Time Brings A Revelation

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Time Brings a revelation

We must always be cognizant of the promises God has given us. He will not suffer us to bear any more than we can stand (l Corinthians 10:13). The reason many believers are destroyed during the time of God’s dealings is that they do not have a true Gospel to go with the schooling of the Father. Let us never forget that God is not shaping us for a better earth life, but for eternal life in His house (John 14:2).

Jesus Yields To A Time Element

To reach the Father’s house, we must be as Jesus. He is the Way, the time element was most important in His life. Hebrews tells us that even though He was the Son,
yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered (Hebrews 5:8). The suffering was a part of His kenosis (self-emptying). Even He had to yield to His Father’s time element. Paul says, “In the fullness of time, God sent forth His Son” (Galatians 4:4). He who was “slain from the foundation of the world” waited some 4300 years until the time of His revelation was at hand (John 1:29). During the three and one-half years of His public ministry,
the time element was constantly evidenced. Two times before He died, He approached and went through the Passover. He knew He was to be the eternal Passover Lamb. He knew, each year of His public ministry, that the time was not yet come that He should be offered. What great feeling must have come to His heart each time the Passover drew near! Twice, the Father told Him,
“This is not the time.” Thus, He learned obedience by the things He suffered.
In John 12:27, we see Him coming to the hour. He told His disciples that the hour had come that the Son of Man should be crucified (Matthew 26:2). God’s time element was in operation. Undoubtedly, the Father made the Son wait for the ap-
pointed time, that He might make
the Captain of our salvation perfect
through His sufferings (Hebrews 2:10). How precious the breaking (kenosis) through which the Father put the Son, that our redemption might be perfect! Now He Who was dealt with in this way by the Father is our life, our Captain, our Shepherd. Think not that the Father will let us escape such refinement through the time element. While we do not have to
suffer for our sins, seeing that He
completely paid the price for oursalvation, we still will be chastened in love and shaped into His likeness by suffering the breaking of our will into His obedience.

God Never Tells Us His Time
Element

One great and notable truth about God’s time element is that the Father never shares the duration or amount of time necessary to schooling sons. Jesus said, in Matthew 24:36, that no man or angel knew the time when the Lord would return.
 
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yikes big leap there imo
soul man. bro. can you pls Quote your support for this ty

Don't you feel christ suffered enough for the sin (singular) of the world. Encompassing all humanities sin (human nature destroyed at Calvary) as well as physical and mental anguish. Religion keeps the sin nature alive by preaching "be good don't sin" which only highlights the unrenewed mind. Christians no longer have a sin nature, in Christ their new nature (which is Christ) must be learned or the fruit of the Spirit will be lacking as we see in Christianity. Salvation is a completed operation of God by Christ on the cross for believers.
 
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Don't you feel christ suffered enough for the sin (singular) of the world. Encompassing all humanities sin (human nature destroyed at Calvary) as well as physical and mental anguish. Religion keeps the sin nature alive by preaching "be good don't sin" which only highlights the unrenewed mind. Christians no longer have a sin nature, in Christ their new nature (which is Christ) must be learned or the fruit of the Spirit will be lacking as we see in Christianity. Salvation is a completed operation of God by Christ on the cross for believers.
Interesting that you say that we see the fruit of the Spirit lacking in Christianity.
Do you wonder why that is? Maybe it's because of your theology??

You say that salvation is a completed act by Jesus on the cross.
So, if it's a completed act, why do we not have the fruit of the Spirit?
Is Jesus unable to gift these to us since HE did everything already for us?

You say we no longer have a sin nature.
So what exactly is it that makes us sin?

You say that religion says "Be good, don't sin" and that this highlights the UNRENEWED mind. Isn't being good and not sinning supposed to be the RENEWED mind? Romans 12:1-2.

Don't you realize all the contradictions in your post?
 

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Salvation is a completed operation of God by Christ on the cross for believers.
well, satan is a believer too, i'm sure he will be happy to hear it!
wadr you cannot Quote this either, but go ahead and Quote the v if you like.
confession leads to salvation
no Son of Man may die for another's sins
be perfect as I am perfect (
which does not mean "don't sin")
imo
 

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Interesting that you say that we see the fruit of the Spirit lacking in Christianity.
Do you wonder why that is? Maybe it's because of your theology??

You say that salvation is a completed act by Jesus on the cross.
So, if it's a completed act, why do we not have the fruit of the Spirit?
Is Jesus unable to gift these to us since HE did everything already for us?

You say we no longer have a sin nature.
So what exactly is it that makes us sin?

You say that religion says "Be good, don't sin" and that this highlights the UNRENEWED mind. Isn't being good and not sinning supposed to be the RENEWED mind? Romans 12:1-2.

Don't you realize all the contradictions in your post?

Hi Fran.
I guess we have visited this before last year.
As I see it...

People get so muddled between 1) our condition and 2) our position in Christ.

We must 'walk out' ( run the race, or whatever term we use .....bbyrd's is 'take up your cross' ) We do have to keep the weeds out of our 'garden' (soul)...that us our condition in the old flesh man.

But...without knowing and being secure in our spiritual faith position 'in Christ' it cannot be done. The devil tells us we fail..the devil depresses us and tells us we are not good enough.
His empowerment in us comes because of our position in Him.
As He said to His disciples " Now ye are clean through the words spoken to you,"

Paul , and Peter show us our position
9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.."

If we have been called "out of darkness into light..".that is us..it is our position in Christ.

If we do not believe and walk there, He died in vain for us. Paul said :- We then as working together with Him, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain"

Because He says so, we are clean, we are holy.
That comes through the work of Jesus..the perfect Lamb.

Now, our inheritance as a mature son, and as an overcomer in REV.
Is due to how much we "Take up our cross and follow Him. "
"Die daily" How much we "reckon our self dead indeed to sin and alive unto God."
How much we 'mortify the deed or the body, that His life be manifest in ours.'.

'We so run, that we may obtain'...not salvation , but the calling and plan God
is offering to those that choose to overcome in His name.
Why do we sin...flesh, it is always because we do not overcome, but choose our flesh nature over our Spirit nature in Christ.

Position= already perfect in Christ.
Condition = the race that we daily run, and the choices that we make to either overcome the world , the flesh, and the devil...In Him...
....because He already did .
 
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Hi Fran.
I guess we have visited this before last year.
As I see it...

People get so muddled between 1) our condition and 2) our position in Christ.

We must 'walk out' ( run the race, or whatever term we use .....bbyrd's is 'take up your cross' ) We do have to keep the weeds out of our 'garden' (soul)...that us our condition in the old flesh man.

But...without knowing and being secure in our spiritual faith position 'in Christ' it cannot be done. The devil tells us we fail..the devil depresses us and tells us we are not good enough.
His empowerment in us comes because of our position in Him.
As He said to His disciples " Now ye are clean through the words spoken to you,"

Paul , and Peter show us our position
9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.."

If we have been called "out of darkness into light..".that is us..it is our position in Christ.

If we do not believe and walk there, He died in vain for us. Paul said :- We then as working together with Him, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain"

Because He says so, we are clean, we are holy.
That comes through the work of Jesus..the perfect Lamb.

Now, our inheritance as a mature son, and as an overcomer in REV.
Is due to how much we "Take up our cross and follow Him. "
"Die daily" How much we "reckon our self dead indeed to sin and alive unto God."
How much we 'mortify the deed or the body, that His life be manifest in ours.'.

'We so run, that we may obtain'...not salvation , but the calling and plan God
is offering to those that choose to overcome in His name.
Why do we sin...flesh, it is always because we do not overcome, but choose our flesh nature over our Spirit nature in Christ.

Position= already perfect in Christ.
Condition = the race that we daily run, and the choices that we make to either overcome the world , the flesh, and the devil...In Him...
....because He already did .

Yes nice post, and dividing soul and spirit but I don't think I want to even want to get into that with the confusion already rolling around in the tread. Anything off the theology of what people already believe just absolutely throws them into a tizzy of "you said he said" unbelievable.
 
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Hi Fran.
I guess we have visited this before last year.
As I see it...

People get so muddled between 1) our condition and 2) our position in Christ.

We must 'walk out' ( run the race, or whatever term we use .....bbyrd's is 'take up your cross' ) We do have to keep the weeds out of our 'garden' (soul)...that us our condition in the old flesh man.

But...without knowing and being secure in our spiritual faith position 'in Christ' it cannot be done. The devil tells us we fail..the devil depresses us and tells us we are not good enough.
His empowerment in us comes because of our position in Him.
As He said to His disciples " Now ye are clean through the words spoken to you,"

Paul , and Peter show us our position
9 "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light.."

If we have been called "out of darkness into light..".that is us..it is our position in Christ.

If we do not believe and walk there, He died in vain for us. Paul said :- We then as working together with Him, we also urge you not to receive the grace of God in vain"

Because He says so, we are clean, we are holy.
That comes through the work of Jesus..the perfect Lamb.

Now, our inheritance as a mature son, and as an overcomer in REV.
Is due to how much we "Take up our cross and follow Him. "
"Die daily" How much we "reckon our self dead indeed to sin and alive unto God."
How much we 'mortify the deed or the body, that His life be manifest in ours.'.

'We so run, that we may obtain'...not salvation , but the calling and plan God
is offering to those that choose to overcome in His name.
Why do we sin...flesh, it is always because we do not overcome, but choose our flesh nature over our Spirit nature in Christ.

Position= already perfect in Christ.
Condition = the race that we daily run, and the choices that we make to either overcome the world , the flesh, and the devil...In Him...
....because He already did .

Soul is created but we are birthed in spirit not soul. The soul is where the learning process (mind-will-emotions) takes place. You are absulutely made complete in spirit by Christ in you. There is no separation in Christ, for believers to feel separated is only in mind. They have a certain feeling and if they do not understand being born again they trust in self to try to keep saved by doing. Doer religion grips the heart of many and leads to a lifestyle that is frustrating and many go off the live a life that is far short of the Christ life. Christians do not produce the fruit of the spirit it is the character and personality of the Christ in you nature. The renewing of the mind to Christ who is the only life a believer has is imperative to our understanding. Paul calls it revelation, a revelation of the indwelling Christ. He had a revelation of the indwelling Christ, and is the only writer that writes about it. Very important to hear the message Paul delivered, without Paul we have no "in Christ" understanding, that is very heavy in scripture.
 
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