The "watch rapture view"

[amigo de christo]

Douggg, you know that not everyone believes that the 70th week is not fulfilled and that it has anything to do with an Antichrist confirming a covenent, right? Why do you assume that any post-trib believes that nonsense?

Wanna see something real simple .
How come both peter and paul
when speaking to the church of the coming of the LORD
speak as though its a one time event .
But that DAY shall not overtake you as a thief .
And notice what peter says
HASTENING unto the COMING of the LORD wherein the heavens and etc
shall be dissoloved . NEVER THE LESS WE LOOK forward to the new heavens and new earth .
CAUSE ITS A ONE TIME EVENT .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation 12:7-9, the war is in the second heaven. Satan was cast out of the third heaven long ago.

In Revelation 12:12, Satan cast down to earth will have great wrath knowing that his time is short. The time/times/half time of Revelation 12:14.

Nonsense. It's clearly talking about the third heaven because that's where the angels are. When it says Satan's time is short, the Greek word means relatively short or limited and not literally short.

 

[amigo de christo]

Nonsense. It's clearly talking about the third heaven because that's where the angels are. When it says Satan's time is short, the Greek word means relatively short or limited and not literally short.

Sheep have bled and died throughout all ages .
What is soon to come upon this last generation
will be the most explosive persecution against the saints . And it wil strike many even within the western societies .
TRIBULATION IS COMING . we dont just read about it
we wont just hear about it in a far off land . ITS COMING EVEN FOR US my friend .
The hour of the great betrayal is at hand
and many even in wool will betray us , delivering us up
to the governing authorities , seen as haters , seen as potential terroist
and seen as a danger to the world and its peace n safety , IS HOW WE WILL BE SEEN .
All who serve the cuymbia god and its inclusive love that has merged the tribes
religoins and hearts of men to meld as one under what all beleive is LOVE and GOD
WILL truly beleive they do THE WILL OF GOD ALL MIGHTY
when sheeps like us GET rounded up .
IF people think this cannot happen , OH ITS GONNA HAPPEN .
and i think SOONER than many realize.
LOOK at the direction its all going now . and many merge for what they beleive
will usher them into world peace n safety . BUT ANTI CHRIST IS ITS HEART and they have no idea
That their lovespel DENIES JESUS CHRIST .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Isn't that what Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul taught, that Christ's future 2nd coming will be after the tribulation?? (Matt.24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; 1 Thess.4:13-17; 2 Thess.2).

Yes, it is.

No amount of your attempting to twist words to fit 'your' personal ideas is going to work against the simplicity of the written Bible Scripture.

I have already shown you from the Book of Daniel that the Antichrist at the middle of that 7 year period will end sacrifices in Jerusalem, and instead setup the "abomination of desolation" idol in a new stone temple there built by the deceived Jews.

And when that AOD is setup after the 1st Half of that 7 year period, at THAT point, after the 1st HALF of 1260 days, is when the "great tribulation" will start. That is what the Scriptures reveal, both in the Book of Daniel and in the Book of Revelation.

That must... mean then, that the 1st HALF of 1260 days will involve the Jew's building of their future 3rd stone temple in Jerusalem, and starting up old covenant worship again with animal sacrifices. (Orthodox ultra-religious Jews in Jerusalem have already been sacrificing animals on their Passover on a hill overlooking the temple mount for decades now.)

You are proving his point relating to post-tribs who think like you do. You would be able to pinpoint the exact day of Christ's return if what you were saying here was true. That does not support the fact that no one knows the day or hour of His coming (Matt 24:36, Matt 25:13) and that He will come unexpectedly as a thief (Matt 24:42-44, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 16:15).

 

[amigo de christo]

Nonsense. It's clearly talking about the third heaven because that's where the angels are. When it says Satan's time is short, the Greek word means relatively short or limited and not literally short.

Marvel not my friend for the time is and is coming
when even many within christendom and the merged religoins
WILL SEE us as no different and no less dangerous than EVEN ISIS .
As extremist , as haters . In fact some are already beginning to say things like this .
I tell us all OUR BETRAYER and OUR BETRAYAL is at hand .
And our betrayer SITS HIGH WITHIN CHRISTENDOM ITSELF .
THIS CAME IN from WITHIN not from without , FROM WITHIN the realm known as christendom .
Our betrayer and betrayers have come cloaked in wool .
But no marvel
Judas too was amongst them as though he was of them .
The betrayer of CHRIST did not come from OUTSIDE
but from within .
And no marvel .

 

[amigo de christo]

Nonsense. It's clearly talking about the third heaven because that's where the angels are. When it says Satan's time is short, the Greek word means relatively short or limited and not literally short.

Remember
what was the number one warning JESUS gave HIS own
and what did both peter and paul write about .
The most dangerous and deadly wolf and deciever
IS the ONE that cometh claoked in wool .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Wanna see something real simple .
How come both peter and paul
when speaking to the church of the coming of the LORD
speak as though its a one time event .
But that DAY shall not overtake you as a thief .
And notice what peter says
HASTENING unto the COMING of the LORD wherein the heavens and etc
shall be dissoloved . NEVER THE LESS WE LOOK forward to the new heavens and new earth .
CAUSE ITS A ONE TIME EVENT .

@amigo de christo

 

[rebuilder 454]

I do not believe that is correct.

The tribulation is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is the 7th seal.

The great tribulation is not the wrath of God. The great tribulation is when Christians are killed for not taking the mark. The wrath of God is God punishing an unbelieving world.

The white horse rider is the ac.
He comes killing. "CONQUERING and to conquer "
Millions die for refusing the mark.
He has a bow in his hand.

He kicks off the 7 yr gt.

 

[The Light]

The white horse rider is the ac.
He comes killing. "CONQUERING and to conquer "
Millions die for refusing the mark.
He has a bow in his hand.

He has a bow in his hand because He is Horus/Apollo the false Christ.

He kicks off the 7 yr gt.

How can the great tribulation be 7 years long when the great tribulation begins in the midst of the week when the AOD is set up?

 

[rebuilder 454]

He has a bow in his hand because He is Horus/Apollo the false Christ.

How can the great tribulation be 7 years long when the great tribulation begins in the midst of the week when the AOD is set up?

Dan9
27 and he shall confirm the
covenant with many for one
week: and in the midst of
the week he shall cause the
sacrifice and the oblation to
cease, and for the
overspreading of
abominations he shall make
[it] desolate, even until the
consummation, and that
determined shall be poured
upon the desolate.

 

[David in NJ]

The white horse rider is the ac.
He comes killing. "CONQUERING and to conquer "
Millions die for refusing the mark.
He has a bow in his hand.

He kicks off the 7 yr gt.

There will not be a 7 year GT

JESUS was "Cut-Off" in the 70th Week = Daniel ch9

@The Light, you pre-tribbers are not suppose to be here = what happened?

 

[rebuilder 454]

There will not be a 7 year GT

JESUS was "Cut-Off" in the 70th Week = Daniel ch9

@The Light, you pre-tribbers are not suppose to be here = what happened?

It says he is cut off after 3.5 yrs.
Exactly as it happened.
Jesus ministry was cut off. And he ascended up to heaven.
It says the AC makes a 7 yr covenant and halfway through he makes the AOD.

YOU, and The Light, say the bible is incorrect.

 

[The Light]

Dan9
27 and he shall confirm the
covenant with many for one
week: and in the midst of
the week he shall cause the
sacrifice and the oblation to
cease, and for the
overspreading of
abominations he shall make
[it] desolate, even until the
consummation, and that
determined shall be poured
upon the desolate.

There is absolutely nothing in this verse that says he great tribulation is 7 years long.

That is impossible as the great tribulation does not start until the midst of the week when the AOD is set up.

Yes, there is a 7 year covenant that the Antichrist will confirm but there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel. That 3.5 years is the time that God deals with the Jews.

Additionally, there is no scripture that says that the Church will be raptured before this 7 year covenant begins. And there is no scripture that says that the covenant is confirmed by the Antichrist when it is made. Several years could pass before that 7 year covenant is confirmed.

 

[The Light]

It says he is cut off after 3.5 yrs.
Exactly as it happened.
Jesus ministry was cut off. And he ascended up to heaven.

Correct.

It says the AC makes a 7 yr covenant and halfway through he makes the AOD.

You must be reading a bad translation. KJV says that the prince that shall come will confirm a 7 year covenant. That does not mean that he makes a 7 year covenant. It means that he confirms a 7 year covenant.

That 7 year covenant could be several years old before the AC confirms it.

YOU, and The Light, say the bible is incorrect.

I'm not saying that the Bible is incorrect. I am saying that your claims do not agree with the written Word of God.

 

[David in NJ]

It says he is cut off after 3.5 yrs.
Exactly as it happened.
Jesus ministry was cut off. And he ascended up to heaven.
It says the AC makes a 7 yr covenant and halfway through he makes the AOD.

YOU, and The Light, say the bible is incorrect.

100% AGREE = It says the AC makes a 7 yr covenant and halfway through he makes the AOD.

Now THINK

 

[rebuilder 454]

100% AGREE = It says the AC makes a 7 yr covenant and halfway through he makes the AOD.

Now THINK

Yes.
It thinks out as it reads.
The AC is the white horse ride. His arrival in power, killing and ruling, starts the 7 yr trib.
3.5 yrs later you have the AOD.
After another 3.5 yrs Jesus returns with the saints.

It thinks out perfectly.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Correct.


You must be reading a bad translation. KJV says that the prince that shall come will confirm a 7 year covenant. That does not mean that he makes a 7 year covenant. It means that he confirms a 7 year covenant.

That 7 year covenant could be several years old before the AC confirms it.


I'm not saying that the Bible is incorrect. I am saying that your claims do not agree with the written Word of God.

3.5 years INTO THE COVENANT, the AC makes the AOD.

It is not some abstract covenant and timetable that somebody personally ascribes outside the AC arrival.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Correct.


You must be reading a bad translation. KJV says that the prince that shall come will confirm a 7 year covenant. That does not mean that he makes a 7 year covenant. It means that he confirms a 7 year covenant.

That 7 year covenant could be several years old before the AC confirms it.


I'm not saying that the Bible is incorrect. I am saying that your claims do not agree with the written Word

Your opinion .

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is absolutely nothing in this verse that says he great tribulation is 7 years long.

That is impossible as the great tribulation does not start until the midst of the week when the AOD is set up.

Yes, there is a 7 year covenant that the Antichrist will confirm but there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel. That 3.5 years is the time that God deals with the Jews.

Additionally, there is no scripture that says that the Church will be raptured before this 7 year covenant begins. And there is no scripture that says that the covenant is confirmed by the Antichrist when it is made. Several years could pass before that 7 year covenant is confirmed.

" .....in the middle of it he sets up the AOD."

In the middle of what?
In the MIDDLE OF THE 7 YR COVENANT.
7 YEARS.

You are making an elaborate change of the bible by emphasis of "trib is not great trib" and "wrath" timetable is what I say it is is

And..." there is no 7 yr period of anything...only a period of time outside of 7 yrs that I have insisted on"

You even minimize the crown and bow the AC has.

I suppose he does not arrive on a white horse, nor does he arrive "conquering and to conquer"
Or maybe those 2 dynamics are "spiritual"?

 

[David in NJ]

Yes.
It thinks out as it reads.
The AC is the white horse ride. His arrival in power, killing and ruling, starts the 7 yr trib.
3.5 yrs later you have the AOD.
After another 3.5 yrs Jesus returns with the saints.

It thinks out perfectly.

Who initiates the 7 year peace treaty with Israel from Daniel 9:26-27

And after the sixty-two weeks
Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself;
And the people of the prince who is to come
Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.
The end of it shall be with a flood,
And till the end of the war desolations are determined.
Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;
But in the middle of the week
He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.
And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate,
Even until the consummation, which is determined,
Is poured out on the desolate.”