Three strategies of Satan to take the word away

[Hiddenthings]

@Jay Ross

Matthew 25:14–30 (ESV) 14 “For it will be like a man, i.e. Satan, going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property.

You're not serious Jay?

 

[Jay Ross]

@Jay Ross

Matthew 25:14–30 (ESV) 14 “For it will be like a man, i.e. Satan, going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property.

You're not serious Jay?

Yes, because that is what Jesus told us would be happening when Satan was imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit and the context of the Parables of the Talents and Minas confirms this contextual understanding.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Yes, because that is what Jesus told us would be happening when Satan was imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit and the context of the Parables of the Talents and Minas confirms this contextual understanding.

I suppose if you give yourself the freedom to insert the word "Satan" into any passage at will, without any clear textual basis or logical connection....then why not!

 

[Matthias]

“Satan’s Core Strategy

This dissection of Jesus’s temptation experience helps us examine not only the devil’s specific strategy with Jesus, but the core strategy he employs in every temptation.

What was the devil trying to do? Essentially, he was seeking to do with Jesus what he did to Adam and Eve and what he does with each of us: disorient Jesus’s perception of reality, so he could distort Jesus’s perception of reality and deceive Jesus into believing a false story about reality.”

(Jon Bloom, “Disorient, Distort, Deceive: Satan’s Core Strategy Against Us”)

Disorient, Distort, Deceive: Satan’s Core Strategy Against Us

If you have no battle plan in the war against temptation, you give Satan the advantage. Take time to learn from the only one who never sinned.

www.desiringgod.org

 

[Jay Ross]

I suppose if you give yourself the freedom to insert the word "Satan" into any passage at will, without any clear textual basis or logical connection....then why not!

If what you are inferring is that it is Christ who will give His disciples money to do His will while He is away for a time, the question that begs for an answer is where else does Christ tell His disciples that they will be given money to disciple others in the way of the Lord.

Did not Christ say this: - Matt 6:24: - "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." where "mammon" represents wealth or money.

So, since you have inserted "Christ" into the Parable of the Talents, "without any clear textual basis or logical connection," why then would Christ give His servants "money" in the form of "Talents" in the parable in Matthew and "Minas" in the parable in Luke, which goes against what he had taught, quoted above?

Now in the Parable of the Talents, the man who goes away for a time gives his servants "talent" according to their ability to trade with the money they received, whereas in the Parable of the Minas, the man who goes away for a time has to tell his servants to trade with the minas until he returned.

Sadly, the understanding of the word "talents" today is one of a person having "a gifted ability," whereas in Christ's time around 2,000 years ago, a talent had a monetary value based on its weight and whether it was God, Silver or Bronze. In the Parable of the Minas, a Minas was given as a days' wages for the work that the people undertook for others.

If one reads the parables carefully, knowing the "Law of Moses" given to him by God, then they would be able to discern that the man who goes away is not Christ, but the "master" at that time of the nation of Israel.

Notice, that in the Parable of the Minas, that Christ suggests to his audience who were walking with Him on the road up to Jerusalem for the Passover, that some of the man's servants would send a delegation after their master has gone away, to express their desire to be no longer his servants.

But you wish to adhere to the corrupted traditional theology where people see Christ in every part of the scriptures that they read, that Christ never intended to be seen in.

You need to go back and study the Bible more diligently to be able to see and hear what is actually written within its pages.

I trust that you will come to a better understanding of the scriptures.

 

[Hiddenthings]

If what you are inferring is that it is Christ who will give His disciples money to do His will while He is away for a time, the question that begs for an answer is where else does Christ tell His disciples that they will be given money to disciple others in the way of the Lord.

Did not Christ say this: - Matt 6:24: - "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon." where "mammon" represents wealth or money.

So, since you have inserted "Christ" into the Parable of the Talents, "without any clear textual basis or logical connection," why then would Christ give His servants "money" in the form of "Talents" in the parable in Matthew and "Minas" in the parable in Luke, which goes against what he had taught, quoted above?

What planet are you on Jay?

Riches, when personified or treated as a rival, provoke the jealousy of Yahweh, who demands our exclusive devotion.

Joshua 24:19–21 19 But Joshua said to the people, “You are not able to serve the Lord, for he is a holy God. He is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions or your sins.” 20 “If you forsake the Lord and serve foreign gods, then he will turn and do you harm and consume you, after having done you good.” 21 And the people said to Joshua, “No, but we will serve the Lord.”

If you can't speak in alignment with God's Word, it's better to remain silent

 

[Jay Ross]

If you can't speak in alignment with God's Word, it's better to remain silent

You should apply your own advice to yourself first rather than trying to force it onto others. You should lead by example.

 

[Hiddenthings]

You should apply your own advice to yourself first than trying to force it onto other. You should lead by example.

It's what I'm doing with you Jay.

If you can't demonstrate an understanding of how the original audience would have interpreted the parable, what right do you have to insert a fictional creature into the Lord’s words?

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, this is a poor exposition, there’s not a single verse offered to support these ideas. Are we meant to just accept this without Scriptural backing?

If you can't speak in alignment with God's Word, it's better to remain silent

Who will be the judge of whether or not I am speaking in alignment with God's word, You? Because from where I sit and read what is posted on this forum, you certainly do not post in alignment with God's words. You are only presenting what you believe God's words are saying.

In other words, it is you who is rewriting the meaning of God's word. However, you point your grubby finger at other members of this forum and accuse them of doing so.

In Ezekiel 34:25-30 God promises to remove the beast from the face of the earth so that the nation of Israel can enjoy a peaceful existence for a time. This will occur at the time of the Judgement of the Kings of the Earth when they all assemble at Armageddon on the Great Day of the Lord and the Heavenly Hosts, i.e. angels that rebelled, will be judged in heaven and together with the kings of the earth they will all be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit for many days to await the time of their punishment. (Isaiah 24:21-22)

Ezekiel 34:25-30: - 25 "I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause evil beasts [1] to cease from the earth; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. 26 I will make them and the places all around My hill[2] a blessing; and I will cause showers to come down in their season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 Then the trees of the field shall yield their fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase. They shall be safe within my fertile field; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I have broken the bands of their yoke and delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. 28 And they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, nor shall beasts of the earth devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and no one shall make them afraid. 29 I will raise up for them a garden of renown, and they shall no longer be consumed with hunger on the earth, nor bear the shame of the Gentiles anymore. 30 Thus they shall know that I, the Lord their God, am with them, and they, the house of Israel, are My people," says the Lord God.'"​

If you want to find fault with my understanding of this passage, then take it up with God to see how He will judge what I have written and then remain silent to see who He will punish.

---

[1] This is a reference to God’s judgement of the beastly Heavenly Hosts who will be judged during the time that God is turning His attention once more towards the Israelites in our near future, around the year 2044 AD give or take a year or so either way because of the uncertainty in the understanding of the relationship between God’s timeframe and man’s understanding.
Isaiah 24:21-22 speaks of God Judging the Heavenly Hosts in Heaven and the kings of the earth on the earth and that they will be gathered together with the kings of the earth and imprisoned in a cistern/pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.
Daniel 7:11-12 also speaks of the time of the judgement of the four Beasts, referred to as the four winds of Heaven in Daniel 7:2 that causes a manifestation of the four respective beasts to rise up out of the sea of humanity with the dominate characteristic of the four respective beasts.
In Revelation 16:12-16 we are told that the kings of the earth after the signs performed by the three foul frog like spirits when they went out from the mouth of the Dragon, the False Prophet and the Beast would be to assemble them for battle, on the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon where they will be judged as Isaiah 24:21-22 prophesied.
Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, that when the fullness with respect to time, that has been set for the Gentiles to trample God’s Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, has drawn to its conclusion, after the 2,300-year period, and the subsequent judgement of the kings of the earth, all of Israel will be saved.
Ezekiel 34:28 repeats this same theme, where it points a second time to the beasts being removed from the face of the earth and not troubling Israel for a period of 1,000-years.
[2] God is using a metaphor to reference the Religion that will be establish as an integral part of His Everlasting Kingdom during the time of the kings mentioned in the Statue prophecy in Daniel 2 as He begins gathering Israel to Himself after the completion of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers of the nation of Israel are visited upon their children and the children’s children to the end of the fourth age. The basis of this hill/religion with be the foundation stone that will come down out of heaven for the nation of the Israelites is that Jesus/Christ is the Son of God. The stone that comes down out of heaven we are told in Daniel will become a great mountain and fill the whole earth (Daniel 2:35)

 

[Hiddenthings]

Ezekiel 34:25-30: - 25 "I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause evil beasts [1] to cease from the earth; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.

Thank you for quoting Ezekiel 34:25-30

This refers to a covenant that results in peace for Israel (Ezek. 16:60; 37:26–28; 38:11–13; 39:25–29; Isa. 54:10). It points to the New Covenant that God promised to establish with Israel in the future (Jer. 31:31–34). In the New Testament, this covenant is fulfilled through oneness with Christ (John 14:27), leading to true peace with God (John 17:21).

"And rid the land of wild beasts so that they may live in safety"

One of the covenant promises Ezekiel refers to involves the removal of threats to Israel’s security. This would allow the people to dwell peacefully even in areas once considered dangerous, such as the wilderness and forests (John 10:27–29).

The Wild Beasts symbolize the Gentile nations that oppressed Israel, as seen in Daniel 7:3.

Daniel 7:3 (ESV): "And four great beasts came up out of the sea, different from one another."

Jay, I’d suggest letting go of the attempt to find a place in Scripture for your imaginary creature, it simply isn’t there. The symbolic meanings have been explained to you repeatedly, yet you continue to ignore them in favor of the fallen angel narrative

Crazy!

BTW - I've given you a clue to help you understand the Revelation - you should use it!

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Jay Ross

How do we know the wild beast's refer to gentile nations? Well, look at the result of this prophecy... Verse 27

“The trees of the field will yield their fruit”

This speaks of a time when fruit trees will bear abundantly, and the land will flourish with fruits, vegetables, and flowers (cf. Hosea 2:22; Joel 3:18; Amos 9:13–14; Zechariah 8:12).

“And the ground will yield its crops”

Even the earth itself will be productive and secure. There will be a full, rich harvest (Psalm 67:6), indicating the lifting of the curse pronounced in Genesis 3:17–18. This transformation points to the Kingdom Age (cf. Ezek. 34:23–25; Isaiah 51:3), when creation is restored and blessed.

“When I break the bars of their yoke and rescue them from the hands of those who enslaved them”

This phrase recalls the imagery of Israel's deliverance from Egypt, where God broke the yoke of oppression from His people’s shoulders (Jeremiah 2:20). It symbolically anticipates a future and final deliverance of Israel from Gentile domination (Jeremiah 16:14–15; 32:37), a complete restoration and freedom under God's rule.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Jay Ross

Verse 28 also!

A Land Renowned for Its Crops

The land will be known for its abundant produce, but more than that, Israel itself will be the true “crop” of God. As Isaiah 60:21 declares:
“Then all your people will be righteous; they will possess the land forever. They are the shoot I have planted, the work of my hands, for the display of my splendor.”

This highlights Israel as God’s own planting, His handiwork, meant to reveal His glory.

 

[Jay Ross]

This refers to a covenant that results in peace for Israel (Ezek. 16:60; 37:26–28; 38:11–13; 39:25–29; Isa. 54:10). It points to the New Covenant that God promised to establish with Israel in the future (Jer. 31:31–34). In the New Testament, this covenant is fulfilled through oneness with Christ (John 14:27), leading to true peace with God (John 17:21).

You have not understood what the covenant will be that is referred to in Jer 31:31-34, in these verses God is telling Israel that He will make like new again, the covenant that He had made at Mt Sinai which they had rebelled against, the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possessions among the Nations Covenant. This covenant in Jer 31:31-34 has nothing to do with the refurbishment of the Salvation Covenant that has existed since the Time of Adam where Christ changed the redemption process by which all of Mankind can be saved through the acceptance that Jesus is the Son of God. The renewal of the Jer 31:31-34 Covenant will occur after God begins gathering the nation of Israel to Himself, where they are living gathered throughout all of the nations of the earth after the judgement described in Isaiah 24:21-22 which will occur in around 20 years from now.

BTW - I've given you a clue to help you understand the Revelation - you should use it!

The rest of your post is fanciful and is of no use to me as it presents a false clue and understanding of how the End Times will begin to unfold in our near future.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The rest of your post is fanciful and is of no use to me as it presents a false clue and understanding of how the End Times will begin to unfold in our near future.

In other words, you can’t support your fallen angel theory from Scripture. I get it, whenever you try to impose something extrabiblical onto God’s Word, it always ends up collapsing on itself.

The issue Jay is you have all the keys to unlock Revelation in Daniel, but you choose to follow the great lie.

 

[Hiddenthings]

You have not understood what the covenant will be that is referred to in Jer 31:31-34, in these verses God is telling Israel that He will make like new again, the covenant that He had made at Mt Sinai which they had rebelled against, the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possessions among the Nations Covenant.

Evidence - the New Covenant here and its manifestation in the people knowing God from the least to the greatest can only come to pass under the New!

This covenant in Jer 31:31-34 has nothing to do with the refurbishment of the Salvation Covenant that has existed since the Time of Adam where Christ changed the redemption process by which all of Mankind can be saved through the acceptance that Jesus is the Son of God.

Makes sense Jay you are all over the place!

The renewal of the Jer 31:31-34 Covenant will occur after God begins gathering the nation of Israel to Himself, where they are living gathered throughout all of the nations of the earth after the judgement described in Isaiah 24:21-22 which will occur in around 20 years from now.

That’s exactly what I said and believe! are you being argumentative just for the sake of it, Jay?

Your 20 years is hocus-pocus - you know nothing of the timing of Israel entering the New Covenant....don't pretend you do!

Look here is Jeremiah for you to refresh your memory!

Jeremiah 31:31–34 (ESV) 31
"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 and no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

There is only one covenant in existence which can be written upon hearts and that is the everlasting covenant!

 

[Jay Ross]

@Jay Ross

Verse 28 also!

A Land Renowned for Its Crops

The land will be known for its abundant produce, but more than that, Israel itself will be the true “crop” of God. As Isaiah 60:21 declares:
“Then all your people will be righteous; they will possess the land forever. They are the shoot I have planted, the work of my hands, for the display of my splendor.”

This highlights Israel as God’s own planting, His handiwork, meant to reveal His glory.

Actually, Daniel tells us that the righteous will inherit the whole earth.

You have show your lack of God's promises for the Nation of Israel.

 

[Jay Ross]

In other words, you can’t support your fallen angel theory from Scripture. I get it, whenever you try to impose something extrabiblical onto God’s Word, it always ends up collapsing on itself.

The issue Jay is you have all the keys to unlock Revelation in Daniel, but you choose to follow the great lie.

And you have no idea of my understanding of God's word.

All that you have presented is a negative attack in a vain attempt to undermine what I have posted.

 

[Jay Ross]

Evidence - the New Covenant here and its manifestation in the people knowing God from the least to the greatest can only come to pass under the New!

Makes sense Jay you are all over the place!

That’s exactly what I said and believe! are you being argumentative just for the sake of it, Jay?

Your 20 years is hocus-pocus - you know nothing of the timing of Israel entering the New Covenant....don't pretend you do!

Look here is Jeremiah for you to refresh your memory!

Jeremiah 31:31–34 (ESV) 31
"Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 and no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

There is only one covenant in existence which can be written upon hearts and that is the everlasting covenant!

I think that your slip is showing your error.

 

[Hiddenthings]

And you have no idea of my understanding of God's word.

All that you have presented is a negative attack in a vain attempt to undermine what I have posted.

I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence for your fallen angel creature.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I think that your slip is showing your error.

You must believe there is another covenant greater than that which is in Christ yet to be written on their hearts.

We both know your interpretation needs work!