The ships of Chittim

[Ziggy]

not sure if you have already mentioned Isaiah 33:20-24? Curious with your study if you have a perspective on: “Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken. [21] But there the glorious Lord will be unto us a place of broad rivers and streams; wherein shall go no galley with oars, neither shall gallant ship pass thereby. [22] For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us. [23] Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey. [24] And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.”

Zion = "parched place"
A sunny place, A sunny mountain

our solemnities:
properly, an appointment, i.e. a fixed time or season; specifically, a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand):—appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn(-ity), synogogue, (set) time (appointed).

Jerusalem = "teaching of peace"
founded peaceful; Jerushalaim or Jerushalem, the capital city of Palestine:—Jerusalem.

a quiet:
at ease, quiet, secure
one at ease
at ease, careless, wanton, arrogant
secure; in a bad sense, haughty:—that is at ease, quiet, tumult.

abode, habitation, abode of shepherds or flocks, pasture
a home, of God (temple), men (residence), flocks (pasture), or wild animals (den):—comely, dwelling (place), fold, habitation, pleasant place, sheepcote, stable, tarried

a tent (as clearly conspicuous from a distance):—covering, (dwelling) (place), home, tabernacle, tent.

(Not)
to wander, travel
to migrate:—be taken down.

stakes
from an unused root meaning to pin through or fast; a peg:—nail, paddle, pin, stake.
fixed

a cord, rope, territory, band, company
a rope (as twisted), especially a measuring line; by implication, a district or inheritance (as measured); or a noose (as of cords); figuratively, a company (as if tied together); a throe (especially of parturition); also ruin:—band, coast, company, cord, country, destruction, line, lot, pain, pang, portion, region, rope, snare, sorrow, tackling.

broken:
to pull or tear or draw off or away or apart, draw out, pluck up, break, lift, root out
to tear off:—break (off), burst, draw (away), lift up, pluck (away, off), pull (out), root out.

Isa 33:20 Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken.

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[Ziggy]

Isa 33:21 But there the glorious LORD will be unto us a place of broad rivers and streams; wherein shall go no galley with oars, neither shall gallant ship pass thereby.

A place:
properly, a standing, i.e. a spot; but used widely of a locality (general or specific); also (figuratively) of a condition (of body or mind):—country

broad, wide
roomy, in any (or every) direction, literally or figuratively:—broad, large, at liberty, proud, wide.

rivers:
a stream (including the sea; expectation the Nile, Euphrates, etc.); figuratively, prosperity:—flood, river.

streams:
of Egyptian origin; a channel, e.g. a fosse, canal, shaft; specifically the Nile, as the one river of Egypt, including its collateral trenches; also the Tigris, as the main river of Assyria:—brook, flood, river, stream.

galley:
fleet, ships
( 1Ki 10:22 For the king had at sea a navy H590 of Tharshish with the navy H590 of Hiram: once in three years came the navy H590 of Tharshish, bringing gold, and silver, ivory, and apes, and peacocks. )

oars:
rowing
scourge (fig)
( Isa 28:15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge H7885 shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves: )

gallant:
great, majestic
of waters of sea
of kings, nations, gods
great one, majestic one
of nobles, chieftains, servants
wide or (generally) large; figuratively, powerful:—excellent, famous, gallant, glorious, goodly, lordly, mighty(-ier one), noble, principal, worthy.

a ship (as a fixture):—ship.
a dry place in the midst of waters.

pass thereby:
to pass over or by or through, alienate, bring, carry, do away, take, take away, transgress

Isa 33:21 But there the glorious LORD will be unto us a place of broad rivers and streams; wherein shall go no galley with oars, neither shall gallant ship pass thereby.

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[Ziggy]

Isa 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

judge:
to judge, govern, vindicate, punish
pronounce sentence (for or against); by implication, to vindicate or punish;

lawgiver:
to cut out, decree, inscribe, set, engrave, portray, govern
by implication, to enact (laws being cut in stone or metal tablets in primitive times) or (generally) prescribe:—appoint, decree, governor, grave, lawgiver, note, pourtray, print, set.

king: melek
king
a king:—king, royal

to save, be saved, be delivered
to be saved (in battle), be victorious
to be open, wide or free, i.e. (by implication) to be safe; causatively, to free or succor:—× at all, avenging, defend, deliver(-er), help, preserve, rescue, be safe, bring (having) salvation, save(-iour), get victory.

Isa 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

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[Ziggy]

Isa 33:23 Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey.

Thy
tacklings:
pain, sorrow, travail, pang
pains, pangs, sorrows
a rope (as twisted), especially a measuring line; by implication, a district or inheritance (as measured); or a noose (as of cords); figuratively, a company (as if tied together); a throe (especially of parturition); also ruin:—band, coast, company, cord, country, destruction, line, lot, pain, pang, portion, region, rope, snare, sorrow, tackling.

are
loosed:
to leave, permit, forsake, cast off or away, reject, suffer, join, spread out or abroad, be loosed, cease, abandon, quit, hang loose, cast down, make a raid, lie fallow, let fall, forgo, draw

they could not well
strengthen:
to strengthen, prevail, harden, be strong, become strong, be courageous, be firm, grow firm, be resolute, be sore

their mast:
beacon, mast, flagpole
a pole (as a mast or flagstaff):—beacon, mast.
( Isa 30:17 One thousand shall flee at the rebuke of one; at the rebuke of five shall ye flee: till ye be left as a beacon H8650 upon the top of a mountain, and as an ensign on an hill. )

they could not spread:
to spread, spread out, stretch, break in pieces
to break apart, disperse, etc.:—break, chop in pieces, lay open, scatter, spread (abroad, forth, selves, out), stretch (forth, out).

the sail:
something lifted up, standard, signal, signal pole, ensign, banner, sign, sail
standard (as rallying point), signal

then is the prey:
booty, prey
in the sense of the aim of an attack; booty:—prey
( Gen 49:27 Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, H5706 and at night he shall divide the spoil )

of a great:
abundance, increase

spoil:
prey, plunder, spoil, booty

divided:
to divide, share, plunder, allot, apportion, assign
to be smooth (figuratively); by implication (as smooth stones were used for lots) to apportion or separate:—deal, distribute, divide, flatter, give, (have, im-) part(-ner), take away a portion, receive, separate self, (be) smooth(-er).

the lame:
( Isa 35:6 Then shall the lame H6455 man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert. )

take the prey:
to spoil, plunder, prey upon, seize
( Num 14:31 But your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, H957 them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have
despised. )

Isa 33:23 Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey.

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[Ziggy]

Isa 33:24 And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.

And the inhabitant:
inhabitant, neighbour
a resident; by extension, a fellow-citizen:—inhabitant, neighbour, nigh.

shall not say:
to say, speak, utter
to say, to answer, to say in one's heart, to think, to command, to promise, to intend
to boast, to act proudly

I am sick:
to be or become weak, be or become sick, be or become diseased, be or become grieved, be or become sorry
properly, to be rubbed or worn; hence (figuratively) to be weak, sick, afflicted; or (causatively) to grieve, make sick; also to stroke (in flattering), entreat:—beseech, (be) diseased, (put to) grief, be grieved, (be) grievous, infirmity, intreat, lay to, put to pain, × pray, make prayer, be (fall, make) sick, sore, be sorry, make suit (× supplication), woman in travail, be (become) weak, be wounded.

the people:
a people (as a congregated unit); specifically, a tribe (as those of Israel); hence (collectively) troops or attendants; figuratively, a flock:—folk, men, nation, people.

that dwell:
to dwell, remain, sit, abide

therein shall be forgiven:
to lift, bear up, carry, take
to lift, lift up
to bear, carry, support, sustain, endure
to take, take away, carry off, forgive

their iniquity:
perversity, depravity, iniquity, guilt or punishment of iniquity
guilt of iniquity, guilt (as great), guilt (of condition)
consequence of or punishment for iniquity

Isa 33:24 And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.

Amen

 

[Ziggy]

not sure if you have already mentioned Isaiah 33:20-24? Curious with your study if you have a perspective on: “Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken. [21] But there the glorious Lord will be unto us a place of broad rivers and streams; wherein shall go no galley with oars, neither shall gallant ship pass thereby. [22] For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king; he will save us. [23] Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey. [24] And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein shall be forgiven their iniquity.”

Isa 45:14 Thus saith the LORD, The labour of Egypt, and merchandise of Ethiopia and of the Sabeans, men of stature, shall come over unto thee, and they shall be thine: they shall come after thee; in chains they shall come over, and they shall fall down unto thee, they shall make supplication unto thee, saying, Surely God is in thee; and there is none else, there is no God.

Jhn 2:16 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.

HAHA..
I suppose it depends on what side of the river one is standing on.
What I see happen in the next verses is actually a blessing and not a curse.
But again, I suppose it depends where one stores their treasures..

Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Rev 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
Rev 18:13 And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.
Rev 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.
Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
Rev 18:16 And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!
Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
Rev 18:18 And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

Who is doing the crying though?
The ones losing the money.

You remember the adulterous woman, and everybody was ready to cast stones and kill her.
vs.
The brazen prostitute.. Jezebel

In the end.. God wins.

And Jesus said:
go and sin no more.

Hugs

 

[quietthinker]

I did a study a long time ago about the meanings of the names in the Bible.
Today I want to look at Javan.
In the book of Daniel, there is a verse regarding the "ships of Chittim"
Chittim is Kittim in Hebrew. I found Kittim is a son of Javan.
And so my study begins:

Gen 10:1 Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah,
Shem, Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
Gen 10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
Gen 10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
Gen 10:4 And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
Gen 10:5 By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.

Noah: Noah = "rest"
The waters of Noah.. the flood.

Shem = "name"
the eldest son of Noah and progenitor of the Semitic tribes

Ham = "hot"
2nd son of Noah, father of Canaan and of various peoples which were inhabitants of southern lands
in late usage, a collective name for Egyptians

Japheth = "opened"
the 3rd son of Noah whose descendants after the flood settled on the coastal lands of the Mediterranean spreading north into Europe and parts of Asia

The sons of Japheth are those Gentile tribes that filled the lands of the coasts of the Mediterranean, into Europe and parts of Asia.

Gomer = "complete"
the eldest son of Japheth and grandson of Noah; the progenitor of the early Cimmerians and other branches of the Celtic family

Magog = "land of Gog"
the 2nd son of Japheth, grandson of Noah, and progenitor of several tribes northward from Israel
the mountainous region between Cappadocia and Media and habitation of the descendants of Magog, son of Japheth and grandson of Noah

Media or Medes or Madai = "middle land"
a people descended from the son of Japheth and who inhabited the territory of Media
land inhabited by the descendants of Japheth; located northwest of Persia proper, south and southwest of the Caspian Sea, east of Armenia and Assyria, and west and northwest of the great salt desert of Iram

Javan = "Ionia" or "Greece"
Greece, Ionia, Ionians
probably from the same as H3196; effervescing (i.e. hot and active);

Tubal = "thou shall be brought"
a region in east Asia Minor

Mesech or Meshech = "drawing out"
descendants of Mesech often mentioned in connection with Tubal, Magog, and other northern nations including the Moschi, a people on the borders of Colchis and Armenia

Tiras = "desire"
son of Japheth and grandson of Noah
"only says a northern nation"

next..

Oh those chips of shittim.....should I stay in calm harbours or head out to sea? Do more fish need frying or do the nets need mending?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

@Ronald David Bruno Hey, no problem, Sir! (I'm not a mod in any case.) Keep praying for the new granddaughter, anyway...

Thanks, she is healthy -9lbs. 13 oz. Wow

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I changed it..
sorry for the confusion.
HUGS

My fault, the thread was in "Worthy Christian Forums". I go back and forth and so you really didnt have to change it - fits. Interesting study.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Your study brings to mind a study of names I learned a long time ago from brilliant scholar, Chuck Missler.
The Gospel is amazingly concealed in the meaning of the names from Adam to Noah:
Hebrew English
Adam = Man
Seth = Appointed
Enosh = Mortal
Kenan = Sorrow;
Mahalalel = The Blessed God
Jared = Shall come down
Enoch = Teaching
Methuselah = His death shall bring
Lamech = The Despairing
Noah = Rest, or comfort

Now read it as in two or three sentences. It is like a brief summary from Creation to Christ.

Thought you might like that.

 

[Ziggy]

Soggy, your study brings to mind a study of names I learned a long time ago from brilliant scholar, Chuck Missler.
The Gospel is amazingly concealed in the meaning of the names from Adam to Noah:
Hebrew English
Adam = Man
Seth = Appointed
Enosh = Mortal
Kenan = Sorrow;
Mahalalel = The Blessed God
Jared = Shall come down
Enoch = Teaching
Methuselah = His death shall bring
Lamech = The Despairing
Noah = Rest, or comfort

Now read it as in two or three sentences. It is like a brief summary from Creation to Christ.

Thought you might like that.

I enjoy Chuck Missler. I used to listen to his teachings .
Do I seem Soggy?

Aw well, better than dry bones
Thank You
HUGS

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Do I seem Soggy?

Aw well, better the dry bones
Thank You
HUGS

I’ve had a bad day and haven’t laughed until your “do I seem Soggy?” Surely an innocent mistake. That you caught it and your nature about it...I couldn’t help but smile.

 

[Waiting on him]

Isaiah 33:23 KJV
[23] Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey.

 

[Ziggy]

Isaiah 33:23 KJV
[23] Thy tacklings are loosed; they could not well strengthen their mast, they could not spread the sail: then is the prey of a great spoil divided; the lame take the prey.

NLT:
The enemies’ sails hang loose
on broken masts with useless tackle.
Their treasure will be divided by the people of God.
Even the lame will take their share!

 

[Waiting on him]

NLT:
The enemies’ sails hang loose
on broken masts with useless tackle.
Their treasure will be divided by the people of God.
Even the lame will take their share!

It’s really kinda creepy, you see his word like my wife does. I’m wandering how many more of you there are.

 

[Ziggy]

It’s really kinda creepy, you see his word like my wife does. I’m wandering how many more of you there are.

It's in the "thy"
Who is he talking to?
the ones with the ships. The galant ships.. all bringing their material goods to seduce and lead away.
They are not the real treasures.. for our treasure is in the tent with the stakes that are unmoveable, with the Lord.

That's how I hear it..
HUGS

 

[Waiting on him]

It's in the "thy"
Who is he talking to?
the ones with the ships. The galant ships.. all bringing their material goods to seduce and lead away.
They are not the real treasures.. for our treasure is in the tent with the stakes that are unmoveable, with the Lord.
He is the anchor of our soul.
He is the anchor of our soul.

That's how I hear it..
HUGS

I remember about four years ago she woke in the middle of the night and said “peg”. I was like what?!

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I enjoy Chuck Missler. I used to listen to his teachings .
Do I seem Soggy?

Aw well, better than dry bones
Thank You
HUGS

No, slip of fingers, this tiny phone keyboard does it to me all the time.

 

[Ziggy]

What I didn't know until today was that Rome had been roaming and claiming land and sea for quite awhile before Jesus was born.
These would probably be the days inbetween the OT and the NT...
Age of Darkness.. before the dawning of a new DAY.

The King of Rome (Latin: Rex Romae) was the chief magistrate of the Roman Kingdom.[1] According to legend, the first king of Rome was Romulus, who founded the city in 753 BC upon the Palatine Hill. Seven legendary kings are said to have ruled Rome until 509 BC, when the last king was overthrown. These kings ruled for an average of 35 years.

The kings after Romulus were not known to be dynasts and no reference is made to the hereditary principle until after the fifth king Tarquinius Priscus. Consequently, some have assumed that the Tarquins and their attempt to institute a hereditary monarchy over this conjectured earlier elective monarchy resulted in the formation of the republic.

King of Rome - Wikipedia

According to Livy, after the immigration of the Sabines and the Albans to Rome, the original Romans lived on the Palatine.[12] The Palatne Hill was also the site of the ancient festival of the Lupercalia.

Many affluent Romans of the Republican period (c.509 BC – 44 BC) had their residences there.

From the start of the Empire (27 BC) Augustus built his palace there and the hill gradually became the exclusive domain of emperors; the ruins of the palaces of at least Augustus (27 BC – 14 AD), Tiberius (14 – 37 AD) and Domitian (81 – 96 AD) can still be seen.

Augustus also built a temple to Apollo here.

The great fire of 64 AD destroyed Nero's palace, the Domus Transitoria, but he replaced it by 69 AD with the even larger Domus Aurea over which was eventually built Domitian's Palace [13]

Palatine Hill - Wikipedia