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Jesus said in John 15:1-10 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.2 Every branch inme that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.3 Now ye are cleanthrough the word which I have spoken unto you.4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide inmy love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”
Ok, some claim all Christians still "abide in sin",and that they "keep on sinning" even though they claim to have been born again of God's Holy Spirit. And even despite that ongoing disobedience and reoccurring sin they proclaim you still "abide inChrist". This my friends is false doctrine, because you cannot remain in sin and also remain inChrist at the same time.
Notice Jesus said in order to bear fruit one must"abide in Him", that also means believing in and abiding in His words. And here is what it means to abide in Him…

1 John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
The "seed" mentioned there is "Christ".

And again to "abide in Christ" is to 1 John 3:6 “Whosoeverabideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinnethhath not seen him, neither known him.”

So the simple truth is in order to bear good fruit we must "abide in Christ", which is to "abide in God's Word". And as we saw above to "abide in His love" we must keep His commandments" And to abide in Christ and remain in Christ one must stop sinning, because sinning is not abiding in Gods Word, neither is sinning abiding in the faith of Christ.
Now if one is still sinning are they truly "inChrist"? Not according to the words of God. Also we are shown in John 15 what happens if one inHim does not bear good fruit, Jesus said in John 15:2 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:”
So anyone in him that does not bear good fruit he takes away, meaning you will no longer "abide in"the Life of Christ (the vine).


And not only that we are told in verse 6 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
That is not salvation people, that is Destruction.
Also we cannot bear good fruit on our own except we abide in Him John 15:4 “Abide in me, and I inyou. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.”

And again, to abide in Christ means you cannotabide in sin. Sin is not good fruit.
And if you remain in sin, then you truly don’t "abide in Christ" do you? And as Jesus said, those who do not "abide in Him" are cast forth as a branch, and then gathered and cast into the fireand burned.

Christ is not a vine of sin (minister of sin) Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Anyone who says you can abide in sin and still remain in Christ at the same time is a liar and a deceiver.
It is written in 2 John 9-10 “ Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”

It is your sins that separate you from God…
Isaiah 59:2 “But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.”
Just as Jesus is separated from sinners…..
Hebrews 7:26 “For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate fromsinners, and made higher than the heavens;”

And again "in Christ" there is no sin….. 1 John 3…..
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

And to Love God and to "abide in Christ" is to keep His commandments….
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”

Abide in the Light of the Truth….1 John 2…..
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not inhim.5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”
Did Jesus walk in sin? Of course not!
Jesus said in John 12:46 " I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not "abide in darkness."

Meaning you should not abide in "the works of darkness," which is sin.
Also no false doctrine, or lie is of the Truth…..21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is ofthe truth.”
Just as the prince of this world and his spirit has no place in Christ either…. John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”

Sin and darkness do not abide in the Light of Christ, and neither do those who still abide in sin and in darkness.

Jesus said whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin, and a servant of sin will not abide in His house forever.

Brethren, abide in Christ. Peace and God bless
 
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Jesus said in John 15:1-10 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.2 Every branch inme that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.3 Now ye are cleanthrough the word which I have spoken unto you.4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide inmy love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”
Ok, some claim all Christians still "abide in sin",and that they "keep on sinning" even though they claim to have been born again of God's Holy Spirit. And even despite that ongoing disobedience and reoccurring sin they proclaim you still "abide inChrist". This my friends is false doctrine, because you cannot remain in sin and also remain inChrist at the same time.
Notice Jesus said in order to bear fruit one must"abide in Him", that also means believing in and abiding in His words. And here is what it means to abide in Him…

1 John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
The "seed" mentioned there is "Christ".

And again to "abide in Christ" is to 1 John 3:6 “Whosoeverabideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinnethhath not seen him, neither known him.”

So the simple truth is in order to bear good fruit we must "abide in Christ", which is to "abide in God's Word". And as we saw above to "abide in His love" we must keep His commandments" And to abide in Christ and remain in Christ one must stop sinning, because sinning is not abiding in Gods Word, neither is sinning abiding in the faith of Christ.
Now if one is still sinning are they truly "inChrist"? Not according to the words of God. Also we are shown in John 15 what happens if one inHim does not bear good fruit, Jesus said in John 15:2 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:”
So anyone in him that does not bear good fruit he takes away, meaning you will no longer "abide in"the Life of Christ (the vine).


And not only that we are told in verse 6 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
That is not salvation people, that is Destruction.
Also we cannot bear good fruit on our own except we abide in Him John 15:4 “Abide in me, and I inyou. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.”

And again, to abide in Christ means you cannotabide in sin. Sin is not good fruit.
And if you remain in sin, then you truly don’t "abide in Christ" do you? And as Jesus said, those who do not "abide in Him" are cast forth as a branch, and then gathered and cast into the fireand burned.

Christ is not a vine of sin (minister of sin) Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Anyone who says you can abide in sin and still remain in Christ at the same time is a liar and a deceiver.
It is written in 2 John 9-10 “ Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”

It is your sins that separate you from God…
Isaiah 59:2 “But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.”
Just as Jesus is separated from sinners…..
Hebrews 7:26 “For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate fromsinners, and made higher than the heavens;”

And again "in Christ" there is no sin….. 1 John 3…..
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

And to Love God and to "abide in Christ" is to keep His commandments….
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”

Abide in the Light of the Truth….1 John 2…..
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not inhim.5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”
Did Jesus walk in sin? Of course not!
Jesus said in John 12:46 " I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not "abide in darkness."

Meaning you should not abide in "the works of darkness," which is sin.
Also no false doctrine, or lie is of the Truth…..21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is ofthe truth.”
Just as the prince of this world and his spirit has no place in Christ either…. John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”

Sin and darkness do not abide in the Light of Christ, and neither do those who still abide in sin and in darkness.

Jesus said whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin, and a servant of sin will not abide in His house forever.

Brethren, abide in Christ. Peace and God bless
Another person who thinks they never sin in thought word or deed 24/7! God doesn't agree with yo0u thankfully.

By saying you never sin anymore it means the following:

You have perfect knowledge
You know all things God wishes for you to do and do them all without fail or hesitation.
You love all teh brfethren perfectly
You pray without ceasing.

all your prayers are answered in the positive for you will not ever pray something that is not in the perfect will of God.
You have perfect knowledge of the word of God

It must be lonely for the four of you on this forum who are deceived into belieivng you never sin being by yourselves.

You have made the sign of salvation, not the blood of Jesus but you rsinless perfection.

You know nothing of grace. mercy, and the kindness and Love of God.

YOu declarfe if one commits a sin, they are not in christ! Truly truly truly sad.
 

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Another person who thinks they never sin in thought word or deed 24/7! God doesn't agree with yo0u thankfully.

By saying you never sin anymore it means the following:

You have perfect knowledge
You know all things God wishes for you to do and do them all without fail or hesitation.
You love all teh brfethren perfectly
You pray without ceasing.

all your prayers are answered in the positive for you will not ever pray something that is not in the perfect will of God.
You have perfect knowledge of the word of God

It must be lonely for the four of you on this forum who are deceived into belieivng you never sin being by yourselves.

You have made the sign of salvation, not the blood of Jesus but you rsinless perfection.

You know nothing of grace. mercy, and the kindness and Love of God.

YOu declarfe if one commits a sin, they are not in christ! Truly truly truly sad.
And again "in Christ" there is no sin….. 1 John 3…..
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."
 
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And again "in Christ" there is no sin….. 1 John 3…..
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."
There is help for believers deluded as you are to think you longer ever sin at all in your body.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
 

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8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Yes it is written “for ALL have sinned” and that is what John is saying above. In those days, and even still today there are those who do not believe in God, or in sin. But both John and Paul did not say we’re supposed to keep on sinning after being born again. To the contrary, we are to be made free from sin.

Romans 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
 
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Yes it is written “for ALL have sinned” and that is what John is saying above. In those days, and even still today there are those who do not believe in God, or in sin. But both John and Paul did not say we’re supposed to keep on sinning after being born again. To the contrary, we are to be made free from sin.

Romans 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Romans 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Now you need to do a study on what they both meant by sinneth not

If you wish to believe that from the moment you were saved, you were given the immense amount of knowledge by osmosis or whatever so that you have never sinned since you were born again, that is your privilege no matter how deceived you are.

I do pray that one day you fall in such a way as you cannot excuse it, justify it,m or twist it around to try to convince you you did not sin.

when you do and tumble and fall, we will be here to help pick you up, texch you the truth, and show you teh depths and riches of Gods love goes beyond sin. No one here is saying go ahead and sin.

You are not the first one who pretends this . I did as well. but Lord willing you will learn and repent of this deception.
 

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Now you need to do a study on what they both meant by sinneth not

If you wish to believe that from the moment you were saved, you were given the immense amount of knowledge by osmosis or whatever so that you have never sinned since you were born again, that is your privilege no matter how deceived you are.

I do pray that one day you fall in such a way as you cannot excuse it, justify it,m or twist it around to try to convince you you did not sin.

when you do and tumble and fall, we will be here to help pick you up, texch you the truth, and show you teh depths and riches of Gods love goes beyond sin. No one here is saying go ahead and sin.

You are not the first one who pretends this . I did as well. but Lord willing you will learn and repent of this deception.
Jesus said go and sin no more.
 

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Jesus said go and sin no more.
But we all do! that is why Jesus said to forgive 70X7, why the e[pistles are loaded with exhortations to cast aside sins, and why when we sin , if we acknowlede it, God is faithful to forgive us.

You think the moment you got saved you started living a perfect life! You are decieved.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

In Christ none of us sin. but at times we all turn back to the human nature which can do nothing but sin. You have a lot to learn about the Christian life and positional versus experiential truth.
 

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Jesus said in John 15:1-10 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.2 Every branch inme that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.3 Now ye are cleanthrough the word which I have spoken unto you.4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide inmy love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”
Ok, some claim all Christians still "abide in sin",and that they "keep on sinning" even though they claim to have been born again of God's Holy Spirit. And even despite that ongoing disobedience and reoccurring sin they proclaim you still "abide inChrist". This my friends is false doctrine, because you cannot remain in sin and also remain inChrist at the same time.
Notice Jesus said in order to bear fruit one must"abide in Him", that also means believing in and abiding in His words. And here is what it means to abide in Him…

1 John 3:9 “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
The "seed" mentioned there is "Christ".

And again to "abide in Christ" is to 1 John 3:6 “Whosoeverabideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinnethhath not seen him, neither known him.”

So the simple truth is in order to bear good fruit we must "abide in Christ", which is to "abide in God's Word". And as we saw above to "abide in His love" we must keep His commandments" And to abide in Christ and remain in Christ one must stop sinning, because sinning is not abiding in Gods Word, neither is sinning abiding in the faith of Christ.
Now if one is still sinning are they truly "inChrist"? Not according to the words of God. Also we are shown in John 15 what happens if one inHim does not bear good fruit, Jesus said in John 15:2 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away:”
So anyone in him that does not bear good fruit he takes away, meaning you will no longer "abide in"the Life of Christ (the vine).


And not only that we are told in verse 6 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."
That is not salvation people, that is Destruction.
Also we cannot bear good fruit on our own except we abide in Him John 15:4 “Abide in me, and I inyou. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.”

And again, to abide in Christ means you cannotabide in sin. Sin is not good fruit.
And if you remain in sin, then you truly don’t "abide in Christ" do you? And as Jesus said, those who do not "abide in Him" are cast forth as a branch, and then gathered and cast into the fireand burned.

Christ is not a vine of sin (minister of sin) Galatians 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.

Anyone who says you can abide in sin and still remain in Christ at the same time is a liar and a deceiver.
It is written in 2 John 9-10 “ Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:”

It is your sins that separate you from God…
Isaiah 59:2 “But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.”
Just as Jesus is separated from sinners…..
Hebrews 7:26 “For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate fromsinners, and made higher than the heavens;”

And again "in Christ" there is no sin….. 1 John 3…..
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."

And to Love God and to "abide in Christ" is to keep His commandments….
24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwells in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.”

Abide in the Light of the Truth….1 John 2…..
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not inhim.5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.”
Did Jesus walk in sin? Of course not!
Jesus said in John 12:46 " I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes on me should not "abide in darkness."

Meaning you should not abide in "the works of darkness," which is sin.
Also no false doctrine, or lie is of the Truth…..21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is ofthe truth.”
Just as the prince of this world and his spirit has no place in Christ either…. John 14:30 “Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.”

Sin and darkness do not abide in the Light of Christ, and neither do those who still abide in sin and in darkness.

Jesus said whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin, and a servant of sin will not abide in His house forever.

Brethren, abide in Christ. Peace and God bless
It seems Paul hits upon this when he says both "there is no condemnation for those in Christ" (Ro 8:1), but, also, "the one who eats without faith is condemned, for what ever does not proceed from faith is sin" (Ro 14:23), because that is breaking the rule "each man must be fully convinced in his own mind" (Ro 14:5).

How is it that there is no condemnation for those "in Christ", yet the believer who sins is "condemned", except that the sinning believer is not remaining "in Christ"?

1 John 3:23,24 says the Command of God is 1) believe in the Name of God's Son, and 2) love one another--and the one who keeps God's commands abides in God and God in him.

"Faith works by love" : walking in full conviction is walking in love, and plays a part in keeping a person in Christ, it seems.
 

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It seems Paul hits upon this when he says both "there is no condemnation for those in Christ" (Ro 8:1), but, also, "the one who eats without faith is condemned, for what ever does not proceed from faith is sin" (Ro 14:23), because that is breaking the rule "each man must be fully convinced in his own mind" (Ro 14:5).

How is it that there is no condemnation for those "in Christ", yet the believer who sins is "condemned", except that the sinning believer is not remaining "in Christ"?

1 John 3:23,24 says the Command of God is 1) believe in the Name of God's Son, and 2) love one another--and the one who keeps God's commands abides in God and God in him.

"Faith works by love" : walking in full conviction is walking in love, and plays a part in keeping a person in Christ, it seems.
Love is the fulfilling of the law. If we love God we will keep His commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

If we love our neighbor we will not sin against him.

Romans 13:8
Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Romans 13:10
Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself