The Woman Bound by Satan (Luke 13:10–17)

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Sabé

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I understand why you would want it not to be.

I know why you want it to be, but it's the Christian (Catholic) Church, which comprises over 20 Liturgical Rites, of which the Roman/Latin is only one. So, you just have Google "Liturgical Rites" within the Christian (Catholic) Church and you'll understand.
 

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I know why you want it to be, but it's the Christian (Catholic) Church, which comprises over 20 Liturgical Rites, of which the Roman/Latin is only one. So, you just have Google "Liturgical Rites" within the Christian (Catholic) Church and you'll understand.
I'm not interested in the mother, or her daughters - they all drink from the same cup - as I said - please don't post Romanist dogma here
 

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Willing Blindness (the irony!)

Luke 13:14 But the ruler of the synagogue, indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, said to the people, “There are six days in which work ought to be done. Come on those days and be healed, and not on the Sabbath day.”

The ruler of the synagogue (archisunagogus, meaning enforcer of the rules) did not address Jesus or the healed woman directly (arrogance), but instead spoke to the people (assuming the role of law giver!). Quoting Exodus 20:9, he reminded them that there were “six days in which” work could be done, and then urged, “Come to be healed on those days, and not on the Sabbath.” Ironically, in making this statement, the blind legalist openly admitted that genuine healings were taking place.

This happens only when a religious body elevates its customs and traditions above the Gospel of God.
 

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I'm not interested [...]

And, that's why there is so many misinformed people about the Christian (Catholic) Church.

as I said - please don't post Romanist dogma here

I haven't because a Christian (Catholic) dogma is a truth divinely revealed by God and definitively proposed by the Church for belief, such as the Trinity or the Resurrection of Christ. Rather I corrected an error you made by explaining why the correct name is the "Christian (Catholic) Church", which is a description of the Christian faith and the Church that is universal and guided by the Pope, according to the Christian (Catholic) understanding.
 

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And, that's why there is so many misinformed people about the Christian (Catholic) Church.
So not in communion with the Pope of Rome?...interesting
I haven't because a Christian (Catholic) dogma is a truth divinely revealed by God and definitively proposed by the Church for belief, such as the Trinity or the Resurrection of Christ. Rather I corrected an error you made by explaining why the correct name is the "Christian (Catholic) Church", which is a description of the Christian faith and the Church that is universal and guided by the Pope, according to the Christian (Catholic) understanding.
This is not the thread to discuss your false doctrines sorry - feel free to start another if you so desire.
 
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So not in communion with the Pope of Rome?...interesting

You said that you're not interested in Catholicism, which is why I said it's that attitude which is the cause for so many being misinformed about the Christian (Catholic) Church. The Christian (Catholic) Church is centered in Rome, Italy, and that is where the current Pope, or Head of the Christian (Catholic) Church, resides. The Pope always had many different titles. The Pope is not only the Vicar of Christ but also the Bishop of Rome. This tradition goes back to the holy apostle Peter, who was the first Bishop of Rome after Jesus Christ entrusted him with the task of leading the flock.

This is not the thread to discuss your false doctrines sorry - feel free to start another if you so desire.

First, you're conflating the words "dogma" and "doctrine" within Catholicism (Google the difference). Second, I wasn't discussing any specific dogma or doctrine, but rather correcting your misapplication of the word "dogma" to my correcting your misnaming the Christian (Catholic) Church.
 
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You said that you're not interested in Catholicism, which is why I said it's that attitude which is the cause for so many being misinformed about the Christian (Catholic Church). The Christian (Catholic) Church is centered in Rome, Italy, and that is where the current Pope, or Head of the Christian (Catholic) Church, resides. The Pope always had many different titles. The Pope is not only the Vicar of Christ but also the Bishop of Rome. This tradition goes back to the holy apostle Peter, who was the first Bishop of Rome after Jesus Christ entrusted him with the task of leading the flock.

First, you're conflating the words "dogma" and "doctrine" within Catholicism (Google the difference). Second, I wasn't discussing any specific dogma or doctrine, but rather correcting your misapplication of the word "dogma" to my correcting your misnaming the "Christian (Catholic) Church".
You are not quick on the uptake are you sabe? So deceived! As deceived as the ruler of the synagogue. You can leave now!
 

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“Bound by Satan”

Some readers struggle with the description of this woman’s disability as “having a spirit of infirmity” and being “bound by Satan.” It seems that Jesus accepted the use of demoniac terminology because it approximated the truth. Both the good and the evil that humans experience fall under the governance of God’s angels; as the Psalmist describes, there are “angels of evil” (Psalm 78:49).

Great topic @Hiddenthings, just one comment about Psalm 78:49

Ps 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them. [KJV]
Ps 78:49 He let loose on them his burning anger, wrath, indignation, and distress, a company of destroying angels. [ESV]
Ps 78:49 He sendeth on them the fury of His anger, Wrath, and indignation, and distress--A discharge of evil messengers. [YLT]
Ps 78:49 He sent His burning anger against them: fury, indignation, and calamity — a band of deadly messengers. [HCSB]
Ps 78:49 His raging anger lashed out against them. He sent fury, rage, and trouble as messengers who bring disaster. [NET 2.1]

Psalm 78:49 - I Will Open My Mouth in Parables [more translations].

Whatever the right translation the context of v49 is the story of the Exodus and the 10 plagues, God punishing Pharaoh.

God did not punish the woman in Luke 13 and thus Psalm 78:49 doesn't apply to her.


In this case, the woman’s affliction had been caused by such an angel, whom Jesus identified as “Satan” because, like the adversary in Job, he opposed her. The phrase “spirit of infirmity” simply signifies “the angel responsible for her affliction.” Viewed in this light, this and similar miracles take on even greater significance: they openly demonstrate Jesus’ ultimate authority over the angels and foreshadow the time when the activities of these “angels of evil” will no longer have any hold over humanity.

The term “evil angels” (AV) does not mean “wicked angels”, there are no such beings. All angels exist as ministers of God, carrying out His will (Hebrews 1:14). This includes those through whom the plagues fell on Egypt. Scriptures such as Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6 make it clear that what humans perceive as “evil” or unpleasant experiences is under God’s control.

There are angels of blessing (Psalm 34:7; Matthew 18:10; Acts 12:7) and angels of “evil” (2 Samuel 24:16; Acts 12:23; 1 Corinthians 10:10; Proverbs 17:11; and numerous instances in Revelation; notably the “evil spirit” sent upon Saul in 1 Samuel 16:14). The RSV and NIV often translate this as a “band” or “company of destroying angels.” In the tenth plague, both angels of blessing and angels of “evil” were active in Egypt
 

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Great topic @Hiddenthings, just one comment about Psalm 78:49

Ps 78:49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them. [KJV]
Ps 78:49 He let loose on them his burning anger, wrath, indignation, and distress, a company of destroying angels. [ESV]
Ps 78:49 He sendeth on them the fury of His anger, Wrath, and indignation, and distress--A discharge of evil messengers. [YLT]
Ps 78:49 He sent His burning anger against them: fury, indignation, and calamity — a band of deadly messengers. [HCSB]
Ps 78:49 His raging anger lashed out against them. He sent fury, rage, and trouble as messengers who bring disaster. [NET 2.1]

Psalm 78:49 - I Will Open My Mouth in Parables [more translations].

Whatever the right translation the context of v49 is the story of the Exodus and the 10 plagues, God punishing Pharaoh.

God did not punish the woman in Luke 13 and thus Psalm 78:49 doesn't apply to her.
I sent you a private message as a side note to the above. I am fully convinced that the angels God sent to administer the plagues in Egypt have carried out many mighty acts on His behalf throughout history, acts that many Christians mistakenly attribute to a fallen angel.

To be straight, I don’t know whether the woman’s condition was genetic or degenerative, of God. What I do know is that the source of her suffering was the Satan (Judaizers) ( see Luke 22:53; cf. Acts 26:18; 2 Cor. 11:14; 12:7; Rev. 2:9) ,an imposition of the law that restricted faith (Gal. 3:12, 18, 23). God intervened to free her from that limitation.

What I know for certain is this woman and her presence in the synagogue testified that the Abrahamic covenant which frees us from the bondage of law Gal 2:10-14.
 

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I thought I would add to this thread according to the line of reasoning and show it by the scriptures starting in Acts and going backwards

The Pharisees

Acts 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

Which is the yoke upon the neck

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Which bind heavy burdens and grievous to be bear

Mat 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

That which God has chosen is to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo those heavy burdens

Isaiah 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

To break every yoke, and letting the oppressed go free

Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Jesus shown loosing this woman whom Satan hath bound here

Luke 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day?

Luke 13:12 And when Jesus saw her, he called her to him, and said unto her, Woman, thou art loosed from thine infirmity.

As Jesus was prophesied to do here

Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

In Romans it could be understood as a sort of reversing of the situation

Romans 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.