The sons of God

[Zao is life]

In Ezekiel 28:16-17, it describes the king of Tyrus as a cherub (an angel) that God is going to destroy, and also cast him to the ground (down to earth), and expose him before kings, that they will actually see him.

In Revelation 12:7-9, Satan will be cast down to earth.

So there is plenty of biblical evidence that the king of Tyrus is a code name for Satan.

1. There is plenty of biblical evidence that Tyrus is the name of a a city

All the kings of Tyrus, and all the kings of Zidon, and the kings of the isles which are beyond the sea, -- Jeremiah 25:22 (KJV)

All the kings of Tyre, all the kings of Sidon; all the kings of the coastlands along the sea; (Jeremiah 25:22 [NETfree])

2. In Revelation 12:7-9, Satan was cast down to earth - when Jesus ascended to heaven.

3. Tyre / Tyrus was a city on earth, and it was not the holy mountain of God, and God's prophet (as prophets so often did) was using analogy and allegory comparing the glory of the king of Tyre to his fall, and Satan is not even mentioned:

Ezekiel 28:12 "Son of man, sing a lament for the king of Tyre .."

The king of Tyre was not Satan. Satan was not the king of Tyre.

".. and say to him, 'This is what the sovereign LORD says:"'You were [analogy and allegory starts here - and this is a song of lament] the sealer of perfection, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God. Every precious stone was your covering, the ruby, topaz, and emerald, the chrysolite, onyx, and jasper, the sapphire, turquoise, and beryl; your settings and mounts were made of gold. On the day you were created they were prepared. I placed you there with an anointed guardian cherub; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked about amidst fiery stones. You were blameless in your behavior from the day you were created, until sin was discovered in you. In the abundance of your trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned; so I defiled you and banished you from the mountain of God - the guardian cherub expelled you from the midst of the stones of fire." (Ezekiel 28:12-16 [NETfree])

4. A cherub is a specific type of angel in scripture, which

(a) Guards the way to the tree of life; and
(b) Covers the mercy seat (lid of Atonement) in the Tabernacle of God, where the life Himself - the presence of God Himself - appeared.

The (human) king of Tyre (the subject of Ezekiel 28) was not a cherub - and neither is Satan. The prophet was using analogy and allegory comparing the glory of the king of Tyre to his fall, and Satan is not even mentioned.

 

[Zao is life]

Once again you give nothing but opinion! I understand why, because you cannot biblically show how I have not spoken truth. I'm not interested in your opinions! If you cannot use Scripture to support your opinions, why do you try to participate in Bible forums you appear to have little knowledge of!

Once again you @rwb give nothing but opinion! I understand why, because you cannot biblically show how I have not spoken truth. I'm not interested in your opinions! If you cannot use Scripture to support your opinions, why do you try to participate in Bible forums you appear to have little knowledge of!

 

[Zao is life]

I can try to answer your questions. But I can not study, or understand any specific single point for you.
I can tell you How I study, picking one specific topic…cross referencing every text in context, of who, what, when, where, why, it applies to…reading, note taking, charts making, re-Reading… the knowledge…
Then…importantly…Praying to the Lord God, for its meaning /understanding…
Then…Wait…for His answer.

The reason I ask you specific questions is because you first made an assumption that Lucifer is Satan, and then you looked to the Bible to prove what you assume. That's not how to learn FROM the Bible, it is reading into the Bible.

The last person @Taken will ever learn from is you - because you have made a lot of assumptions that are not true and then read them into the biblical texts - starting with Genesis 2:16-17 - which you have blasphemously asserted God did not intend for Adam to obey because (according to you) before the foundation of the earth He had planned for Adam to disobey "so that (according to you) He could bring good out of evil"

- and from then on for the rest of scripture you continue to insert your own false assumptions into scripture, and then assert that you "have shown biblically" that the false ideas that you inserted scripture, are biblical.

- and then you say that the person who showed you from scripture why what you say isn't true, has not shown biblically why what you have asserted into scripture is not true.

You are the very last person who can teach anyone else how to study scripture in these forums - by telling them not to do what you yourself do.

 

[rwb]

The last person @Taken will ever learn from is you - because you have made a lot of assumptions that are not true and then read them into the biblical texts - starting with Genesis 2:16-17 - which you have blasphemously asserted God did not intend for Adam to obey because (according to you) before the foundation of the earth He had planned for Adam to disobey "so that (according to you) He could bring good out of evil"

Answer the questions, if God did not believe A&E would disobey Him why did God provide a remedy for sin and death through the slain Lamb from before the foundation of the world? Why did God create A&E without the knowledge of good or evil?

GOD DID NOT PLAN FOR A&E TO DISOBEY HIM, BUT CLEARLY, HE KNEW THEY WOULD AND HE PROVIDED A WAY OF ESCAPE FOR THEM...WHY?

Sadly, Taken believes that Satan is a fallen angel who was equal to God before his fall, making the created to be as God. Which is why I've decided to ignore this person!

 

[Taken]

@rwb

In your opinion…
Who is Lucifer?


Isa 14:
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

 

[rwb]

Once again you @rwb give nothing but opinion! I understand why, because you cannot biblically show how I have not spoken truth. I'm not interested in your opinions! If you cannot use Scripture to support your opinions, why do you try to participate in Bible forums you appear to have little knowledge of!

It is you who can only answer with opinions! Because YOU cannot biblically prove I have not spoken truth! Your answer here proves my point! Quoting what I said to you, because you cannot biblically refute.

 

[The Light]

@rwb

In your opinion…
Who is Lucifer?


Isa 14:
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Again. Lucifer is a translation error. The word "lucifer" is a Latin word meaning "light bearer" Why is a Latin word put into an English translation?

Isaiah 14 is talking about Nimrod who is the Babylonian king and the Assyrian. Nimrod will be the 8th king in the future. He is the eighth that is of the seven.

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

How many mummy movies are they going have to make before Satan's plan is understood? Satan always reveals his plan.

Revelation 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

In the Babylonian religion which is the false religion that has spread all over the world, the sun god is a male god who is Nimrod. Nimrod at his death is claimed to be the sun.

Isaiah 14
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Nimrod will come again. He is the 8th king, the beast of the sea, that was and is not and will come again.

FYI. In Islam, the moon god is the male god, which is why there is a crescent moon on top of their Mosques.

 

[Taken]

Again. Lucifer is a translation error. The word "lucifer" is a Latin word meaning "light bearer" Why is a Latin word put into an English translation?

A morning star IS a “light bearer”.
Lucifer was a created and made morning star.

Lucifer’s own FREEWILL, foiled the greatness of a holy servant he could have been

Isaiah 14 is talking about Nimrod who is the Babylonian king and the Assyrian. Nimrod will be the 8th king in the future. He is the eighth that is of the seven.

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

How many mummy movies are they going have to make before Satan's plan is understood? Satan always reveals his plan.

Revelation 17
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

In the Babylonian religion which is the false religion that has spread all over the world, the sun god is a male god who is Nimrod. Nimrod at his death is claimed to be the sun.

Isaiah 14
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Nimrod will come again. He is the 8th king, the beast of the sea, that was and is not and will come again.

FYI. In Islam, the moon god is the male god, which is why there is a crescent moon on top of their Mosques.

Ancestry…
Noah, Ham, Cush, Nimrod…

Where does Scripture speak of Nimrod…being a Babylonian Empire king?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

He's trying to see if you know where evil came from. Can you just stop acting like a child and answer his simple question? Your evasiveness says a lot about your beliefs. You clearly are not confident about your beliefs or else you would just answer the simple questions that you are asked instead of asking a question in response rather than just answering the question.

from whence did evil spring .
lets see .
First allow me a question .
IS it evil for GOD to desire all glory , the preemience , the worship . NO SIR .
is it evil for the created to desire such . YES SIR .
Satan , or lucifer was not CREATED EVIL , nor was man .
but had rather choice and chose wrong .
For it is not evil for the ONE WHO CREATED ALL to DESIRE TO BE LORD over all .
But it darn sure is for the created . the created OUGHT TO PUT GOD ABOVE ALL and be humble
and thankful unto HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

@rwb

In your opinion…
Who is Lucifer?


Isa 14:
[12] How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

el diablo is who lucifer is my friend .
And what people do not seem to realize is
That HE worketh through men of this world .

 

[Taken]

el diablo is who lucifer is my friend .

WOW… a bold confession.

And what people do not seem to realize is
That HE worketh through men of this world .

Lucifer…has a new name, his own agenda, and certainly is hot on the trail seeking men OF this world to be his friend and follower.

 

[The Light]

A morning star IS a “light bearer”.
Lucifer was a created and made morning star.

Lucifer’s own FREEWILL, foiled the greatness of a holy servant he could have been

You are off the trail. Isaiah 14 is talking about a man, Nimrod.

Ancestry…
Noah, Ham, Cush, Nimrod…

Where does Scripture speak of Nimrod…being a Babylonian Empire king?

Nimrod is spoken of as the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14. In the future the king of Babylon will come to power again.

Isaiah 14
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

In the end, the fir trees and the cedars of Lebanon will rejoice and say since thou are laid down no feller is come up against us. That is "no tree feller" has come against us. No one is cutting down all the fir trees, nor the cedars of Lebanon.

Who cut down the cedars of Lebanon?

Why are the fir trees being cut down continually since long before Christ was born?

You might to need to understand the following to know the answer.

Jeremiah 10
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.

4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.

5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

You are barking up the wrong tree about Lucifer being Satan. I showed you the translation from the Hebrew. There is no mention of Satan in Isaiah 14. There is only mention of a man who is the king of Babylon. This man is considered the DAY STAR, the sun..........BAAL, who is Nimrod.

 

[Taken]

You are off the trail. Isaiah 14 is talking about a man, Nimrod.


Nimrod is spoken of as the King of Babylon in Isaiah 14. In the future the king of Babylon will come to power again.

Isaiah 14
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

You forgot to post a Scripture identifying Nimrod being king of Babylon.

Lucifer being Satan. I showed you the translation from the Hebrew. There is no mention of Satan in Isaiah 14.

There is only mention of a man who is the king of Babylon. This man is considered the DAY STAR, the sun..........BAAL, who is Nimrod.

Can you quote any passage in ISAIAH that mentions…
Nimrod
Baal
That Nimrod is Baal
The king of Babylons name
The king of Babylon is the DAY STAR, the sun
And the …
The Book, Title and Original Hebrew Text
and
Book, Title and Translation regarding your claim ?

 

[The Light]

You forgot to post a Scripture identifying Nimrod being king of Babylon.

Oh no. I didn't forget. I'll repost it for you. The problem is not the scripture identifying Nimrod as the king of Babylon. The problem is your lack of understanding of the scripture. When you figure out why they have been cutting down fir trees and decorating them with silver and gold since long, long before the birth of Christ, then you just might understand the scripture.

Isaiah 14
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

It's like we are reading a book and you claiming that the book is talking about a certain person. I tell you no, the book is talking about John Wilkes Booth. You say the name John Wilkes Booth is not in the book. I say the books says "the man who shot President Lincoln. The FACT that you do not understand who shot President Lincoln do not change the fact that John Wilkes Booth did. Nor does the fact that the fir trees and cedars of Lebanon rejoice when they are no longer cut down. The fact that you do not understand why does not change the fact that Nimrod is who is being talked about.

Can you quote any passage in ISAIAH that mentions…
Nimrod
Baal
That Nimrod is Baal
The king of Babylons name

If you started with a proper translation of Isaiah 14 that might help.

If you went to the internet it would be easy to see that Nimrod is considered Baal and that both are considered the sun or day star. What do you think that most of the religions of the world are all about. Most have a false trinity with the sun being the male deity no matter what name is given. Most of the religions of the world originate from the Babylonian religion which has blinded the world with a false savior.

The king of Babylon is the DAY STAR, the sun
And the …
The Book, Title and Original Hebrew Text
and
Book, Title and Translation regarding your claim ?

I already posted the text that shows the translation error. This is fact. If you want to deny the fact you can continue to believe that verses in Isaiah 14 are talking about Satan. Of course, I posted the verse that shows that Isaiah 14 is talking about a MAN, but it seems you are not interested in the facts or Biblical truth.

 

[amigo de christo]

WOW… a bold confession.




Lucifer…has a new name, his own agenda, and certainly is hot on the trail seeking men OF this world to be his friend and follower.

lucifer has a new name indeed . but its still the ol serpent , that ol dragon .
He has him a harlot too . And she has poured her fathers drink of ecumenical interfaith unto many tribes indeed .

 

[Taken]

Oh no. I didn't forget. I'll repost it for you. The problem is not the scripture identifying Nimrod as the king of Babylon. The problem is your lack of understanding of the scripture. When you figure out why they have been cutting down fir trees and decorating them with silver and gold since long, long before the birth of Christ, then you just might understand the scripture.

Isaiah 14
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

It's like we are reading a book and you claiming that the book is talking about a certain person. I tell you no, the book is talking about John Wilkes Booth. You say the name John Wilkes Booth is not in the book. I say the books says "the man who shot President Lincoln.

The FACT that you do not understand who shot President Lincoln do not change the fact that John Wilkes Booth did. Nor does the fact that the fir trees and cedars of Lebanon rejoice when they are no longer cut down. The fact that you do not understand why does not change the fact that Nimrod is who is being talked about.


If you started with a proper translation of Isaiah 14 that might help.

And… you referenced the source but gave no identification of the reference or quote from your reference.

]If you went to the internet it would be easy to see that Nimrod is considered Baal and that both are considered the sun or day star.

Oh… is that where YOU get your information?

What do you think that most of the religions of the world are all about.

Faith.

Most have a false trinity with the sun being the male deity no matter what name is given. Most of the religions of the world originate from the Babylonian religion which has blinded the world with a false savior.

I’ve heard people claim tens of thousands of Religions…
Can you identify which ones you are you talking about?

I already posted the text that shows the translation error.

The fact is I asked you straight forward easy questions about your claims, so I could verify what you are claiming…

If you want to deny the fact you can continue to believe that verses in Isaiah 14 are talking about Satan.

Of course I can believe as I wish, same as you.
Why did you not give me the sources for verifying your claims ?

[QUOTE{Of course, I posted the verse that shows that Isaiah 14 is talking about a MAN,

A Man…
Isaiah 14 mentions…
Jacob
Lucifer
king Ahaz

but it seems you are not interested in the facts or Biblical truth.

False accusation.

The fact is I am not interested in claims, names you name, that can not be verified, in Scripture you cite….

 

[Taken]

lucifer has a new name indeed . but its still the ol serpent , that ol dragon .
He has him a harlot too . And she has poured her fathers drink of ecumenical interfaith unto many tribes indeed .

Lucifer was not a serpent or dragon…
But good to know while you busy yourself telling others your opinion on interfaith…
Your friend is the Devil…

 

[amigo de christo]

And… you referenced the source but gave no identification of the reference or quote from your reference.



Oh… is that where YOU get your information?



Faith.



I’ve heard people claim tens of thousands of Religions…
Can you identify which ones you are you talking about?




The fact is I asked you straight forward easy questions about your claims, so I could verify what you are claiming…



Of course I can believe as I wish, same as you.
Why did you not give me the sources for verifying your claims ?

[QUOTE{Of course, I posted the verse that shows that Isaiah 14 is talking about a MAN,

taken , my near and my dear one , i am afraid we must make something real clear about
ONE of you answers .
When they asked you what do you THINK most of the religoins are about .
And you said faith , The question now is , FAITH IN WHAT , cause IT DARN SURE AINT GOD . them CHRIST REJEcTING
religoins HAVE NO FAITH IN GOD . lets make that abundantely crystal clear .
Muhammed saves none , his false anti christ religoin of islam saves none
nor does buddism , new age , or any other ism . they all stuck in the same darkness under bondage of satan
THAT WE ALL WERE , BEFORE CHRIST FREED US . they serve their father the devil .
AND ITS WHY the gospel must be PUT FIRST AGAIN in every single place that names the Name of JESUS .
IT BE FAITH IN HE AND HE ALONE that saves .
Go on , go on an dtake a good long look at what i just wrote .
BUT before i get accused of being a hater and judgmental and a monster .
Ask yourself . WHO IS GOOD , but GOD ALONE . and thus GUESS WHO EVERYONE NEEDS to be saved
WHY ITS JESUS CHRIST , FAITH IN HIM . no man , no woman and no sold out digitgal ecumeincal govt
GONNA SHUT MY LIPS UP about FAITH IN JESUS . and if i die , DONT WEEP for me , WEEP FOR THEM . cAUSE i pointed TO JESUS
not an anti christ lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

Lucifer was not a serpent or dragon…
But good to know while you busy yourself telling others your opinion on interfaith…
Your friend is the Devil…

lets examine who is the friend of the devil .
Is it me
or interafaith interreligious dialagoue .
WELL I SAY , ONLY JESUS saves and that one MUST absolutely bleieve on HIM to b e saved .
Interreligious interfaith dialgoue says
NOPE . that i LIE . that in fact EVERY SINGLE religoin knows and serves and b leieves in THE SAME GOD
we do . And that OUR GOD , aka OUR JESUS CHRIST
Is not better than their god . OOPSY . i aint the anti christ taken .
THEY ARE . and they do their fathers will who is satan . As for me
I PONT ONLY TO JESUS . so you figure out who is freind of satan . its yalls ecumeincal whore that is . get everone out of her
intefaith now .

 

[Taken]

taken , my near and my dear one , i am afraid we must make something real clear about
ONE of you answers .
When they asked you what do you THINK most of the religoins are about .

And you said faith , The question now is , FAITH IN WHAT ,

Roughly…of world population
Most notable.
30% Christ
25% Muhammad
5% Buddha
40% multiple gods, beliefs, or none.