will rule with Christ for 1000 years, as will the Gentile Martyrs wiyh Glorious Bodies (see Rev. 20:4) but we the Church WILL NOT BE HERE. w will be in Heaven, doing other chores. lie finishing off the New Jerusalem that descends, why else would it be called the Bride of Christ as it descends? God's Wrath only starts in Rev. 8 when the 7th Seal is opened up.

The 144,000 is proof that there will be a harvest or rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth. It will occur at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets.

The 144,000 is a CODE for ALL Israel who repents, as in 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel, not an actual 144,000 people, we know it has to be 1/3 who repent, not 144,000 and not all males, just as the 10 Virgin Brides are NOT REALLY all female, and are actually representing billions of Christians. The LAST TRUMP is Pre Trib. and ends the Harvest Season. Israel (Wheat) will grow together with the Wicked Tares until the 2nd coming (THE END).

Another false conclusion that you have made is that the 144,000 represent all of Israel. You attempt to solve a problem that needs no solving. The answer is already given. The 144,000 are exactly what the Word of God says they are. They are 144,000 male virgins from 12 tribes that will be first fruits of the coming harvest.......the SECOND RAPTURE.

I understand prophesy, its my calling, I am not just playing around the edges like most brother.

 

[The Light]

I have been reevaluating you with every change you have made over the year on doctrine. SMILE

Yes. I change as I learn. Whereas it appears that you are stuck in things that you learned 20 years ago which are incorrect. If you can prove me wrong with scripture, I am happy to change my views.

I have proven that the 144,000 are not "all of Israel", as you claim. The 144,000 are redeemed from the earth as first fruits. How can all of Israel be removed from the earth at the time of Revelation 14? They can't. You are in error and refuse to change.

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

How can you possibly understand the Word of God when you don't believe what is written? The Word is clear. The 144,000 are male virgins, 12,000 from each tribe that become first fruits. But you charge on in blind ignorance, providing an answer when there is no question. The answer is to accept what is written, not make something up.

I named the 6 from history proving Nimrod was not one of them, how could Nimrod come against Israel as a Beast when there was no Israel? And of course the 7th has not yet come, is there really a need t name the Anti-Christ as the 7th head? Come on, be real.

There are 7 kings, and Nimrod was the first king.

Please provide scriptural support for your contention that these kings come against Israel. What's the chapter and verse?

The 7 Mountains are SEVEN POWERS meaning Nations, we know this because FIVE HAVE FALLEN..........ONE IS (Rome) and ONE IS YET TO COME (Little Horn/AC/Beast). There is not 7 Mountains or Hills that are in one place,

Off the trail you go again. Providing an answer when there is no question. You say the 7 mountains are seven powers, meaning nations. The Word says that the woman sits on seven mountains. As usual, I'm going to have to go with what the Word says.

Revelation 1
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Now why does God give us 7 Kings? He's giving us a STARTING POINT where scriptures show each Beast Kingdom started out as only a BEAST MAN, just like the AC. (Watch this)

Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Now let us think as God thinks, since scriptures tell us how He thinks on subjects. God sees every Beast Kingdom as being started by ONE MAN right?

Right, the first king was Nimrod.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen(HELLO? How can 5 Mountains have fallen if this is ONE CITY somewhere? A Mountain is used in the bible as a power nation, built, OF COURSE on High Ground as was the case in those days) , and one is(Rome was THE STANDNG POWER at that the time

I don't see anything that says the mountains have fallen. I see that 5 kings have fallen.

I also see you have fallen off the trail. You are looking for fallen mountains when you should be looking for fallen kings.

11 And the beast that was(Apollyon), and is not (now in the pit), even he is the eighth(as in OVER Israel, why? Because Satan gave him the Mediterranean Sea Region to rule over on earth, and his JOB 1 was to Destroy Israel), and is of the seven (a Demon, not Nimrod or any man), and goeth into perdition.

Nimrod began to be a mighty man a gibbor.

12 And the ten horns(Complete E.U. Revived as Revived Rome) which thou sawest are ten kings

The 10 kings are a world empire not the E.U.

No man (on earth) can buy or sell without the mark of the beast

Nimrod is a non starter brother. The Little Horn finishes up the Syrian Wars, there has been 6, this will be the 7th (Divine Completion). And he was given us this in Dan. 8:9 to PINPOINT the Direction this last east conquers from, Gd simplifies it with a Four Directional War, then tells us where he conquers from, it gets no simpler than that, then we carry THAT HUGE CLUE into Daniel 11, and we this see the Last Syrian War in Dan. 11:40-43.

You are confused. Daniel 11 is not talking about the little horn. Daniel 11 is talking about the rider on the white horse, the seventh king.

Then you refuse to admit Dan. 2 says Greece was also going to rule the WHOLE WORLD,

Can you show what post you are talking about?

If he conquered everyone why does Jesus say NO FLESH would be left if he did not intervene after 42 months? Because he would get in a Nuclear War with China & Russia.

The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs AT THE 6TH SEAL as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. This is a rapture, the second rapture. This is the gathering from heaven and earth. It is the 12 tribes across the earth that are gathered from the earth and the Church is gathered from heaven. The 144,000 are the first fruits of this harvest.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

When Jesus shortens the great tribulation, He says if He does not, no flesh would be saved. THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS OVER AT THE 6TH SEAL. If it is not shortened there would be no BELIEVERS raptured alive. All believers would be killed and would have to come out of the graves.

Matthew 24
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The beginning of understanding the book of Revelation is understanding that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the 7th seal is the wrath of God. The great tribulation is not the wrath of God.

You not understanding no man is going to rule the whole world makes me wary of your opinions brother. Heck, God Himself has to wipe out BUST BODY USA in order to allow the AC to even conquer Israel and THE MANY in the MSR.

The 10 kings are a world empire. They are not the European Union. This misunderstanding has been going on for some time. I remember when the 10th country was added to the E.U. They were supposed to be the 10 kings. There are now 27 countries in the E.U.

Opinions.........such as there are two raptures, are not opinions if supported by the Word of God.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Yes. I change as I learn. Whereas it appears that you are stuck in things that you learned 20 years ago which are incorrect. If you can prove me wrong with scripture, I am happy to change my views.

That is pretty lame, since I have repeated over and over why I now see things much different than I used to, but its not MENS TRADAITIONS which you repeat over and over, its just the opposite.

I prayed to the Lord asking Him why is it that there can only be one answer, but the Church has 100's of different understanding about who the Harlot is, who the Beasts are, who the 144,000 are who Babylon is, when in truth there can only be one correct answer" AND I GOT THIS REPLY from the Holy Spirit.

Ron, you guys already know it all. That is when I knew I had to start doing just as I had with the Gospels as a young Christian and as I read, I needed to pray and ask God with ANYTHING, especially on things that were contradictory, whereas there were many different understandings, I would simply say Lord show me what this means, and of course He always does. You shift with the wind for no good reason it seems to me

I have proven that the 144,000 are not "all of Israel", as you claim. The 144,000 are redeemed from the earth as first fruits. How can all of Israel be removed from the earth at the time of Revelation 14? They can't. You are in error and refuse to change.

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

How can you possibly understand the Word of God when you don't believe what is written? The Word is clear. The 144,000 are male virgins, 12,000 from each tribe that become first fruits. But you charge on in blind ignorance, providing an answer when there is no question. The answer is to accept what is written, not make something up.

Do you believe there is a SEVEN HEADED BEAST? Does all God's Judgments come in ONE DAY or in ONE HOUR? Or in 1260 days? Is the Woman in Rev. 12 really a Woman or is it Israel? Do the 10 Virgins Brides mean that only 10 Virgins are going to make it into heaven? This is where you will of course dodge everything. Why even put that question forth? You know full well that the bible is full of Symmetry, Codes, Metaphors and Euphemisms and especially in the Book of Revelation.

So, you can understand the 1 Virgin Brides = a STAND IN for Billions of Christians in Christendom, but you CANNOT understand that the exact same thing can be done by God for Israel? And with Israel, it makes far more sense to have a code, so Satan will not have the information and 2000 plus yeas to plan for his war on the Jewish peoples in the end times. Do you REALLY THINK God is going to give Satan this info ahead of time? In Zech. 13:8-9 why does God say 1/3 of Israel will repent brother Light? Because God is not going to give him that info ahead of time, God is too intelligent to do that, so He gives us a RATIO of 1/3 which could be anything from 1 of 3 or 2 of 6 of 5 million of 15 million etc. Likewise he is not giving Satan the actual number of Jews in the end times, he gives him AN OBVIOUS CODE !!! You can understand 10 means Complete Christendom but you can not understand he code about Israel. NO EXCUSES brother.

Anyone should be able to see and understand God never gives us full numbers, He gives us codes. The number 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness and you think God is going to actually chose only 144,000 VIRGIN MEN, are you kidding? God lets each man chose for himself Heaven or Hell. We get to chose, not God, He chooses us ALL but we REJECT Him. Quit with these excuses for why you can't see what I have shown you for many years now, you know this wipes out your beliefs so therefore you CANNOT SEE IT. Its that simple my brother in Christ.

There are 7 kings, and Nimrod was the first king.

Please provide scriptural support for your contention that these kings come against Israel. What's the chapter and verse?

Nimrod has nothing to do with this passage at all. These are the 7 Beasts God placed over Israel, whereas Daniel only speaks of 5 (the Little Horn is the 5th that arose out of the Fourth, who comes back in the Fourth Beasts landmass, but he really is a 5th because he's only a MAN) of the 7 but if you woud just adit this, God shows us who they are in Rev. 13.........COME ON Brother.

He calls one a Leopard, one a Bear and one a Lion, so these 7 were HISTORICAL BEASTS, all except for the coming Anti-Christ. Israel was formed in Egypt basically, so Egypt had to be the first Beast, Assyria was the 2nd Beast then we get Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome......and we will soon see the Little Horn/AC/Beast arising again, healing the mortal wound of Rome.

Nowhere is anything ever about Nimrod.

Off the trail you go again. Providing an answer when there is no question. You say the 7 mountains are seven powers, meaning nations. The Word says that the woman sits on seven mountains. As usual, I'm going to have to go with what the Word says.

Revelation 1
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

Who is THE WOMAN? That's why it is very important to be correct on everything brother. The Harlot Woman is ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time, nothing else. She thus was a part of every one of the first 6 Beast Governments because they all served FALSE GODS !!Thus the Woman rides the back of the Beasts in Rev. 17:7. She was always CO-MINGLED with these Governments, but the last Beast and his 10 Kings (E.U.) seek to killer her off, but why? Because he will demand to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! There is now no place in his kingdom from Witchcraft, Zeus, Jupiter, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism et al. This he FORBIDS ALL WORSHIPING of ANY GODS (kills her off) except himself.

False Region (THINK) is in every country around the whole world, and has been since the beginning. So, False Religion was CO-MINGLED with every Gov. Beast from Egypt, to Babylon to Rome. The Short Space is merely 42 months of rule.

Right, the first king was Nimrod.

No, there was no Israel to BEAST OVER, God is giving us 7 Kings/Kingdoms over Israel, if it were only Beast Kingdoms of Great Power, then the British, the USA, The Ottoman Empire etc. would have to be included and it would be 100s or 1000s of Beasts. This is all about Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR)

I don't see anything that says the mountains have fallen. I see that 5 kings have fallen.

I also see you have fallen off the trail. You are looking for fallen mountains when you should be looking for fallen kings.

You truly do no grasp prophesy, the 7 mountains represent kingdoms, read the old test. you will see it.

Nimrod began to be a mighty man a gibbor.

I wrote something about Nimrod on Worthy long ago, I think you took it and ran with it and it began to get off centered by you. All I was speaking on is how Satan always FAKED the Triune Godhead in all of his False Religions he set up.

The 10 kings are a world empire not the E.U.

No man (on earth) can buy or sell without the mark of the beast

Where does Dan. 7:7-8 say the 10 Horns arise from? The Fourth Beasts Head, why is this so hard? You allow concepts to overrun factoids brother. NO MAN...........in the TERRITORY HE RULES OVER.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

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You are confused. Daniel 11 is not talking about the little horn. Daniel 11 is talking about the rider on the white horse, the seventh king.

Dan. 11:36-45 is the Little Horn/AC/Beast. PERIOD. The White Horse, the Red Horse, the Black Horse, the Pale Green Horse AND the 5th Seal are all about the Little Horn/AC, he becomes THE BEAST by Conquering Israel and THE MANY in the MSR.

Can you show what post you are talking about?

Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

So, ALL THE EARTH is only about the Mediterranean Sea Region, not the WHOLE EARTH. The parameters is given unto us (Here is where you MISS IT) in the simple 4 Heads and 10 Horns or 7 Heads and 10 Horns which both came up out of the GREAT SEA or the MSR. Its all about ONE REGION, not the whole world.

The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs AT THE 6TH SEAL as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. This is a rapture, the second rapture. This is the gathering from heaven and earth. It is the 12 tribes across the earth that are gathered from the earth and the Church is gathered from heaven. The 144,000 are the first fruits of this harvest.

No, again, you ae all over the place. The 6th Seal FORETELLS the coming Wrath of God that starts with the Trumpet Judgments. Jesus returns at the 7th Vial, which emits from the 7th Trump and is the 3rd Woe. At the 6th Seal NOTHING HAS YET TO HAPPEN, its before Israel flee Judea in Rev. 7, the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8 because unloosing the 7th Seal brings God's Wrath unto the earth in the 7 Trumpet Judgments.

Now I will show why Matt. 24:29-30 confuses you below.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

IMMEDIATLEY AFTER the tribulation [COMES UPON MANKIND] shall the Sun an Moon be Darkened, YES, YES, YES.........Of course after the Asteroid Impact cause 1/3 of the world to burn over a LONG PERIOD OF TIME (not ONE DAY) we see the Sun and Moon dimmed because of all the SMOKE, and because of all the fires the Moon will look BLOOD RED (it is only a hue however from the fires on earth). The Heavens being SHAKEN only means Satan is cast down to earth like UNTIMELY FIGS.

AND THEN...........AND THEN..........Means 1260 days later, just as I will prove in Zech. 14:1-2 where in verse 3 we get a 1260 day JUMP just like between Matt. 24:29 and 30. So, THEN Jesus shows up 1260 days AFTER the Tribulation causes all these conditions via an Asteroid Impact which starts God's Wrath (DOTL) and of course vs. 30 is that 2nd coming of Jesus.

Prophesy has to have JUMPS we can not get day by day and minute by minute prophesies that cover 2000 to 2500 years etc. etc. So, Zech. 14:1-3 shows the exact same JUMP in time below.

Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then(1260 DAYS LATER after Israel is sacked at the 1260 events) shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

In both sets of verses we see the TRIBULATION STARTS via the DOTL, and THEN.......1260 days later, Jesus shows up, all you see in vs. 29 is IMMEDIATELY AFTER and you just assume its speaking about vs. 30 and 31 happening immediately after the tribulation begins, BUT IT IS NOT......its talking about the Sun & Moon going dark IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation of those days start (the Asteroid Impact as seen in Rev. 8 via Trumps 1-4).

When Jesus shortens the great tribulation, He says if He does not, no flesh would be saved. THE GREAT TRIBULATION IS OVER AT THE 6TH SEAL. If it is not shortened there would be no BELIEVERS raptured alive. All believers would be killed and would have to come out of the graves.

He does not SHORTEN THE KNOWN TIMELINE, its still his Prophetic 1260 days. he SHORTENS what would have been 5 years, 10 years or however long the Anti-Christ Beast would have lived in his Natural Life without Jesus returning to kill him. He WILL NOT CHANGE the 1260 day timeline. That is just people not understanding that the 1260 days can (and is) what Jesus was talking about shortening his life span unto only 1260 days as THE BEAST. So, of Jesus kills the AC on his 50th birthday, he might have lived and ruled for another 20 years BUT.........God pre planned him to rule as the Beast for ONLY 1260 days, thus God determined in His heart to SHORTEN THOSE DAYS long ago, and thus the 1260 days is the SHORTENED VERSION we were foretold about to start with. The 6th Seal talk brother is not even a discussion.

The beginning of understanding the book of Revelation is understanding that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the 7th seal is the wrath of God. The great tribulation is not the wrath of God.

I do not even get how a person gets this confused brother. God sent me to enlighten you but you think you already have "The Light" (pun intended).

The 10 kings are a world empire. They are not the European Union. This misunderstanding has been going on for some time. I remember when the 10th country was added to the E.U. They were supposed to be the 10 kings. There are now 27 countries in the E.U.

Opinions.........such as there are two raptures, are not opinions if supported by the Word of God.

The 10 = Complete E.U. if it started with 8, then went to 12, then 19 then 26 or 27, either way God was ALWAYS CORRECT. No one misunderstands anything here brother. You can nit grasp how Gd uses numbers even though He does it throughout the Old Test. and with the 10 Virgin Brides, that's on you brother. There is ONE RAPTURE of the Church, Jesus coming back will rule on earth for 1000 years why would he need to Rapture people up to meet him to come straight back down? He will, raise the Martyrs and the Jews in Christ who died during the 70th week (not many since the Flee to the Petra area) and he will, raise the Saints of old like Daniel to rule with him from Jerusalem for 1000 years. The only 2nd Resurrection is of the Wicked 1000 years later.

God Bless my friend. Get with it, quit going down cul-de-sacs.

 

[The Light]

You could clone every human bone in existence, that same Spirit is bot going to return to that "cloned body". This is why men "appear to scientists" to be 100k years old, but is only 6000 or so years old, because mankind were only Created in Genesis when God placed His spirit into us, thus creating Human Beings who have life eternal, either in Heaven or in Hell (which means a separation from God in reality)


I do not follow tall tales from legend by men, I instead follow the holy word of God only.


Apollyon is a Demon in Greek, in Hebrew his name is Abaddon.


And like most you fail to see the bigger picture here, this is about an IMAGINARY SEVEN HEADED BEAST, that is spoken about over Israel lifespan. The False Prophet indeed preforms miracles just like those preformed by the Egyptians against Moses miracles, probably fake miracles, and he places the IMAGE of this man up in the temple (this should prove to you, if one thinks it through, that the 1290 is not the AC but is instead the False Prophet it says so in that very verse you quoted). However, the Mortal Wound was to Rome, this is why we get the Leopard (Greece), Bear(Persia) and Lion (Babylon) mentioned, but no Rome per se, because that Beast Rome is what led to the Beast System going back under the Sea for nigh 2000 years (well 1700 yrs in a way) during the Church Age. It can only be HEALED by the AC Conquering Israel and THE MANY (MSR).

Where you go off kilter here is you fail to understand the bigger picture here is about a 7 HEADED IMAGINARY BEAST spread out over 2500 plus years, THAT 7 HEADED BEAST suffered the Mortal Wound when Rome fell. It NEVER TALKS about ONE BEAST, its a Conglomerate Lot of 7 Heads !!


Nimrod is a nothing burger in Prophesy my brother.


Its very easy, I read the bible, pray, and ask God to show me His truths, I lay off of Men's Traditions. The truth is, its very east to understand this is not going to be a One World Gov. that is pure man made traditions, every Beast has a purpose, to bring Israel unto repentance via God and to wipe out Israel via Satan. God regathers all the Jews to Israel on purpose. The AC will not be a world wide Gov. He will be REVIVED ROME, thus the two maps I showed earlier/below MATCH TO A TEE, for a reason. View attachment 64251

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The E.U. Anti-Christ conquers Israel

There is no EU antichrist.

Matt. 24:26 is about where Jesus WILL NOT BE COMING FROM, a Storeroom or the Wilderness/Desert, but ONLY FROM the Eastern Skies as the next few verses say. Thus no Christians can ever be deceived.

Jesus says this because the King of Babylon who is the Assyrian will come from the secret burial chamber. He gives them a specific warning that this will not be the Messiah.

He is an Assyrian by BLOOD ONLY, meaning he can be born in Greece as Dan. 8:9 MANDATES which is in the E.U. as Dan. 7:7-8 MANDATES.

He is Assyrian by blood and the King of Babylon and the 1st king who tomb has been found in Iraq.

Nope, Nimrod is not the AC. Period.

Which tells me you do not understand Isaiah 14 which is 100% proof that Nimrod is the Assyrian and king of Babylon.

The 6th Seal does nothing except opens up one of 7 Seals that bind up the Scrolls containing the Wrath of God (DOTL).

Jesus comes at the 6th seal for the gathering from heaven and earth. That is why there is a great multitude in Revelation 7. Additionally, the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. How do you miss these things?

God's Wrath only starts in Rev. 8 when the 7th Seal is opened up.

Exactly. Good for you. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal and then the wrath of God begins when the 7th seal is opened. The 7th seal contains the trumpets and vials of God wrath.

The 144,000 is a CODE for ALL Israel who repents, as in 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = ALL Israel, not an actual 144,000 people, we know it has to be 1/3 who repent, not 144,000 and not all males, just as the 10 Virgin Brides are NOT REALLY all female, and are actually representing billions of Christians.

I'm going to have to go with the Word of God. The 144,000 are virgin males, 12,000 from each tribe and are first fruits of the second harvest.

The LAST TRUMP is Pre Trib. and ends the Harvest Season. Israel (Wheat) will grow together with the Wicked Tares until the 2nd coming (THE END).

The barley harvest is the dead in Christ. The wheat harvest is the alive that remained.

What do the 12 tribes say when they realize that they have missed the harvest.

Jeremiah 8
20 The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved.

The great tribulation is about the 12 tribes as the Jews across the world are persecuted. You can see the beginning of this forming today.

The LAST TRUMP occurs in the fall when the 12 tribes are raptured. They will be raptured at the last trump which is blown on the feast of trumpets. Why do you think there will be 144,000 first fruits from the twelve tribes? It's because there will be a harvest. It is the fall fruit harvest that will occur at the 6th seal. This is the end of the age and then the wrath of God begins.

Here is another view of the harvest that occurs at the 6th seal.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

I understand prophesy, its my calling, I am not just playing around the edges like most brother.

I think you would be much better served and understand more if you would believe what is written. Making false unnecessary conclusions only take you off the trail.

 

[The Light]

That is pretty lame, since I have repeated over and over why I now see things much different than I used to, but its not MENS TRADAITIONS which you repeat over and over, its just the opposite.

My apologies brother. I haven't noticed any changes in the past few years.

I prayed to the Lord asking Him why is it that there can only be one answer, but the Church has 100's of different understanding about who the Harlot is, who the Beasts are, who the 144,000 are who Babylon is, when in truth there can only be one correct answer" AND I GOT THIS REPLY from the Holy Spirit.

Ron, you guys already know it all. That is when I knew I had to start doing just as I had with the Gospels as a young Christian and as I read, I needed to pray and ask God with ANYTHING, especially on things that were contradictory, whereas there were many different understandings, I would simply say Lord show me what this means, and of course He always does. You shift with the wind for no good reason it seems to me

I will shift what I believe, when I realize what I have believed does not agree with the Word of God. I'll give you an example. I have always believed that the Church would be raptured before the final 7 years begins. I believed that the final 7 years was the tribulation and this was the 70th week of Daniel.

Then I realized that from the rebuilding of Jerusalem unto Messiah the prince was 69 weeks. After 69 weeks the Messiah is cutoff. He was cut off 3 and a half years after He arrived as Messiah. That means that there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week.

However, there is a final week or 7-year period that begins when a covenant with many is made. The Word does not say the seven-year period begins when the Antichrist confirms the covenant. It says the making of the covenant starts the week. It can be confirmed later, and I think that's what will happen.

Do you believe there is a SEVEN HEADED BEAST?

There is the final world kingdom

Does all God's Judgments come in ONE DAY or in ONE HOUR? Or in 1260 days?

The wrath of God lasts one year. The Day of the Lord is sudden destruction at Armageddon on a particular day. In one hour, mystery Babylon will be destroyed by the ten kings.

Is the Woman in Rev. 12 really a Woman or is it Israel?

Israel.

Do the 10 Virgins Brides mean that only 10 Virgins are going to make it into heaven?

Of course not. There is a great multitude in heaven after the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal.

This is where you will of course dodge everything. Why even put that question forth? You know full well that the bible is full of Symmetry, Codes, Metaphors and Euphemisms and especially in the Book of Revelation.

Exactly. And it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. This does not give us carte blanche to change the Word of God.

We do not get divine revelation to change the word of God. The divine revelation is understanding how the exact word of God applies.

So, you can understand the 1 Virgin Brides = a STAND IN for Billions of Christians in Christendom, but you CANNOT understand that the exact same thing can be done by God for Israel? And with Israel, it makes far more sense to have a code, so Satan will not have the information and 2000 plus yeas to plan for his war on the Jewish peoples in the end times. Do you REALLY THINK God is going to give Satan this info ahead of time?

This is a false conclusion you are making brother. You say God is not going to give Satan His plan? How can you possibly conclude this?

For example, Satan knew God's plan to send His son to save the world. God could have kept it from him. He didn't. How do we know that?

Do you not understand that the Babylonian religion is all over the world? What is this religion? Nimrod at his death became the sun in the Babylonian religion. His wife, Semiramis, the queen of heaven, became the moon and his son Tammuz is the false savior.

The religion goes to Egypt. Osiris is the sun, Isis is the moon and Horus, the false savior is the star.

For the Greeks, Zeus is in the sky as the god of thunder, a mortal wife, and the false savior Hercules.

We can go to almost all of the false religions of the world and find the same scenario. Zoroastrianism, Shintoism, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, Mithraism, etc., etc. All have a sun god or god in the sky, a mortal woman and a false savior.

Satan knew Gods plan and set up all these false religions before the Messiah came. There are multitudes of false saviors and all these people of the world in these religions have been fooled.

So there is no need for a code. The code is........believe what is written.

If you would quit jumping off the trail you would see that the 144,000 first fruits are the first fruits of the second harvest. The second harvest will occur at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal.

In Zech. 13:8-9 why does God say 1/3 of Israel will repent brother Light?

Because that is what is going to happen. There is no mystery to solve.

Because God is not going to give him that info ahead of time, God is too intelligent to do that, so He gives us a RATIO of 1/3 which could be anything from 1 of 3 or 2 of 6 of 5 million of 15 million etc. Likewise he is not giving Satan the actual number of Jews in the end times, he gives him AN OBVIOUS CODE !!! You can understand 10 means Complete Christendom but you can not understand he code about Israel. NO EXCUSES brother.

There is no code. There is only believing what is written. God writes all these verses about 12,000 from each tribe.........and listing them. Then He tells us they are male virgins and first fruits. This means there will be a harvest of the Jews.............a rapture.........immediately after the tribulation of those days and before the wrath of God.

When you get off the trail you lose all the facts.

Anyone should be able to see and understand God never gives us full numbers, He gives us codes. The number 12 = Fulness and 10 = Completeness and you think God is going to actually chose only 144,000 VIRGIN MEN, are you kidding?

No, I'm not kidding. The 144,000 virgin men are first fruits. That means they have been raptured from the earth.

Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

This means there will be a harvest of the Jews.........seen here.....

Rev 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

Who is raptured from the earth that gets victory over the beast? The seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth. They are singing the song of Moses, they are Jews.

Revelation 15
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

God lets each man chose for himself Heaven or Hell. We get to chose, not God, He chooses us ALL but we REJECT Him. Quit with these excuses for why you can't see what I have shown you for many years now, you know this wipes out your beliefs so therefore you CANNOT SEE IT. Its that simple my brother in Christ.

Brother, if you want to understand the end times, you have to accept the written Word of God. When you draw false conclusions you are off the trail.

Which one of us is right? The one that reads the Word of God and accepts what is written, or the one that changes what is written to a code?

Start over and drop all these false conclusions. Everything falls together perfectly if you just get out of the way.

 

[The Light]

Nowhere is anything ever about Nimrod.

Isaiah 14 is 100% proof that the eighth king is Nimrod.

Who is THE WOMAN? That's why it is very important to be correct on everything brother. The Harlot Woman is ALL FALSE RELIGION of All Time, nothing else. She thus was a part of every one of the first 6 Beast Governments because they all served FALSE GODS !!Thus the Woman rides the back of the Beasts in Rev. 17:7. She was always CO-MINGLED with these Governments, but the last Beast and his 10 Kings (E.U.) seek to killer her off, but why? Because he will demand to be worshiped as the ONLY GOD !! There is now no place in his kingdom from Witchcraft, Zeus, Jupiter, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism et al. This he FORBIDS ALL WORSHIPING of ANY GODS (kills her off) except himself.

They hate the woman that rides the beast because there is a mixture of Christianity in the woman. The woman in Rev 17 that dresses in purple and scarlet and has a gold cup in her hand is the Church of Rome.

False Region (THINK) is in every country around the whole world, and has been since the beginning. So, False Religion was CO-MINGLED with every Gov. Beast from Egypt, to Babylon to Rome. The Short Space is merely 42 months of rule.

Right. And most of these false religions come out of Babylon where Nimrod is the sun, Semiramis is the moon and Tammuz is the star.

One exception is Islam. In Islam, Allah is the moon. Most religions the male god is the sun.

No, there was no Israel to BEAST OVER, God is giving us 7 Kings/Kingdoms over Israel, if it were only Beast Kingdoms of Great Power, then the British, the USA, The Ottoman Empire etc. would have to be included and it would be 100s or 1000s of Beasts. This is all about Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region (MSR)

It is a world government, not a government of the MSR. The government will have 10 kings.

You truly do no grasp prophesy, the 7 mountains represent kingdoms, read the old test. you will see it.

The seven mountains are where the woman sits.............just like the Word says.

I wrote something about Nimrod on Worthy long ago, I think you took it and ran with it and it began to get off centered by you. All I was speaking on is how Satan always FAKED the Triune Godhead in all of his False Religions he set up.

I don't recall it. Many, many years ago I studied many of the world religions and found the same pattern in most of them. It all tracks back to Babylon.

Where does Dan. 7:7-8 say the 10 Horns arise from? The Fourth Beasts Head, why is this so hard? You allow concepts to overrun factoids brother. NO MAN...........in the TERRITORY HE RULES OVER.

The 4th beast is diverse from the others. It does not come about until the little horn is on the scene.

 

[The Light]

CONTINUED.........


Dan. 11:36-45 is the Little Horn/AC/Beast. PERIOD. The White Horse, the Red Horse, the Black Horse, the Pale Green Horse AND the 5th Seal are all about the Little Horn/AC, he becomes THE BEAST by Conquering Israel and THE MANY in the MSR.
Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

So, ALL THE EARTH is only about the Mediterranean Sea Region, not the WHOLE EARTH. The parameters is given unto us (Here is where you MISS IT) in the simple 4 Heads and 10 Horns or 7 Heads and 10 Horns which both came up out of the GREAT SEA or the MSR. Its all about ONE REGION, not the whole world.

The little horn is the eighth king. The rider on the white horse is the seventh king. Why do you talk about the Mediterranean Sea Region? The little horn is over a world government..............no man can buy or sell without the mark of the beast.

Revelation 13
Dan 2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

So, ALL THE EARTH is only about the Mediterranean Sea Region, not the WHOLE EARTH. The parameters is given unto us (Here is where you MISS IT) in the simple 4 Heads and 10 Horns or 7 Heads and 10 Horns which both came up out of the GREAT SEA or the MSR. Its all about ONE REGION, not the whole world.

At the 6th Seal NOTHING HAS YET TO HAPPEN,

Are you kidding? At the 6th seal........the great tribulation is OVER. Then the seventh seal is opened and the wrath of God begins

At the 6th seal, Jesus comes for a harvest.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Now I will show why Matt. 24:29-30 confuses you below.


IMMEDIATLEY AFTER the tribulation [COMES UPON MANKIND] shall the Sun an Moon be Darkened, YES, YES, YES.........Of course after the Asteroid Impact cause 1/3 of the world to burn over a LONG PERIOD OF TIME (not ONE DAY) we see the Sun and Moon dimmed because of all the SMOKE, and because of all the fires the Moon will look BLOOD RED (it is only a hue however from the fires on earth). The Heavens being SHAKEN only means Satan is cast down to earth like UNTIMELY FIGS.

How do you not understand.........at the 6th seal Jesus returns for a harvest. At the 6th seal the great tribulation is over.

The sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven at the 6th seal. It has NOTHING to do with the asteroid that comes during the 7th seal wrath of God.

AND THEN...........AND THEN..........Means 1260 days later, just as I will prove in Zech. 14:1-2 where in verse 3 we get a 1260 day JUMP just like between Matt. 24:29 and 30. So, THEN Jesus shows up 1260 days AFTER the Tribulation causes all these conditions via an Asteroid Impact which starts God's Wrath (DOTL) and of course vs. 30 is that 2nd coming of Jesus.

The second coming occurs at the 6th seal. Jesus remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins. During this time the asteroid comes. Then Armageddon and then Jesus sets His feet on the mount of Olives which is the second advent.

In both sets of verses we see the TRIBULATION STARTS via the DOTL,

No. The tribulation does not start via the DOTL.

The great tribulation begins when the AOD is set up.

The great tribulation is the 5th seal. Jesus returns at the 6th seal.

The wrath of God is the 7th seal. The asteroid is part of the 7th seal and has nothing whatsoever to do with sun and moon being darked and the stars falling from heaven

The DOTL occurs during the 7th seal at Armageddon.

The tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the 7th seal. Tribulation is not wrath.

The 6th Seal talk brother is not even a discussion.

Are you unable to see that Jesus returns at the 6th seal? Are you unable to see that the great tribulation is over at the 6th seal?

I do not even get how a person gets this confused brother. God sent me to enlighten you but you think you already have "The Light" (pun intended).


God Bless my friend. Get with it, quit going down cul-de-sacs.

I am not at all confused. I don't change the Word of God so I don't go down the wrong trail.

I believe you need to start by understanding that Jesus returns at the 6th seal for a harvest as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Additionally, the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. And the wrath of God is the 7th seal. Start with this...........

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That's pretty funny claiming obama is the antichrist.

I thought the OP was joking because it is so funny!

 

[Ronald D Milam]

I believe you need to start by understanding that Jesus returns at the 6th seal for a harvest as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Additionally, the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. And the wrath of God is the 7th seal. Start with this...........

You are too far done the rabbit hole my friend. Carry on, you will see once you get to heaven everything you thought about Eschatology was in error. God Bless.

 

[The Light]

You are too far done the rabbit hole my friend. Carry on, you will see once you get to heaven everything you thought about Eschatology was in error. God Bless.

How could everything I believe possibly be in error? When God says the 144,000 are 12,000 from each tribe and are first fruits............THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE.

You are the one that is making things up that further confuses your understanding. Until you believe what is written, you are confused.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

I could present the two scriptures above to a 6th grade math class as a word problem and ask them what they can conclude and they would tell me the that the tribulation was over at the 6th seal and Jesus returns at the 6th seal.

I'm willing to bet math or analysis was not a strong subject for you.

Carry on. At least you understand there is a pretribulation rapture.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

How could everything I believe possibly be in error? When God says the 144,000 are 12,000 from each tribe and are first fruits............THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE.

When God says there are 10 Virgin Brides are they 10? Or does 10 represent Completion and Virgin represent being washed in the blood of Jesus? So which is it light? Do you just pick and choose? That is not how scriptures work sir. The First fruits means they are the first-fruits of the Jews to receive Christ as their Messiah, the other Jews who received Christ like John, Paul etc. did so as a part of the Church Age, these do so as the Father's Bride, that is why they have the Fathers name on their forehead.

Whenever, WHENEVER one sees a PERFECT NUMBER, especially one that can be timed by specific numbers with MEANING from God, it is always a code, you or others being able to grasp this or not changes nothing.

So, in Zech. 13:8-9 God tells us that 1/3 of Israel will repent and be saved and that 2/3 will refuse to repent and will die. Then in Zech. 14:1 we see the DOTL arrives in in vs. 2 Jerusalem is conquered then in vs. 3 Jesus shows up (2nd coming). So, common sense tells us the number of Jews saved has to be far more than 144,000 but God does not and did not want Satan having his plans at hand for 2000-2500 years, because unlike us God knows all and understood it was not good to give that info to His enemy Satan. So he gave a RATIO. Likewise, the 144,000 PERFECT NUMBER is a code, just like the 10 Virgin Brides is a stand in code.

In the Old Testament God saved unto Himself 7000 men, a Perfect Number, which means its a CODE not a real number because God will never clue Satan in ahead of time. 7 = Divine Completion, 10 = Completion, thus 7000 is 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 or Divine Completion x Completion. We actually get the exact same thing when God fills us in on the Myriad of Angels in heaven, its 10,000 x 10,000. Also the 2000 Million is 10,000 x 10,000 x 2 or 200 million Angels NO MEN on Horses.

Finally the 144,000 can be calculated in 2 ways to shows God's Perfect Numbers. First each tribe has 12,000 or 12 x 10 x 10 x 10, Hmmmmm. So do you really think that is a REAL NUMBER? So, Gid chooses who gets saved? We don't have to come to Christ by faith? Even Jews? COME ON MAN.

Then the 144,000 is 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 144,000 adding in one more 12 for all 12 tribes. This is the 1/3 who repent, this is Men, Women and Children, like the 10 Brides they are Virgins because they are now in Christ Jesus. They are deemed Males because God called them FIRST before He called the Church who are shown as Females. Rev. 7 is the Jews Fleeing Judea after they repent as Matt. 24:15-21 shows us, just before the Troubles hit as Matt. 24:24 shows us. Rev. 8 starts God's Wrath, REMEMBER, Zech. 13:8-9 showed the same thing, the 1/3 repent THEN in the very next vs. in Zech. 14:1 the DOTL arrives.

In Rev. 2:10 the Smyrna Church were told they would have tribulation for 10 days, that means for the COMPLETE CHURCH AGE !! Not 10 days, who speaks about 10 days of troubles. The 10 Commandments are a stand in for God's COMPLETE LAWS and we know Jesus said we could keep the full law by keeping only 2 laws. The 10 Plagues etc. etc. Gid is always giving us these perfect numbers or a reason. It mystifies me why you always DODGE THIS, and will not just admit that the 10 Virgin Brides is a KNOWN CODE. so the 144,000 may also be (it is) a CODE ALSO. God never CHOOSES those who come to Christ, to get PERFECT NUMBERS like 7000 and 144,000 God Himself would have to choose a select number, that is not how God operates, He gives us FREE WILL, thus WE CHOOSE ourselves and the Numbers will always be like this instead, 987, 445, 591 which is just a few people short of a Billion via the Church. So, if the Jews who repent are closer to 5 Million (1/3 of 15 million) then the TRUE NUMBER will be 5,342,603, not a perfect number.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

So, the TRIBULATION STARTS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ASTEROID IMPACT, you have no understanding of how to read prophesy brother. SAME THING HAPPENS I Zech. 14:2 (Jerusalem is sacked) and Zech. 14:3 where Jesus RETURNS, its a 1260 day JUMP between those two verses. You know why I know? Because the Anti-Christ Conquers Israel and rules them fir 1260 days, its real simple if we jus use the math brother.

So, verse 29 sees an Asteroid Impact (Rev. 8) that Causes FIRE via 1/3 of the Trees burning in Trump #1 then in Trump #2 THE IMPACT then in Trump #3 we see a FALLOUT that poisons the Fresh Waters in 1/3 of the World so the 1/3 Trees Burning and the 1/3 Fresh Waters tells us its a PLACE and that place is the New World only. Since Jesus will rule for 1000 years from the Old World/Jerusalem, God will judge them in a different way, by killing them as individuals, not wanting Jesus to be ruling from a charred land, of course. Then the Sun and Moon are DARKENED in Trump #4 THAT IS vs. 29, and THEN Jesus will return 1260 days AFTER this Asteroid Impact sets trees ablaze and causes the Sun and Moon to go dark IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Asteroid Impact brings these fires which dims the sun & moon by 1/3.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

The 6th Seal is Jesus FORETELLING the Church who are ween in Heaven (Rev. 4:4) what will come to pass in a SEQUENCE that lasts for 42 months when Gods Wrath (the Asteroid Impact) comes in Rev. 8 AFTER the Jews flee Judea in Rev. 7. In Seals 1-5 Jesus is opening a Scroll and all 7 Seals have to be OFF before these COMING EVENTS can start, not 3 not 6 but all 7 have to be off, just like a door with 7 locks can not be opened when you take off only 6 locks !! So, Seals 1-5 are all about the Anti-Christ/Beasts soon to come 42 month rule, the 6th Seal is about God's soon to come 42 months of Wrath. Then in Rev. 7 the Jews who repent (1/3, the 5 million who are the 144,000) Flee Judea to safety. Then in Rev. 8 IT ALL STARTS, that is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8, the Jews must repent and Flee Judea BEFORE God's Wrath can fall that is why in Rev. 7 it says HOLD UP the Four Winds (Judgment) and HURT NOT the Earth, Sea nor Trees until the Jews Repent (1/3, the 5 Million aka the 144,000) and flee Judea. Then in Rev. 8 the 7th Seal Is LOOSED, the Scroll can now be opened just like a door with 7 locks, and God's wrath can only now fall. It WILL NOT FALL in Rev. 6, that is just you missing the clues brother.

I could present the two scriptures above to a 6th grade math class as a word problem and ask them what they can conclude and they would tell me the that the tribulation was over at the 6th seal and Jesus returns at the 6th seal.

I'm willing to bet math or analysis was not a strong subject for you.

Carry on. At least you understand there is a pretribulation rapture.

Only God can reveal His word, you can nit teach anything to anyone brother unless you first humble yourself and receive His truths. I know about Prophesy because its my calling of 40 plus years.

 

[The Light]

When God says there are 10 Virgin Brides are they 10? Or does 10 represent Completion and Virgin represent being washed in the blood of Jesus? So which is it light?

Do you not understand what a parable is?

Do you just pick and choose? That is not how scriptures work sir. The First fruits means they are the first-fruits of the Jews to receive Christ as their Messiah, the other Jews who received Christ like John, Paul etc. did so as a part of the Church Age, these do so as the Father's Bride, that is why they have the Fathers name on their forehead.

I don't understand your point, sorry. I will say there is the election and rest were blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Then again, each in his order............first fruits (144,000)......and then they that are Christs at His coming (6th seal coming of Jesus for the second harvest.)

Whenever, WHENEVER one sees a PERFECT NUMBER, especially one that can be timed by specific numbers with MEANING from God, it is always a code, you or others being able to grasp this or not changes nothing.

You got chapter and verse on this? Why can't 144,000 be 144,000? Why can't 7000 be 7000. You attempt to provide solutions when there are no problems.

So, in Zech. 13:8-9 God tells us that 1/3 of Israel will repent and be saved and that 2/3 will refuse to repent and will die. Then in Zech. 14:1 we see the DOTL arrives in in vs. 2 Jerusalem is conquered then in vs. 3 Jesus shows up (2nd coming). So, common sense tells us the number of Jews saved has to be far more than 144,000

Yes. Thank you. Common sense should tell us that there are more than 144,000 saved. The 144,000 are just the first fruits of the seed of the woman. There will be a harvest with the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal..........seen here.

Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

but God does not and did not want Satan having his plans at hand for 2000-2500 years,

I have already shown you this is an incorrect conclusion. Satan knows God plan. Most of the false religions come out of Babylon. There is always a false trinity in these religions with a son being a false savior. God's plan is not hidden from Satan and I would have to believe that he knows every bit as much as a human.

because unlike us God knows all and understood it was not good to give that info to His enemy Satan. So he gave a RATIO. Likewise, the 144,000 PERFECT NUMBER is a code, just like the 10 Virgin Brides is a stand in code.

I have already PROVEN with SCRIPTURE, that the 144,000 do NOT represent all of Israel because they are redeemed from the earth as first fruits in Revelation 14.

Additionally, it seems that you do not understand the difference between the seed of the woman which is the twelve tribes across the eaarth that are not in Israel and the woman........Israel.

 

[The Light]

So, the TRIBULATION STARTS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE ASTEROID IMPACT, you have no understanding of how to read prophesy brother.

No. You have no understanding what I am saying.

How can you conclude that I am saying that the tribulation starts immediately after the asteroid impact?

The TRIBULATION is OVER at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. The asteroid impact occurs in the 7th seal wrath of God.

The great tribulation is not the wrath of God.

So, verse 29 sees an Asteroid Impact (Rev. 8) that Causes FIRE via 1/3 of the Trees burning in Trump #1 then in Trump #2 THE IMPACT then in Trump #3 we see a FALLOUT that poisons the Fresh Waters in 1/3 of the World so the 1/3 Trees Burning and the 1/3 Fresh Waters tells us its a PLACE and that place is the New World only

My Bible does not show this. Mine shows grass and trees take a hit before the asteroid comes.

and THEN Jesus will return 1260 days AFTER this Asteroid Impact sets trees ablaze and causes the Sun and Moon to go dark IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Asteroid Impact brings these fires which dims the sun & moon by 1/3.

Brother, you remind me of Douggg. One unbiblical false conclusion after another. And each leads to more false conclusions.

Show me a verse that says there are 1260 days AFTER an asteroid impact.

The 6th Seal is Jesus FORETELLING the Church who are ween in Heaven (Rev. 4:4) what will come to pass in a SEQUENCE that lasts for 42 months when Gods Wrath (the Asteroid Impact) comes in Rev. 8 AFTER the Jews flee Judea in Rev. 7. In Seals 1-5 Jesus is opening a Scroll and all 7 Seals have to be OFF before these COMING EVENTS can start, not 3 not 6 but all 7 have to be off, just like a door with 7 locks can not be opened when you take off only 6 locks !! So, Seals 1-5 are all about the Anti-Christ/Beasts soon to come 42 month rule, the 6th Seal is about God's soon to come 42 months of Wrath. Then in Rev. 7 the Jews who repent (1/3, the 5 million who are the 144,000) Flee Judea to safety. Then in Rev. 8 IT ALL STARTS, that is why the 7th Seal is over in Rev. 8, the Jews must repent and Flee Judea BEFORE God's Wrath can fall that is why in Rev. 7 it says HOLD UP the Four Winds (Judgment) and HURT NOT the Earth, Sea nor Trees until the Jews Repent (1/3, the 5 Million aka the 144,000) and flee Judea. Then in Rev. 8 the 7th Seal Is LOOSED, the Scroll can now be opened just like a door with 7 locks, and God's wrath can only now fall. It WILL NOT FALL in Rev. 6, that is just you missing the clues brother.

My Bible says the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. My Bible says Jesus returns at the 6th seal for a harvest. My Bible says the kings of the earth hide in caves as the know the 7th seal will be open, and the wrath of God will begin.

How do you come up with all of this stuff?

Only God can reveal His word, you can nit teach anything to anyone brother unless you first humble yourself and receive His truths. I know about Prophesy because its my calling of 40 plus years.

It confusing that you claim to know about prophecy and you don't understand that Jesus returns at the 6th seal.

God tells you that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal because the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven, the exact think that happens at the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24.

There are two raptures.

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

No. You have no understanding what I am saying.

How can you conclude that I am saying that the tribulation starts immediately after the asteroid impact?

You are saying nothing that anyone can understand as anything but conflated errors, I AM TELLING YOU WHEN IT COMES, and what IMMEDIAATLY AFTER the tribulation means, it never means after it ends but after it ARRIVES, therefore you get everything wrong because you seemingly think it means after it ENDS instead of after the tribulation STRTS !! Therefore you have n shot at ever understanding that verse 29 is what is IMMEDIATELLY AFTER the troubles start the Sun and Moon goes dark because of the SMOKE from the 1/ Trees on FIRE because of an Asteroid breaking apart BEFORE it hits n Trump #2.,The SUN and MOON dims because of the trees on fire because of an incoming Asteroid.

Verse 30 therefore happens NOT IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARDS, but 1260 days after the tribulation begins. You can't even understand that I am TELLING YOU WHAT IT MEANS, you think I am telling you how you are thinking, when you could never see this because you go into things already having the [wrong] answers.

The TRIBULATION is OVER at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. The asteroid impact occurs in the 7th seal wrath of God.

You have no understanding of Prophesy, its my calling. You can not even understand what SEALS DO, they SEAL UP messages. Nothing in the Seals are WRATH, they SEAL UP the Scroll of Wrath, that is all they do.

The great tribulation is not the wrath of God.

Of course it is, God's Wrath parallels the Anti-Christ/Beasts 42 months, God will not let him go forth until His Wrath falls. PERIOD.

My Bible does not show this. Mine shows grass and trees take a hit before the asteroid comes.

It does. its the same bible, its just not your calling. A foot trying to be a hand is your problem. We have to be what called us to be, this ain't your bag brother, and to boot, you WILL NEVER LISTEN to those who are called and know. Of course the TREES BURN before the Asteroid Impact, as the Asteroid is on fire and BREAKS APART it burns the trees BEFORE the Impact. Have you never studied Asteroid Impacts? Sodom burned because of BURNINGS SULFUR BALLS, and those that hit in the Dead Sea side can still be found to this day.

Brother, you remind me of Douggg. One unbiblical false conclusion after another. And each leads to more false conclusions.

Show me a verse that says there are 1260 days AFTER an asteroid impact.

You are confused like him on most everything, but he is not as far off as you.

SMILE....so you do not eve understand the DOTL lasts for 1260 days? Good grief brother.

My Bible says the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. My Bible says Jesus returns at the 6th seal for a harvest. My Bible says the kings of the earth hide in caves as the know the 7th seal will be open, and the wrath of God will begin.

How do you come up with all of this stuff?

No it does not, that is just you not understanding that Jesus is Prophesying about the soon to come Wrath. The 6th Seal is Jesus telling you that n ONE MORE SEAL all this will start happening and can be seen HERE in Rev 8:

12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

This above IS THE 6TH SEAL ROPHESY coming to pass !!

How do you come up with all of this stuff?

Its MY CALLING..............its what I do, I am not just playing around with Prophesy brother.

It confusing that you claim to know about prophecy and you don't understand that Jesus returns at the 6th seal.

No one but you says that.

God tells you that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal because the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven, the exact think that happens at the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24.

In BOTH you CONFUSE and CONFLATE the TIMINGS.