The Purpose of the Law

[justbyfaith]

@CharismaticLady,

The scripture has concluded all under sin in order that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe (Galatians 3:22). Even those who were sticklers for the law in Paul's day, couldn't keep it (Galatians 6:13). For all have sinned and come short (present tense) of the glory of the Lord (Romans 3:23).

 

[justbyfaith]

Someone might want to repeat my post above not in a quote (you can take the credit if you wish). Because @CL has placed me on Ignore and therefore has become deaf to the things that I would say to her.

Iow, she has hardened her heart to anything that might come from me as a teacher.

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Oh, then I'm quite mistaken it seems. I was responding to this in #134:

"Believers Should NOT break any of the Laws Of God .....but they do. Believers CAN and DO take advantage of God's Grace, whether they know it or not and whether they want to admit it or not."

I read this post and agree for the most part, except I would take it much further and change some semantics.

Yes, we first must see ourselves as sinners in light of the laws of God, it's purpose. But I want to know if you would agree with me that Jesus does not let God's children stay actual sinners. And I don't mean imputed righteousness either, but actual righteousness. Do you know how this is accomplished? I do, but first want your answer.

Before I got Saved, I just did whatever I wanted to do—- much of it displeasing to God. Now that I am Saved , Simply because I asked God to Save me , I STILL do whatever I want to do.....God has changed my “ wants”..... More and more, MY wants tend to line-up with God’s Will.....this is pleasing to God.....My behavior gets better without me worrying about it.That is a Result Of my Salvation.....Any Behavioral Changes benefit me and have Nothing to do with my Getting Saved or Staying Saved......My only Doctrine is “ Jesus Saves—NO ‘ BUTS ‘ Attached”........

 

[justbyfaith]

So, @Blood Bought 1953,

I would ask you about Galatians 5:17...

Gal 5:17, For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

impaho, there are two ways of looking at this verse.

1) in light of Romans 7:14-25. The things that I "would" do are the things of righteousness in God's kingdom; and I cannot do them;

2) in light of 1 John 3:9. The things that I "cannot" do are the things of sinful flesh; which if this is the case, I "would" do the things of the flesh, but "cannot" do them.

What is your take on these things?

 

[BloodBought 1953]

So, @Blood Bought 1953,

I would ask you about Galatians 5:17...

Gal 5:17, For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

impaho, there are two ways of looking at this verse.

1) in light of Romans 7:14-25. The things that I "would" do are the things of righteousness in God's kingdom; and I cannot do them;

2) in light of 1 John 3:9. The things that I "cannot" do are the things of sinful flesh; which if this is the case, I "would" do the things of the flesh, but "cannot" do them.

What is your take on these things?

My “ take” is...huh ? You lost me there somewhere.....lol.....I was home - schooled and not the sharpest knife in the drawer......could you dumb it down a tad? Thanks......

 

[CharismaticLady]

Before I got Saved, I just did whatever I wanted to do—- much of it displeasing to God. Now that I am Saved , Simply because I asked God to Save me , I STILL do whatever I want to do.....God has changed my “ wants”..... More and more, MY wants tend to line-up with God’s Will.....this is pleasing to God.....My behavior gets better without me worrying about it.That is a Result Of my Salvation.....Any Behavioral Changes benefit me and have Nothing to do with my Getting Saved or Staying Saved......My only Doctrine is “ Jesus Saves—NO ‘ BUTS ‘ Attached”........

I'm the same. But I do give credit to the Holy Spirit. It seems many churches fail to appreciate Christ's power through His Spirit infilling us and changing our nature to the divine nature of God.

 

[justbyfaith]

My “ take” is...huh ? You lost me there somewhere.....lol.....I was home - schooled and not the sharpest knife in the drawer......could you dumb it down a tad? Thanks......

I would suggest reading the passages in question and then looking at the comments that I made about them.

 

[Joseph77]

I would suggest not doing that.

 

[Joseph77]

My “ take” is...huh ? You lost me there somewhere.....lol.....I was home - schooled and not the sharpest knife in the drawer......could you dumb it down a tad? Thanks......

Instead of simple, understandable, revealed by God, true wisdom from above,
some stuff posted is , well, to be questioned at best ..... the sources may often be a known false evangelist or known and already proven false church, as is the case too often today.

 

[justbyfaith]

I would suggest not doing that.

And why is that? because you have a personal bias against the church that I attend?

 

[justbyfaith]

Instead of simple, understandable, revealed by God, true wisdom from above,
some stuff posted is , well, to be questioned at best ..... the sources may often be a known false evangelist or known and already proven false church, as is the case too often today.

I stand as a Berean (Acts of the Apostles 17:10-11) concerning everything that I am taught.

I do not always go by what comes to me from the pulpit of the Calvary Chapel Movement; but I check what is said by the holy scriptures to determine whether these things are so.

I suggest that all who pay attention to my own ministry do the same.

 

[Joseph77]

and already proven false church, as is the case too often today.

 

[justbyfaith]

and already proven false church, as is the case too often today.

I consider that this is persecution for righteousness' sake...

Many people become born again through the Calvary Chapel Movement.

 

[Joseph77]

I consider that this is persecution for righteousness' sake...

Many people become born again through the Calvary Chapel Movement.

That 'movement' so far did not pass the tests of Scripture, nor did your posts as shown in the past so far.
The pride of feeling that is persecution is a lie, and is because of sin, not righteousness at all,
and that's the same for any church or person in the world that carries and that brings a false gospel too.

 

[justbyfaith]

Also, they cannot go far wrong when they are given the mandate to teach through the word of the Lord chapter by chapter and book by book.

For they will find themselves corrected by scripture as time passes if they begin to teach anything falsely.

 

[justbyfaith]

That 'movement' so far did not pass the tests of Scripture, nor did your posts as shown in the past so far.
The pride of feeling that is persecution is a lie, and is because of sin, not righteousness at all,
and that's the same for any church or person in the world that carries and that brings a false gospel too.

What is the nature of this "false gospel" that Calvary Chapel teaches?

Can you define what this false gospel is?

What is it that they preach that you deem to be so horrible?

 

[Joseph77]

No

Also, they cannot go far wrong when they are given the mandate to teach through the word of the Lord chapter by chapter and book by book.

For they will find themselves corrected by scripture as time passes if they begin to teach anything falsely.

not at all.
Just like you have not found yourself corrected by scripture, so also the other groups that teach a lot falsely do not find themselves corrected by scripture , and they do not or have not yet received Jesus' correction in or from His Word nor from Him.
Thinking that they would receive correction, is just like (it seems), thinking that the religious leaders in the first century would receive correction - as they read the Scripture more than anyone you know of today,
thinking that in scripture they would find life,
yet like today, like rebellious ones , false teachers today, they ignore Jesus and do not hear His Voice and do not listen to Him nor obey Him -
why He says: "Why do you call Me Lord, but do not do what I say" ,
and further, when correction by God's Word, in perfect harmony with all of mercy and grace and God's Way,
is presented/ offered/ spoken/ written, they reject it (so far as shown on various sites on the internet) so far....
and without repentance,
without correction at all -
instead claiming the truth 'persecutes' them, and it does because they are unrepentant sinning false teachers,
instead of receiving the correction from God of the Truth - His Word, as written, unchanged and unchanging all along.

 

[Joseph77]

What is the nature of this "false gospel" that Calvary Chapel teaches?

Can you define what this false gospel is?

What is it that they preach that you deem to be so horrible?

The false gospel is anathema.
Anyone, them, you or me, who brings a false gospel, even if an Apostle, as Anathema/ accursed , as written.
Thus, once more again, as for the past few weeks,
ignored.

The revelation of truth, the Scripture and the things "so horrible", are all presented constantly on the internet, available to everyone with access,
so anyone who is seeking the truth may see it,
and find it in accordance with all Scripture - no contradiction ...
i.e. the judgement is true and right and just, and is from their own words - their own false teachings. (which again are available to anyone with access to the internet -
with caution not to fall into grave and serious error if looking at or for their false teachings)

It is neither helpful nor edifying for anyone to copy/ paste/ nor repeat their false teachings here...
it was done probably several times in the past, and those who adhere to the false teachings do not change just because it is brought out in the light of Jesus - they just claim persecution and get more vocal - thus again
it is not helpful to pursue here any more....

 

[justbyfaith]

Show me what the truth is, that is contrary to what CC teaches.

Just like you have not found yourself corrected by scripture,

No one has ever come to me correcting me with scripture; because I study to shew myself approved, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. And I also back up my statements with holy scripture.

If someone can show me that my beliefs are not in accordance with the teaching of scripture, I will change my belief to fit what holy scripture teaches, in a matter of time. Of course I would need time to pray about the new information given and how it coincides with what I already know of holy scripture.

 

[justbyfaith]

The false gospel is anathema.
Anyone, them, you or me, who brings a false gospel, even if an Apostle, as Anathema/ accursed , as written.
Thus, once more again, as for the past few weeks,
ignored.

The revelation of truth, the Scripture and the things "so horrible", are all presented constantly on the internet, available to everyone with access,
so anyone who is seeking the truth may see it,
and find it in accordance with all Scripture - no contradiction ...
i.e. the judgement is true and right and just, and is from their own words - their own false teachings. (which again are available to anyone with access to the internet -
with caution not to fall into grave and serious error if looking at or for their false teachings)

It is neither helpful nor edifying for anyone to copy/ paste/ nor repeat their false teachings here...
it was done probably several times in the past, and those who adhere to the false teachings do not change just because it is brought out in the light of Jesus - they just claim persecution and get more vocal - thus again
it is not helpful to pursue here any more....

If you were to show what you think the false teachings to be, you can be certain that if those teachings are biblical, they would be defended biblically by those who understand those teachings.

But apparently you want to lambast the movement without any accountability, so you do so and do not even say what these "false teachings" even are; because if you did, it might be shown that they are not false at all, but are based on pure biblical exegesis.