The Works Of The Flesh

[soul man]

Gal. 5:19-21

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

The works of the flesh are; the manifestation of the sin nature.
The Mind given to Nature constitutes flesh and this is the manifestation of the sin nature. You cannot see spirit-nature so how do we know it exists? By it manifesting itself.
If not for the manifestation of the sin nature by flesh, we would not have known it even existed.
God gave Israel the law to control these manifestations of the sin nature, and prevent a mind that would become totally reprobate.
A mind that would not want to retain the knowledge of God, Hebrews 1:28
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

When those under the law failed to obey the law they did not know it was their sin nature that was manifesting itself. This is what Hebrews calls a God to people relationship, Hebrews 8:10
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

This Covenant belonged exclusively to Israel.
So the law in its simplest form, was given by God to Israel to guard the Mind against the sin nature.
How did others live their life; good morals, good rules, good regulations, and so on, or nothing at all.
This is how the world is still living, it makes you acceptable in society, but not to God.
This is where the church needs to be warned, just because Society is living what seems to be a moral or even Godly life, don't be fooled into changing your message (to fit the times some purport) to fit the world. Prosperity does this, people are more prone to a better Living standard to keep a certain lifestyle.
Well what we are seeing in the world today is the curtain pulled back somewhat and getting a look at what a reprobate mind is possible of doing, God has a way of exposing man to his folly and need of a savior.
The sin nature manifesting itself in full bloom.
So now for the believer that does the same thing, it does not come from nature.
The nature we have is Christ, do you believe it is Christ that does the sinning in the Believer, I think not. Every sin you commit now will manifest the same as when you were in the world, through the flesh, but it comes from mind only, the memories, the residue and leftovers of the old man nature syndrome, 1 John 1:8
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

It is not Christ doing the sinning, they are soul/mind-sins on the Believers part, 1 John 3:9
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[DPMartin]

your statement:
"The works of the flesh are; the manifestation of the sin nature."

is definitely out of order. works of the flesh are works of the flesh and not works of Spirit or I will presume you call works of faith. flesh isn't intrinsically evil as many would have you believe. what is evil in the case of men is the flesh their souls dwell in is the place for Righteousness Judgement and Mercy of God, in the earth. so its the souls that dwell therein that are the sinner and the reason for sin not flesh.

also:

"This Covenant belonged exclusively to Israel."

do some home work on covenants of God to the men He had such covenants with. then you might get a clearer picture of what Paul referrers to" there is

covenant with Adam and the children of Adam
with Noah and the children of Noah

if you are gentile then you are under these covenants


Abraham and the children of Abraham

the Children of Israel (Jacob) and those that dwell within the boarders of the nation Israel

King David and the lineage of David in respect to God's promise to bring David's Lord into the word through David seed.
Jesus Christ (being the fulfillment of all of God's covenants to man and the sons of man, in the Son of man we know as Jesus the Son of God) and those who are born of the Holy Spirit are no bound to by Grace through Faith.

I direct you to Paul's conclusion on the matter:


Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. 29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

so if through faith the law is established, then how can it be exclusive to Israel?

 

[soul man]

Thank you, we see things on a different level, to me I see the mixing of scripture that Paul is speaking directly to the Jews..so it is that difference in our two understandings.
The born again are not a covenant people, we are the birthed of God.
There has never been a people with the nature of the Father before the cross.
It is very common in Christianity to commingle two completely different people. Such as adoption and so forth, we are not Jewish, why would an individual with christ in them as their only life want to be adopted by an earthly people.
To further the point, there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ, so I'm at a bit of a loss on how to handle believers that take this kind of a stand.

 

[ScottA]

so if through faith the law is established, then how can it be exclusive to Israel?

This is correct...because it is about the law. But the difference for Israel, is not of a different law, but a different covenant...which they did not see but attained in the death of Christ on the cross, the Last of those born under the old covenant.

 

[DPMartin]

Thank you, we see things on a different level, to me I see the mixing of scripture that Paul is speaking directly to the Jews..so it is that difference in our two understandings.
The born again are not a covenant people, we are the birthed of God.
There has never been a people with the nature of the Father before the cross.
It is very common in Christianity to commingle two completely different people. Such as adoption and so forth, we are not Jewish, why would an individual with christ in them as their only life want to be adopted by an earthly people.
To further the point, there is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ, so I'm at a bit of a loss on how to handle believers that take this kind of a stand.

nope Jesus is the everlasting covenant:


Heb_13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

so we are in and under a covenant.

 

[Jay Ross]

nope Jesus is the everlasting covenant:


Heb_13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

so we are in and under a covenant.

Now the question is, is the covenant being referred to in Heb 13:20, the Salvation covenant that has been in existence since the creation of Adam and Eve, or is it a reference to the Mt Sinai's Kingdom of Priests and a Holy nation and a people who are solely His possession amongst all the people of the earth Covenant?

 

[twinc]

Now the question is, is the covenant being referred to in Heb 13:20, the Salvation covenant that has been in existence since the creation of Adam and Eve, or is it a reference to the Mt Sinai's Kingdom of Priests and a Holy nation and a people who are solely His possession amongst all the people of the earth Covenant?[/QUOTE


for a proper understanding via google see [Hell's best kept secret] - twinc

 

[DPMartin]

Now the question is, is the covenant being referred to in Heb 13:20, the Salvation covenant that has been in existence since the creation of Adam and Eve, or is it a reference to the Mt Sinai's Kingdom of Priests and a Holy nation and a people who are solely His possession amongst all the people of the earth Covenant?

my response is to "The born again are not a covenant people, we are the birthed of God." stated by soul man.

anyway covenants are the only way God will have a relationship with man. and Jesus fulfilled all previous covenants in order for Him to be the everlasting covenant. man hasn't been able to fulfill the covenants to God's satisfaction, and for God to be satisfied the covenant on man's side must be fulfilled by man. so Jesus the Word of God, Son of God in the Son of man, satisfied the agreements from Adam to Moses and any other via the prophets. now the sons of man have access to the Tree of Life (Gen 3:22 lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever) and the Life that Adam had ( Luk 3:38 Adam, which was the son of God.) before he ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


its a restoration of what was lost in the garden, it was a long process, but its finished.

 

[bbyrd009]

The nature we have is Christ

hmm. who is this "we?" ty

This Covenant belonged exclusively to Israel.

are "we" Israel now? aren't we Israel now?

btw most of your post is great imo :)

 

[bbyrd009]

your statement:
"The works of the flesh are; the manifestation of the sin nature."

is definitely out of order.

?

seemed self evident to me, hmm

 

[bbyrd009]

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

this is my hope also