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Episkopos

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That that is false.


One can participate in the faith without being saved. Do not equate church attendance, claims and such as meaning that person was ever saved.

As for nullifying what the bible says, that is nullifying God, which no one can do.

There is no exception clause in romans 8.


Do not equate church attendance, claims and such as meaning that person was participating in the faith.
 

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28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, whoi]">[i] have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k]">[k] neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

That that is false.

One can participate in the faith without being saved. Do not equate church attendance, claims and such as meaning that person was ever saved.

As for nullifying what the bible says, that is nullifying God, which no one can do.

There is no exception clause in romans 8.

You're wrong. There is a condition to being in Messiah (Christ). You must walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh.

Romans 8
[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 

CoreIssue

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You're wrong. There is a condition to being in Messiah (Christ). You must walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh.
Romans 8
[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

True. And those that do that love him.

That is in agreement with what I posted, not an exception.
 

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Walking in the Spirit rather than the flesh is not a condition for being in Christ. It is the natural outworking of being in Christ.

It's not good to put the cart before the horse.

If you think that you are somehow going to enter into being in Christ's body by amping up your performance, you are sadly mistaken.

Enter in through the door, and your behaviour will begin to be like one who is living in the house.
 

CoreIssue

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Let's go with the biblical definition. The kind that moves God and does miracles.
Faith is not limited to being in God. One can have faith in anything. Atheists have faith in what they believe.

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number:
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Original Word
Word Origin
pivstiß from (3982)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Pistis 6:174,849
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
pis'-tis Noun Feminine
Definition
  1. conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with it
    1. relating to God
      1. the conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ
    2. relating to Christ
      1. a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God
    3. the religious beliefs of Christians
    4. belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same
  2. fidelity, faithfulness
    1. the character of one who can be relied on