THE TWO GOSPEL HERESY

[Lambano]

Not a "salvation" issue. IMHO

Mmm. So, if it doesn't have anything to do with keeping my cute little butt out of Hell, it's irrelevant?

(That wasn't fair, and I need to repent.)

 

[Lambano]

Jesus said "the KOG is within you".

Bad translation. Entos with the genitive would be "in the midst of". "The Kingdom of God is in the midst of y'all". ("You" being plural here.)

 

[St. SteVen]

Mmm. So, if it doesn't have anything to do with keeping my cute little butt out of Hell, it's irrelevant?

(That wasn't fair, and I need to repent.)

It's very relevant if you want to be plugged into the power source of the Holy Spirit.
It is irrelevant if all you want from God is to keep your butt out of hell.
(the danger being how God feels about those who only came to him out of fear)

--- PARODY ---

Scene at the Pearly Gates.

St. Peter: Why are you here?
New Arrival: My church told me how to avoid hell.
St. Peter: How's that?
New Arrival: If I did what they told me to.
St. Peter: So, your motivation was fear?
New Arrival: I suppose you could say that.
St. Peter: What if that motivation is not valid?
New Arrival: Not valid?
St. Peter: Maybe we are looking for something more.
New Arrival: Like what?
St. Peter: Like a personal relationship with Jesus.
New Arrival: What's that?

Yikes!

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[MatthewG]

There is only one good news I know of. That is that Yeshua, paid and taken care of all peoples sins, died on the cross, and was risen in justification of this by his Father's Holy Spirit. This good news had a lot within the context in that generation, concerning the Lord Yeshua coming back, and promises which were made to them. Today, the great news is the victory of Christ has been had over all things, and its now a choice to have faith in God and follow after him or choose not to because even hell has been done away. People have the choice to desire to be within the kingdom, through faith, or outside the kingdom through non-faith. All of us will be judged, and rewards met out as Yahavah will.View attachment 52482 There is only one good message, or "Gospel."

This is simply the truth. There is only one gospel message. There are people who believe in dual prophecies. I typically disagree but do not consider them not believers in the gospel message.

 

[Behold]

Bad translation.

Notice this..

"God is A Spirit".. and "Jesus is THAT Spirit".

This is the KOG, as THEY are the KOG, and that is why Jesus told us that the KOG is not Material..."meat or drink".. and that is why its born again "within you"....= when Jesus comes to abide in spiritual union with the Believer, which puts them 'IN CHRIST"< = in the KOG.

Here is how a CHRISTian is located within the KOG.

by becoming "the temple of the Holy Spirit".

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Nope,nope, nope.
acts 4

31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
elieved were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

They SPOKE THROUGH THE HOLY GHOST.

your deal has them speaking some bogus doctrine and false gospel through the Holy Ghost.
You have the Holy Ghost in need of teaching by Paul.

You two …it’s like watching a tennis match where y’all smack the ball back and forth. It’s hard to keep up.

I have a few questions. Questions that keep me questioning which one of you are correct, if either of you are.

1) Why did Jesus speak prior to the crucifix of it only being for the Jews? For example …when the Samaritan woman who came in to ask for bread. Jesus tells her it’s not meet to cast the children’s bread to dogs. Her response that even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the masters table. To me …this was prior to Him crucified, prior to the message going to the gentiles. He spoke of her faith to come to Him as Lord. Him being that bread given of the master. We know it was going to others, but at the point Jesus even said some harsh things about it being only to the Jews first. His fulfillment of “to the Jew First” it’s their rejection in crucifying Him, that “now I go to others”
Point is…I can see the point that prior to the crucifixion it was that written on stones. The New Testament—My body broken for you —not written in stones but written on hearts.

Priors to the death, burial and resurrection…it was through the flesh for still yet no way had yet been made manifest until Christ who opened the way to God by and through Him.

2) when Jesus Christ spoke of they had not heard His Voice at anytime nor the Voice of the Prophets. There were those Prophets which were not false Prophets for what they spoke of beforehand “Christ crucified” did come to pass. And also the house God builds on the foundation of Christ which foundation no other man can lay…the disciples, apostles, the prophets of old who spoke beforehand of Him who would come. Point is…what is spoken of being laid in the foundation of Christ is also the prophets of old and the disciples not just Paul.

Yet they saw the Grace of Christ that should come to you.> 1 Peter 1:10-13 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: [11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. [12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. [13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Hard to receive, hard to bear …many turning away from Him offended in this: not unto themselves they preach, but it’s for another. Paul knew this also. Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
2 Corinthians 4:11-14 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. [12] So then death works in us, but life in you. [13] We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; [14] Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
Yes…hard to bear. How many would walk away of its not unto themselves they preach? Peter was surely going to be converted, for Jesus Christ told Peter, when you return “strengthen your brothers.”

It’s beautiful really when we think of “waiting on the Lord” and how they knew it wasn’t to them but far off given unto others through, their beforehand telling of Him who would come.
‘Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister (hard to bear, hard to receive) the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven;’

How did they not grow greedy for selfish gain? How did they not get offended that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister. (And they killed them). That had to be the Spirit of God, for Christ is like that also “not unto himself, but unto us He did minister”(and they killed Him) …revealing the Father, who is the same “not unto himself, but unto us He did minister” —they killed any God sent…hating the Father, and the Son.
Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.


It makes me think of the generation after generation now that speaks of end-times as if it has to happen in their time. Minsters unto themselves. Here the Prophets of old it was revealed unto them, the Grace that would follow His Resurrection was to others. Yet with patience they excepted and waited for it. Content and trusting that it wasn’t to themselves they preached, but to others. I don’t think that makes them false but True.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You two …it’s like watching a tennis match where y’all smack the ball back and forth. It’s hard to keep up.

I have a few questions. Questions that keep me questioning which one of you are correct, if either of you are.

1) Why did Jesus speak prior to the crucifix of it only being for the Jews? For example …when the Samaritan woman who came in to ask for bread. Jesus tells her it’s not meet to cast the children’s bread to dogs. Her response that even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the masters table. To me …this was prior to Him crucified, prior to the message going to the gentiles. He spoke of her faith to come to Him as Lord. Him being that bread given of the master. We know it was going to others, but at the point Jesus even said some harsh things about it being only to the Jews first. His fulfillment of “to the Jew First” it’s their rejection in crucifying Him, that “now I go to others”
Point is…I can see the point that prior to the crucifixion it was that written on stones. The New Testament—My body broken for you —not written in stones but written on hearts.

Priors to the death, burial and resurrection…it was through the flesh for still yet no way had yet been made manifest until Christ who opened the way to God by and through Him.

2) when Jesus Christ spoke of they had not heard His Voice at anytime nor the Voice of the Prophets. There were those Prophets which were not false Prophets for what they spoke of beforehand “Christ crucified” did come to pass. And also the house God builds on the foundation of Christ which foundation no other man can lay…the disciples, apostles, the prophets of old who spoke beforehand of Him who would come. Point is…what is spoken of being laid in the foundation of Christ is also the prophets of old and the disciples not just Paul.

Yet they saw the Grace of Christ that should come to you.> 1 Peter 1:10-13 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: [11] Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. [12] Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. [13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Hard to receive, hard to bear …many turning away from Him offended in this: not unto themselves they preach, but it’s for another. Paul knew this also. Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
2 Corinthians 4:11-14 For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. [12] So then death works in us, but life in you. [13] We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; [14] Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you.
Yes…hard to bear. How many would walk away of its not unto themselves they preach? Peter was surely going to be converted, for Jesus Christ told Peter, when you return “strengthen your brothers.”

It’s beautiful really when we think of “waiting on the Lord” and how they knew it wasn’t to them but far off given unto others through, their beforehand telling of Him who would come.
‘Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister (hard to bear, hard to receive) the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven;’

How did they not grow greedy for selfish gain? How did they not get offended that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister. (And they killed them). That had to be the Spirit of God, for Christ is like that also “not unto himself, but unto us He did minister”(and they killed Him) …revealing the Father, who is the same “not unto himself, but unto us He did minister” —they killed any God sent…hating the Father, and the Son.
Hebrews 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.


It makes me think of the generation after generation now that speaks of end-times as if it has to happen in their time. Minsters unto themselves. Here the Prophets of old it was revealed unto them, the Grace that would follow His Resurrection was to others. Yet with patience they excepted and waited for it. Content and trusting that it wasn’t to themselves they preached, but to others. I don’t think that makes them false but True.

The argument is very simple. I am addressing what is called the hyper Pauline only Doctrine. These people think that only Paul was commissioned to the gentiles and that Peter and James and John and even Jesus himself offered some other kind of gospel that was tied to some Kingdom that they invented. So knowing what these people believe, I am here offering the truth and exposing how bogus and unscriptural their deal is.
so when you read all this back and forth argument ,that's what you need to keep in mind.
IOW, they are FORCED to reveal a bogus "end game".
Essentially, if Jesus and Peter were inspired by the Holy Spirit, and that doctrine they preached was bogus, then there has to be confusion in the Holy Spirit himself, or there are 2 Holy Spirits.

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is only one good news I know of. That is that Yeshua, paid and taken care of all peoples sins, died on the cross, and was risen in justification of this by his Father's Holy Spirit. This good news had a lot within the context in that generation, concerning the Lord Yeshua coming back, and promises which were made to them. Today, the great news is the victory of Christ has been had over all things, and its now a choice to have faith in God and follow after him or choose not to because even hell has been done away. People have the choice to desire to be within the kingdom, through faith, or outside the kingdom through non-faith. All of us will be judged, and rewards met out as Yahavah will.View attachment 52482 There is only one good message, or "Gospel."

Yep.
It is as simple as that.
But last days deception is bringing hyper Pauline only error into the mix.
"Paul good"
"Jesus, Peter, James , and John bad."

Very sick and heresy

 

[Lambano]

"Jesus, Peter, James , and John bad."

Not bad; just irrelevant.

Maybe Marcion won after all.

 

[rebuilder 454]

St. SteVen said:
Show me one gospel.
It seems that you have failed to do that.

What's your beef with Paul and his gospel?

What about the gospel of Apollos?

1 Corinthians 3:5 NIV
What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants,
through whom you came to believe—
as the Lord has assigned to each his task.

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No beef whatsoever.
I am as Pauline as the most hyper Pauline.
I do not need Jesus and what he preached diminished and twisted and reframed.
I do not need Peters message twisted and diminished and reframed.
I do not need James message twisted and diminished and reframed.
That is what I am saying, why do they need Jesus leading people into a different gospel and Jesus himself confused as to his mission and is Earthly ministry?
Why do the hyper Pauline's need Peter who was inspired by the Holy Spirit, depicted as giving the church and inferior gospel message?

 

[Lambano]

Maybe Marcion won after all.

Marcion of Sinope was a disciple of Paul. He established the first biblical canon. His "bible" consisted of 10 Pauline epistles, and an abridged version of Luke which is called "the Gospel of Marcion". No OT. No Gospels. Certainly no James. Not even Acts. His claim to fame is his belief that the YHWH of the OT was a vengeful demiurge who was inferior to the God who sent Jesus Christ. (I wonder what Paul would've thought about THAT?)

Marcion was condemned by the early church fathers as a heretic. But parts of his heresy live on today. There are actual Marcionite churches out there.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Not bad; Just irrelevant.

Maybe Marcion won after all.

 

[Lambano]

I see you took the koolaide.
That entity that inspired peter , and he spoke under. Was it the Holy Spirit ?
Or Another confused Holy Spirit?
Or is the Holy Spirit deliberately deceiving folks that read the NT and believe the book is inspired?

You still haven't picked up on what I'm saying, have you?

 

[rebuilder 454]

You still haven't picked up on what I'm saying, have you?

I realized you were speaking sarcastic.
I took it down but not before you addressed the post.
My bad

 

[MatthewG]

Yep.
It is as simple as that.
But last days deception is bringing hyper Pauline only error into the mix.
"Paul good"
"Jesus, Peter, James , and John bad."

Very sick and heresy

Yeah I hate that it’s this way, those who seek truth shall find it and be set free!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Paul preached a different Gospel that if any other gospel (such as Peters) was delivered, Paul cursed that person.?

So is Peters message cursed?
Was the scripture inspired By the Holy Spirit?
Was peter cursed?

Not in the least and Peter ande Paul after Pentecost preached the esame gospel. different emphasis, but same gospel. But their good news was different than what was preached by John the Baptist and Jesus and the disciples before the events of Matt. 12.

 

[Behold]

The argument is very simple. I am addressing what is called the hyper Pauline only Doctrine. These people think that only Paul was commissioned to the gentiles

Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles". in the "time of the Gentiles"....

This means that Paul's Gospel is THE Gospel... as we are still in the ""time of the Gentiles''..

This is why if you or your cult teach any other Gospel, then Paul's.. then you are this......Galatians 1:8

So, when you try to prove that Paul's Gospel is not THE Gospel, as your cult has taught you to believe..... then you have graduated to Galatians 1:8, and your cult caused it to happen to you.

You're there @rebuilder 454

See, No other apostle has this Ministry in the NT. No other apostle is the """Apostle to the Gentiles""' in the "time of the Gentiles".
Its ONLY Paul., and that is why he told you that HIS Gospel is THE ONLY....

Galatians 1:8

So, read these verses below, and then tell them to your Cult, on the way out of the door, and never go back... .NEVER.
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PAUL said...... I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry New Living Translation I am saying all this especially for you Gentiles. God has appointed me as the apostle to the Gentiles. I stress this, English Standard Version Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry Berean Standard Bible I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry Berean Literal Bible Now I am speaking to you the Gentiles. Therefore indeed inasmuch as I am apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, King James Bible For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: New King James Version For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, New American Standard Bible But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Therefore insofar as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry NASB 1995 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, NASB 1977 But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, Legacy Standard Bible But I am speaking to you who are Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle of Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,

 

[VictoryinJesus]

These people think that only Paul was commissioned to the gentiles and that Peter and James and John and even Jesus himself offered some other kind of gospel that was tied to some Kingdom that they invented.

But there is a lesser in glory which was made glory, but has no glory in respect of that which excels in Glory?

2 Corinthians 3:7-16 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away(in Christ): [8] How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? [9] For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more does the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. [10] For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excels. [11] For if that which is done away (in Christ) was glorious, much more that which remains is glorious. [12] Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: [13] And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: [14] But their minds were blinded: for until this day remains the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. [15] But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart(but the work of God is circumcision of the heart, the circumcision made without hands. Where if the circumcision made with hands was glory, how much does the circumcision of Christ for the removal of the covering of the heart excel in Glory). [16] Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.(by the circumcision of Christ, circumcision of the heart.)

1 Corinthians 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, (heavenly —as Christ said He was from above) and bodies terrestrial (earthly) : but the glory of the celestial(heavenly) is one(that God dwells in temples made without hands, the work of God is the circumcision made without hands in the unveiling of the heart, the removal of the foreskin of the heart), and the glory(circumcision of a man’s private member, building a stone temple made with hands) terrestrial(earthly) is another.

There is a lesser promoted in religion to point to the One, the circumcision is made without hands, and whose temple is made without hands or the “the heart is still veiled”.

Was all the commandments in circumcision of the male children’s fleshly foreskin, given of God? Is all the building the temple made with hands as the place for God to dwell…given of God?

I think maybe some other posters question if there were two …one done away with in Christ. Were some of the things the disciples wrestled with …even whether or not to circumcise. Why did they still cast lots to finish out the twelve? Yet never again, are lots cast mentioned. It reminds me of asking fate to pick lottery ticket numbers..rolling of the dice to decide. Why did they cast lots? And not just pray over whom to choose?

Essentially, if Jesus and Peter were inspired by the Holy Spirit, and that doctrine they preached was bogus, then there has to be confusion in the Holy Spirit himself, or there are 2 Holy Spirits.

2 Holy Spirits? I think more like there is the spirit of the antichrist. And the Spirit of God. I don’t think (Imo) the disciples OR Jesus were the spirit of the antichrist. Although before when they tried to stop Him from going to His death…he said “You break My heart” and to Peter a rebuke toward satan, get behind Me.

That is what I am saying, why do they need Jesus leading people into a different gospel and Jesus himself confused as to his mission and is Earthly ministry?

I don’t think He was confused. They were confused. He was clear on “I must go”

Why do the hyper Pauline's need Peter who was inspired by the Holy Spirit, depicted as giving the church and inferior gospel message?

An inferior gospel message …
Still it happens though. Still the rituals and telling people they have to do this and that. Circumcision of babies. Building up a stone temple. The list is endless of even they want to bring animal sacrifice back. The tables and gaudy cups and trinkets …the shewbread…can’t you see it all is made glory …yet done away with by that which excels in Glory(Christ).

I’m not sure about the two gospels or one gospel. It’s hard to ignore the Old Testament spoke of that which is outward to the adorning of men. Who designed it to be so? where it’s give me the tithes, bring the tithe into my storehouse and see if I don’t pour out a blessing on you. Today that is promoted as “if I give five dollars, God promises to increase it (the money) blessing of more, return.” Where it’s as putting money in the bank, and God pays interest back on money deposited into His kingdom. Multiplying it. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard this…even when your asked for money they say “God will bless it and give you more.” It says so…right there in He will pour out a blessing on you if you bring money into His storehouse. I think it’s not money that is brought into His storehouse. I don’t think money is the tithe but there is a gospel that says so. Why did Paul speaks to some as still yet carnal, needing the milk? Why speak of things beneath to reveal things above?

Maybe The disciples did wrestle with this in the beginning for they were angered by the woman who used the precious ointment saying it could have been sold to feed the poor. Jesus told them to leave her alone, she prepared Gim for His death and burial.

What is the spirit of the antichrist?
What is the Holy Spirit?
The question seems to be if the disciples and Jesus were of the spirit of the antichrist. And only Paul was of the Spirit of God. Can’t be .. when the disciples went to the beggar who asked for money, they said they had no money but what they do have, they will give …”stand up and walk”

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I'm wondering if anybody else has come across such of a teaching?

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

They don't understand that Paul did not preach a different Gospel than Jesus Who tells us the teaching of OT Law and prophets ceased when John the Baptist arrived. These false teachers seek to get people to ignore what Jesus taught and then twist what Paul taught in their quest to teach the false doctrines of so called "once saved, always saved"

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

We are told here to withdraw and separate ourselves from these false teachers like Les Feldick and Robert Breaker

 

[Dan Clarkston]

This means that Paul's Gospel is THE Gospel...

No actually the entire New Testament... is THE Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ignore the teachings of the Lord Jesus at your own peril!