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[Aunty Jane]

Projecting. See above moronic comment. Where you tell me to read it again. Honestly, this arrogance from you is hard to take. It’s not bad enough that you‘re pedantic and long winded, you have to be arrogant right off the bat when anyone shows “different modes of thinking” than you consider remotely legitimate.

You read again what you added after that moronic comment … What moronic testimony!...and you agree with their sentiments?

Seriously mate....the testimony that you quoted was moronic, completely devoid of any spiritual comprehension, and yet you agreed with them.....how was I stating something that was not obvious?
Our company describes who we are...”birds of a feather” ya know....

I’m sorry again that you cannot accommodate criticism, but that doesn’t mean you won’t get it from me....
We have duelled enough times for you to know how I respond to any and all questions.
I won’t tell you what you want to hear, so if that upsets you please feel free to ”ignore” me.

A little humble introspection of how this could be construed as Ad Homenim would go a long way. This part of your personality, come out arrogantly swinging makes me not want to even engage with the topic of how expressing ideas of cannibalism and homosexual marriage might not be received well.

You speak of “humility” when you display little yourself?
Expressing ideas of cannibalism and homosexual marriage and being part of a harem???? These are reasonable questions to you? You don’t see how you call God’s Sovereignty into question with those responses by agreeing with their sentiments? Those are not the questions of a disciples, but the questions of one who is chafing under things they cannot understand......is there a reason why you and they cannot understand? Or is it that you do not wish to accomodate anything but your own opinion?

Would a loving God keep you from accurate answers to those questions when you come out and directly say “Jesus failed” or that “he shouldn’t have done” something....who are you to judge the Father by judging the words and actions of his son?
Perhaps if you were a little less sensitive to criticism we may have more civil dialogue.

 

[Wrangler]

I’m sorry again that you cannot accommodate criticism, but that doesn’t mean you won’t get it from me....

For all your pedantic nonsense, you fail to differentiate Ad Homenim from criticism. Bye.

 

[Aunty Jane]

For all your pedantic nonsense, you fail to differentiate Ad Homenim from criticism. Bye.

Again if you cannot accomodate criticism, not recognising it from a personal attack....how is it that you cannot display humility when you accuse others of a lack of it? Where is your humility Wrangler? You always come out swinging when there is criticism of what you say.....it seems to flick a switch in you....why?

“Christian is a Christian does”.....and a genuine Christian will cop a lot of criticism because they will disagree with the majority. It doesn’t make them popular. (John 15:18-21).....

I can see that you disagree with the majority on a lot of things, and rightly so, but where you cannot agree with Scripture on some of those things, you leave yourself exposed to the critical opinions of those who are clearly “Christians” in name only, demanding that God somehow owes you all an explanation that suits yourselves.

God will not fit into anyone’s mold but his own. We either accept him on his terms, realising that we are all inferior beings who have no right to demand anything from our Maker, other than what we need to know.
He gave us life with very general instructions....do not disobey me or there will be consequences that neither of us wants to take place.

Can we not just do as we are told? Doesn’t it make sense that he had a purpose to our existence and that his ultimate goal is to get us back there? (Isa 55:11) He tells us how he is going to do that.

 

[FredVB]

Forgiveness was not paid for with the atonement that was for redemption. It was justice, that Christ bore for those who would be redeemed. God is already forgiving, and wants to forgive, God cannot compromise righteous judgment, and none was, with the sacrifice in God's plan. God does not wish or intend for any in God's creation to perish, but those needing redemption should come to repentance with their faith.

 

[Button]

First time posting. This doubles as a test and also a simple question.

Jesus died for our sins. On the third day he rose from the dead.

Our sins are now forgiven?

So what do we have for any further discussion??

We're Humans. If you haven't noticed,that means we're self-absorbed and self-serving.
Which is why we created a spirit in our image and likeness in its beginning.

There's lots to discuss because what we're led to believe isn't often given a lot of thought.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

We're Humans. If you haven't noticed,that means we're self-absorbed and self-serving.

You should get born again and allow the Spirit of the Lord to direct your life and stop being self-absorbed and self-serving, don't ya think?

 

[FredVB]

What did Button say that would indicate he is not a believer who is born again and needs to stop being self-absorbed and self-serving? That's an assessment of what is general in our world, it does mean we should make effort to move out from such, and it is not wrong that what we are led to believe is not often given a lot of thought. We could at least give much more thought to what we believe and how we were led to any of it.

 

[Seeding Loving]

Many people do not know that the Greek word - “ ἄφεσις - aphesis / af'-es-is “ means literally = To Fully Pardon - Complete Forgiveness,

to fully, completely Pardon as to Absolve, Exonerate, Forgive “ fully give freedom. “


and the truth is, this Greek word - ἄφεσις - aphesis - is only used 17 total times in the entire manuscripts of the N.T.


yet, we notice in the K.J.V translation the word forgive is used 69 total times
and we notice in the Catholic D.R.B. translation the word forgive is used 62 total times


forgive _____ 28 times, K.J.V \--/ 26 times Catholic D.R.B.
forgiven _____ 24 K.J.V times, \-- / 25 times, Catholic D.R.B.
forgave _____ 8 K.J.V times, \--/ 4 times, Catholic D.R.B.
forgiveness _____ 6 K.J.V times, \--/ 3 times, Catholic D.R.B.
forgiving _____ 2 K.J.V times, \--/ 3 times, Catholic D.R.B.
forgiveth _____ 1 K.J.V times, \--/ 1 times, Catholic D.R.B.
----
= __ 69 total times - K.J.V / 62 total times - Catholic D.R.B.


In the Greek manuscripts - forgiveness “ ἄφεσις - aphesis / af'-es-is “ is only used 17 total times,
the question is why and what does this mean in context ….and what are the other Greek words used that the translators are using - as “ forgive and pardon “ ?



Here are the 17 total times this Greek word - ἄφεσις - aphesis - is used in the manuscripts,

Mat 26:28 blood of the new testament,…. shed for many, for the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;
Mar 1:4 John preached…….. baptism of repentance for the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;
Mar 3:29 blaspheme the Spirit Of The Holy never has “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ in danger of eternal damnation:
Luk 1:77 Jesus gives………. knowledge of salvation ……… by the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of their sins;
Luk 3:3 { John the Baptist } ……… preaching the baptism of repentance for the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;

Luk 4:18 preach “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ to captives - to set at “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ the broken
Luk 24:47 ……. repentance and “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins


Act 2:38 Repent, and be baptized ……in the name of Jesus Christ for the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;
Act 5:31 Jesus . …… Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins.
Act 10:43 whosoever believeth in him shall receive “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins.
Act 13:38 { Jesus } ……. this man is preached unto you the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins:
Act 26:18 that they may receive “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins; and inheritance ….. sanctified by faith that is in me.
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins
Col 1:14 { in Jesus } we have redemption through his blood, even the “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins.
Heb 9:22 and without shedding of blood is no “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;
Heb 10:18 Now where “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins; of these is, there is no more offering for sin.


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[Seeding Loving]

continuation of previous post



we see - ἄφεσις \ forgivness “ of sins;


THIS WORD FORGIVENESS IS REALLY ONLY USED 17 TOTAL TIMES IN THE GREEK MANUSCRIPTS

what about the other remaining 50 + verses where we see the word “ forgiveness “ in the translations ?


The truth is - in fact, there is never again any other mentioning whatsoever nor a usage of this Greek word in the New Testament manuscripts of - applying the Forgiveness, Pardon - as to fully and completely Pardon as to Absolve, Exonerate, Forgive…… outside of these verses using the Greek word “ ἄφεσις \ forgivness “

17 total times ….


And if you notice all of these 17 total passages are ONLY - ONLY centered around Gods shed blood and the work of God through repentance and the repentant sinner existing in the state and status of a sinner whom is receiving salvation by faith in His word .

in fact, this Greek word never, ever - never APPLIES nor APPEARS in the manuscripts - under any other circumstances in all of the approXimately other 50 + verses where we see the word “ forgiveness “ in the translations.


ok….. - “ ἄφεσις - aphesis / af'-es-is “ means literally = To Fully Pardon - Complete Forgiveness and only used 17 total times in the entire manuscripts of the New Testament.


BUT


The Roman Catholic Church has applied the Greek word “ ἀφίημι - aphiēmi “ to the idea of a Priest forgiving sin !


but the Greek word “ ἀφίημι - aphiēmi “ means= To send forth, to put away - away , lay aside, leave, let alone, be gone, yield up sin........

God has already Pardoned and Forgiven, Absolved, Exonerated “ ἄφεσις - aphesis \ forgiveness “ of sins.


- ἄφεσις - aphesis - is used in the manuscripts and never is this word used to indicate a human forgiveness - nor a human assisting another human in forgiveness. There simply is no Scriptural basis to lay the claim that the Bible mentions anything about giving Peter a position of authority that is not also subscribed to others serving with him.


the Original message of the Greek manuscript for - Joh 20:23



:23

αν IF - τινων WHOM - αφητε YIELDING UP / PUTTING AWAY - τας THAT

- αμαρτιας SIN - αφιενται ARE PUT AWAY / IS YIELDED UP - ARE LEFT -

αυτοις THEM -


αν IF - τινων WHOM - κρατητε KEEPS / HOLDS - κεκρατηνται ARE KEPT

/ ARE HELD



IF WHOM YIELDING UP / PUTTING AWAY THAT SIN, IS PUT AWAY / IS YIELDED UP / LEFT THEM -

IF WHOM KEEPS / HOLDS - ARE KEPT / HELD



This is the basic word for word ancient Greek text as it originally is written, to go in and begin deliberately translating the ancient basic text to render it into a Catholic or Protestant Anglican Priestly role simply is not the contextually honesty of the original transmitted text.​

 

[Fred J]

First time posting. This doubles as a test and also a simple question.

Jesus died for our sins. On the third day he rose from the dead.

Our sins are now forgiven?

So what do we have for any further discussion??

We have discipleship according to 2Timothy3:6&17 and likewise fellowship based on the same thing in context, as a reminder and a stir up of memory until our time is up.

Jesus said, 'True worshippers will worship the FATHER in 'spirit' and 'truth'.

What's the point of being saved, born of water and of the Spirit is spirit, and not disciple in context to the truth, to 'abide' by and as doers?

That's why today's churches believers go off in the spirit and gifts of the Holy Ghost but lacking in context of the truth, being partial abiders and doers.

On the other hand likewise they're too partially workers of lawlessness or iniquity, since the full truth in context is not in them.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Davy]

So I understand without jesus God may have terminated the entire human race with righteous rage. But he didn't using the Son part of trinity as redemption?

Sorry I have just become baptized Catholic less than a year ago - learning every day

No, there's a lot more to it than that, which is why He gave us His Personal Letter The Bible, and that mainly so we would not be deceived, and also know 'how'... to live the right way, since He is The Creator of all things and ought to know what is best for us.

And if you want His Blessings, He pays what He owes to those who follow Him and serve Him. So what have you done for Him lately? You don't have to answer that, I just said it as an example.

 

[Mark51]

First time posting. This doubles as a test and also a simple question.

Jesus died for our sins. On the third day he rose from the dead.

Our sins are now forgiven?

So what do we have for any further discussion??

Prior to Jesus’ sacrifice, there was no way or means for the forgiveness of sins. We were all condemned to death through Adam.-1 Corinthians 15:21, 22.

Thankfully, Jesus paid our debt. This does not mean that the human family needs to do nothing else. Almighty God can now legally repurchase us like it is discussed metaphorically in the book of Isaiah. He now has the justification for forgiveness; however, He is not required to or obligated.

For example: A student applies for a school/training grant that someone benefactor has established. Awarding a grant is not automatic without some requirements. Students most usually need to meet specific qualification or conditions stipulated by do Donor if a financial award is considered and given.

In principle, like the grant, we must show Him that we are worthy of his consideration for such forgiveness. We do this, not inclusively, initially by taking in accurate knowledge about God and his son. Apply the guidance and principles given in the Bible to “put on a new personality.”-Ephesians 4:22-24.

Also, understand and confess that we are grossly contaminated with sin; and, if not for Jesus, there would be no means to communicate with God. Jesus’ blood’ bridged that chasm. Now we can approach God-through prayer-and ask for forgiveness by means of Jesus’ shed blood. However, this must be a continuous process because of our imperfection. Also, ask for help form His Holy Spirit so we are able to discern more clearly the temptations that Satan will constantly put in front of us. Worship and give appreciation to God in a way and manner that is acceptable to Him-not in a manner that we determine is acceptable.