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Generally, all it takes for proponents to rethink the situation-- is one adverse event. Here, in California- where electric vehicles have been heavily subsidized and almost ram-rodded into garages, buyer's remorse is real. Folks can't give them away. When you have to sit in line for hours for your turn, to then sit for hours again to charge your car-- well, it kind of takes the shine off. Then-- when as just happened in Aus, when the power goes out and you need it most-- you again are left stranded.

It's ironic when the greenies finally realize that coal is being used primarily, to power their electric vehicles.
Good thing I never had enough to buy an EV anyway and I never took out a loan on one, it's a big waste of money, I once was attracted to idea, but am no longer. And what's the point when you live in a forest area with half a dozen outages a year anyway?

And you may save on petrol, but when you need a new battery it's pretty much a throw away. Put that money towards property or a roof over your head instead.

If the government made everyone get one, they will just jack up electricity prices further and there would be more power failures, not due to collapsed trees or strong winds, but due to power grid overload.

I dunno what their goal really is and they have got people really believing the lies.... Why did Labor party get in? It was on the back of "we will do more for the climate than the others", it was on the back of a promise of "cheaper green reliable energy," when in reality it has been more expensive for many and demanding on the environment. And the same has happened in other countries...
 

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Germany and Great Britain--Canaries in the Net Zero Mine?​


By Jack Dini ——Bio and Archives--February 14, 2024
Cover Story

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Something rather amazing is happening across Western Europe, although American media outlets would like to pretend that nothing is happening. The sea change is that ordinary people are pushing back against green policies that will destroy farming and also the food supply. (1)

The farmers protests began last year in the Netherlands, when the government announced that it intended to cut livestock farming by 30 percent to prevent greenhouse gases. Because these policies are not limited to the Netherlands but have spread across Europe, the same farmer protests are now in other European nations.

Germany​

Brussels removed the order on reduced emissions linked to agriculture after mounting anger across Europe. The European Union has caved in to angry protests from farmers and cut a target to slash agriculture emissions as part of the bloc's net zero drive. A demand to reduce nitrogen, methane and other emissions linked to farming by almost a third has been removed from a wider Brussels plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 90 percent by 2040. (2)

In spite of the above, Germany is currently in recession and the economic outlook is anything but positive. The economic upturn through the green transformation promised by Chancellor Olaf Scholz is unlikely to materialize in 2024. The Financial Times reported: "Germany was the worst performing major economy in the world last year." (3)

One of the factors exacerbating this recession is the high energy prices caused by green policies. They are causing companies to relocate their business abroad or even temporarily shut down their production facilities.

Some examples: Construction equipment manufacturer Liebherr is putting 1,000 employees on short time working for 9 months. Stiehl, Gardena, and Hansgrohe are 'opting for short time working and job cuts.' Other famous German companies planning cuts include textile group Groz-Beckert and chainsaw manufacturer Stihl.

Leverkusen-based pharmaceutical and agrochemical group Bayer plan massive job cuts. Another victim of Germany's green policies is renowned iron foundry and automotive supplier Eisenwerk Hasenclever & Sohn. Despite a proud history of 250 years the firm has now filed for insolvency. Machinery builder Hornag has announced that it will cut some 600 jobs worldwide. (4)

Not only politicians, but also companies are starting to get hysterical when it comes to climate. There are now drastic wage cuts if employees drive or eat meat. The soccer club Vfl Osnabruck calculates on how much salary to deduct based on things like how far its employees travel to work and how much meat they consume. However, in the current environment of a skilled workers shortage, other companies may be extremely hesitant to enact such a draconian and personally intrusive policy. It also likely violates the German labor laws. In any case it does show just how loony the climate craze is getting. (5)

What is the driver of inflation and all the German economic misery? The rising cost of energy caused by the government's incompetent energy policies.

The German electricity price is three times as high as in the US. Criticism is being voiced about Germany's energy policy. This exists over the fact that the phase out of coal and nuclear energy is not well coordinated with the European Union. Energy policy has three main objectives: low prices, security of supply and environmental protection with regard to carbon dioxide emissions. German energy policy performs poorly in all three areas. (4)

The entire energy transition is a complete total failure. Even with the redistribution of hundreds of billions of euros, more economic damage has been done than any benefit achieved. The country is still extremely far away from the so-called climate goals in terms of decarbonization. (6)

Germany's renewable energies have gone from a boom to crisis. The outlook for the renewable energy sector has deteriorated drastically and affordable raw materials have become hard to get. Manufacturers are now reeling. The renewable energy sector is facing the abyss and is on the brink. (7)

Energy poverty is spreading in Germany. Citizens, especially seniors, can no longer keep warm at home. Senior citizens, due to high energy prices, are being increasingly forced into a life of poverty and struggling to keep warm at home. Many pensioners can no longer pay heating costs and so they spend time at so-called warming places, like charitable organizations. It's just too expensive to pay for heat at home. (8)



Great Britain​

Dozens of British wind farms run by some of Europe's largest energy companies have routinely overestimated how much power they'll produce adding millions of pounds a year to consumers' electricity bills. These extra costs are linked to a growing problem with Britain's outdated electricity network. On blustery days, too much wind power risks overloading the system, and the grid operator must respond by paying some firms not to generate. This curtailment costs consumers hundreds of millions of pounds each year. (9)

At last year's UN climate conference in Dubai. the Biden administration agreed to triple the world's renewable energy capacity by 2050. It also joined the Powering Past Coal Alliance pledging to eliminate coal powered generation. Britain has been going down this path since 2008, when Parliament wrote an 80 percent decarbonization target into law, which it raised to 100 percent, or net zero, in 2018. This luxury net zero policy, which only the rich can afford has been devastating for both businesses and ordinary Britons just trying to heat their homes and get to work. (10)

Anyone looking to combat the activists pushing a net zero agenda in the US would be wise to read Rupert Darwall's report entitled "The Folly of Climate Leadership. (11)

The analysis tells the story of Great Britain and the cries for decarbonization, starting when Parliament wrote an 80% decrease in emissions target into law in 2008. They raised to 100%, or net zero, in 2019. The results have clearly been catastrophic.

Since decarbonization efforts commenced, Britain's economy has grown at half the rate as it did from 1990-2008. This is the second worst period of peacetime growth since 1780.

In addition to the economic malaise, British energy prices have skyrocketed, and Britons are now concerned with how to survive the effect of those costs on their wallets, as they look to heat and power their homes and businesses, travel for work and pleasure and live life as best they can. (12)

The difference between British energy costs and those in the US are staggering. Britons paid an average of $228 per megawatt hour (MWh) for electricity generated from coal in 2022, whereas Americans paid an average of $27 per MWh. For natural gas, 2022 saw Britons paying $251 per MWh, versus American consumers averaging $61 per MWh for their power.

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The same arguments that have crippled Germany and Britain's economy are now being used by the Biden Administration with zealots in cabinet level positions, including Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm, Interior Secretary Deb Haaland, and EPA Director Michael Regan, pushing the message from their bully pulpits.

The recent, and completely misnamed, Inflation Reduction Act passed by Congress provided the zealots with nearly $400 billion to dole out to supportive organizations and start-ups to jump start our nation's push for net zero. Those dollars, doled out with few oversights or performance metrics attached in many cases, have produced very few wins in the last year, unless a win is measured by keeping political cronies happy and rich.

Consider: wind energy projects in Nebraska, Colorado, Rhode Island, Connecticut, and New Jersey were scrapped last year, even after untold millions of federal dollars went to their developers. Over 100 solar companies went bankrupt and solar projects from California to Florida were shuttered in the middle of their development. (12)

This is a warning for everyone else because Germany, Great Britain and Europe generally, are much further down the path of the net zero transition than the US.

There are no optimistic economic signals in sight. Energy prices, inflation and catastrophic economic policies are rapidly sinking economic prosperity.

Germany and others are thus impressively showing the world that the green craze is doomed to failure. These people do not want to sacrifice their quality of life and their jobs to some utopian goals that are in any case based only on ideological assumptions and incomplete data sets.

After years of misguided energy policies, Europe's electricity has become so expensive that trade unions have started warning of the threat of deindustrialization. The warning will hopefully prove a salutary one for the US, which is now headed down the same road to energy serfdom. (13)


References​

1. Andrea Widburg, "Boiling point reached on green policies," principia-scientific.com, February 12, 2024
2. "Net zero dropped by EU after farmers protest," principia- scientific.com, February 9, 2024
3. P. Gosselin, "Sickest economy in Europe: green policies corrode business, Germany's economy plummets," notrickszone.com, January 16, 2024
4. P. Gosselin, "Green bloodbath: major industries closing down as German energy prices soar," wattsupwiththat.com, November 15, 2024
5. P. Gosselin, "Germany: employer now docking wages of employees who eat meat, drive autos," notrickszone.com, October 25, 2023
6. P. Gosselin, "Germany's green craze is expensive, destructive, and useless, a total failure," notrickszone.com, October 31, 2023
7. P. Gosselin, "Germany: renewable energy sector facing the abyss, on the brink, economy breaking up," notrickszone.com, December 27, 2023
8. P. Gosselin, "Heat becomes unaffordable in Germany, seniors struggle staying warm at public heating places," notrickszone.com, January 23, 2024
9. James Freeman, "Waste in the wind: green subsidies fleecing UK electricity customers," climatechangedispatch.com, February 6, 2024
10. Andy Puzder, "Britain's disastrous path to net zero is a warning to the US," heritage.org, February 8, 2024
11. Rupert Darwall, "The Folly of Climate Leadership", Real Clear Foundation, December 2023
12. Rick Whitbeck, "New report highlights green failure in Europe and warns America," realclearenergy.org, January 4, 2024
13. Mario Loyola, "High electricity prices have Europe facing deindustrialization; don't let it happen here," thehill.com, January 28, 2024
 
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Germany and Great Britain--Canaries in the Net Zero Mine?​


By Jack Dini ——Bio and Archives--February 14, 2024
Cover Story

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Something rather amazing is happening across Western Europe, although American media outlets would like to pretend that nothing is happening. The sea change is that ordinary people are pushing back against green policies that will destroy farming and also the food supply. (1)

The farmers protests began last year in the Netherlands, when the government announced that it intended to cut livestock farming by 30 percent to prevent greenhouse gases. Because these policies are not limited to the Netherlands but have spread across Europe, the same farmer protests are now in other European nations.

Germany​

Brussels removed the order on reduced emissions linked to agriculture after mounting anger across Europe. The European Union has caved in to angry protests from farmers and cut a target to slash agriculture emissions as part of the bloc's net zero drive. A demand to reduce nitrogen, methane and other emissions linked to farming by almost a third has been removed from a wider Brussels plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 90 percent by 2040. (2)

In spite of the above, Germany is currently in recession and the economic outlook is anything but positive. The economic upturn through the green transformation promised by Chancellor Olaf Scholz is unlikely to materialize in 2024. The Financial Times reported: "Germany was the worst performing major economy in the world last year." (3)

One of the factors exacerbating this recession is the high energy prices caused by green policies. They are causing companies to relocate their business abroad or even temporarily shut down their production facilities.

Some examples: Construction equipment manufacturer Liebherr is putting 1,000 employees on short time working for 9 months. Stiehl, Gardena, and Hansgrohe are 'opting for short time working and job cuts.' Other famous German companies planning cuts include textile group Groz-Beckert and chainsaw manufacturer Stihl.

Leverkusen-based pharmaceutical and agrochemical group Bayer plan massive job cuts. Another victim of Germany's green policies is renowned iron foundry and automotive supplier Eisenwerk Hasenclever & Sohn. Despite a proud history of 250 years the firm has now filed for insolvency. Machinery builder Hornag has announced that it will cut some 600 jobs worldwide. (4)

Not only politicians, but also companies are starting to get hysterical when it comes to climate. There are now drastic wage cuts if employees drive or eat meat. The soccer club Vfl Osnabruck calculates on how much salary to deduct based on things like how far its employees travel to work and how much meat they consume. However, in the current environment of a skilled workers shortage, other companies may be extremely hesitant to enact such a draconian and personally intrusive policy. It also likely violates the German labor laws. In any case it does show just how loony the climate craze is getting. (5)

What is the driver of inflation and all the German economic misery? The rising cost of energy caused by the government's incompetent energy policies.

The German electricity price is three times as high as in the US. Criticism is being voiced about Germany's energy policy. This exists over the fact that the phase out of coal and nuclear energy is not well coordinated with the European Union. Energy policy has three main objectives: low prices, security of supply and environmental protection with regard to carbon dioxide emissions. German energy policy performs poorly in all three areas. (4)

The entire energy transition is a complete total failure. Even with the redistribution of hundreds of billions of euros, more economic damage has been done than any benefit achieved. The country is still extremely far away from the so-called climate goals in terms of decarbonization. (6)

Germany's renewable energies have gone from a boom to crisis. The outlook for the renewable energy sector has deteriorated drastically and affordable raw materials have become hard to get. Manufacturers are now reeling. The renewable energy sector is facing the abyss and is on the brink. (7)

Energy poverty is spreading in Germany. Citizens, especially seniors, can no longer keep warm at home. Senior citizens, due to high energy prices, are being increasingly forced into a life of poverty and struggling to keep warm at home. Many pensioners can no longer pay heating costs and so they spend time at so-called warming places, like charitable organizations. It's just too expensive to pay for heat at home. (8)



Great Britain​

Dozens of British wind farms run by some of Europe's largest energy companies have routinely overestimated how much power they'll produce adding millions of pounds a year to consumers' electricity bills. These extra costs are linked to a growing problem with Britain's outdated electricity network. On blustery days, too much wind power risks overloading the system, and the grid operator must respond by paying some firms not to generate. This curtailment costs consumers hundreds of millions of pounds each year. (9)

At last year's UN climate conference in Dubai. the Biden administration agreed to triple the world's renewable energy capacity by 2050. It also joined the Powering Past Coal Alliance pledging to eliminate coal powered generation. Britain has been going down this path since 2008, when Parliament wrote an 80 percent decarbonization target into law, which it raised to 100 percent, or net zero, in 2018. This luxury net zero policy, which only the rich can afford has been devastating for both businesses and ordinary Britons just trying to heat their homes and get to work. (10)

Anyone looking to combat the activists pushing a net zero agenda in the US would be wise to read Rupert Darwall's report entitled "The Folly of Climate Leadership. (11)

The analysis tells the story of Great Britain and the cries for decarbonization, starting when Parliament wrote an 80% decrease in emissions target into law in 2008. They raised to 100%, or net zero, in 2019. The results have clearly been catastrophic.

Since decarbonization efforts commenced, Britain's economy has grown at half the rate as it did from 1990-2008. This is the second worst period of peacetime growth since 1780.

In addition to the economic malaise, British energy prices have skyrocketed, and Britons are now concerned with how to survive the effect of those costs on their wallets, as they look to heat and power their homes and businesses, travel for work and pleasure and live life as best they can. (12)

The difference between British energy costs and those in the US are staggering. Britons paid an average of $228 per megawatt hour (MWh) for electricity generated from coal in 2022, whereas Americans paid an average of $27 per MWh. For natural gas, 2022 saw Britons paying $251 per MWh, versus American consumers averaging $61 per MWh for their power.

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Yikes Europe is worse on this, what's up with Germany cutting pay to soccer players who drive and eat meat, that's criminal, I read further into this, they actually measure the carbon footprint of each soccer player.

That is nuts!


I have heard about reducing the number of cows to reduce greenhouse gases in Europe before though, and that's just ridiculous, what they release from their behinds is purely natural..

So question is when does Australia wake up to this green pipe dream costing the standard of living? Because I really don't want to see this go down the path of Europe, but still so many don't realise it..... Yeah there is talk about recycling turbines and batteries, but c'mon we have had problems with what we put in the recycling bins actually getting recycled and ending up into the landfill instead.

The truth is it's not really all that profitable..... And every business has to be able to pay their bills.



And just recently.....

"The Victorian government is set to lose millions of dollars it invested in a scrap metal recycling company, after the business went into administration earlier this year.

The Victorian Business Growth Fund investment in Pacific Metal Group, reportedly worth $10m, will probably be lost after the company collapsed in January after a fire at its scrapyard in Laverton North.
"

So how are they going to recycle all the wind turbines, solar panels and batteries when they already have some difficulties recycling the basics????

The answer is simple, they won't, and yes there will be more fires, that are more toxic as a result of it.
 

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Yikes Europe is worse on this, what's up with Germany cutting pay to soccer players who drive and eat meat, that's criminal, I read further into this, they actually measure the carbon footprint of each soccer player.

That is nuts!


I have heard about reducing the number of cows to reduce greenhouse gases in Europe before though, and that's just ridiculous, what they release from their behinds is purely natural..

So question is when does Australia wake up to this green pipe dream costing the standard of living? Because I really don't want to see this go down the path of Europe, but still so many don't realise it..... Yeah there is talk about recycling turbines and batteries, but c'mon we have had problems with what we put in the recycling bins actually getting recycled and ending up into the landfill instead.

The truth is it's not really all that profitable..... And every business has to be able to pay their bills.



And just recently.....

"The Victorian government is set to lose millions of dollars it invested in a scrap metal recycling company, after the business went into administration earlier this year.

The Victorian Business Growth Fund investment in Pacific Metal Group, reportedly worth $10m, will probably be lost after the company collapsed in January after a fire at its scrapyard in Laverton North.
"

So how are they going to recycle all the wind turbines, solar panels and batteries when they already have some difficulties recycling the basics????

The answer is simple, they won't, and yes there will be more fires, that are more toxic as a result of it.
I think you have a better handle on this subject than I do.

I look on rubbish/trash day in my HOA community and see that the yellow lid and green plastic recycling bins put out are less that 40 percent as expected for 100% compliance . Folks still mix their non-recyclables with the recyclables in the all green bins. And this recycling program/govt policies in the US began in the late 70s and it still has not caught on. Now they want to mandate further and go even deeper and wider to find all ways to recycle that will definitely have a negative impact on the economy and standard of living.

And that soccer carbon-foot print/pay effort in Germany is something I did not know about. It is sick to say the least.

So where's it all going, down the tubes (pun intended) or become more invasive in our lives and chip away at more of folks earnings even with/in more special 'carbon' taxes.

And if you have a business you might have a more at stake in all this, that can hamper it dearly.

Those electric vehicles like Tesla have these huge batteries in them and when they are spent, that still have no 'safe' disposables place to dispose of them all. Dedicated landfills won't work this time.
 

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The things she says is horrible, to think like she does, these people are planning to destroy everything cause you cannot have human society with insufficient energy production.

She's trying top prove her worth so they won't whack her as being a useless eater funny.gif
 

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It's summer....



----hundreds of power poles and lines were down across the state, and the wild weather collapsed six transmission powers near Anakie yesterday afternoon.

The Loy Yang A power station also tripped and was disconnected from the grid, leading to Aemo enacting load shedding to keep the power system secure.

Load shedding distributes demand for electrical power across multiple power sources. This was cancelled “after a short period”, the department said, and all 90,000 customers impacted by this have their power restored.

The department said last night:
What type of Plant is the Loy Yang A power plant? That determines how they need to go about powering it back up. I dealt in everything Transmission and Distribution wise .....Nuclear Power is the way to go. I'm being told that when a fast charging station has all five bays filled, the power drawn for an hour charge equals to total consumption of a Super Wal Mart for a day. Was talking to a line crew installing a Distribution transformer at a charging station. We both agreed that the stupidity of Politicians should be guided by the reality of the Pros in attempting to change the entire system .....There was never a plan, never a proposal that involved working equipment to do this. All on the fly ...
 

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Just when you thought things couldn't get worse for electric vehicles----weight! There's more! (pun by me)

They are too heavy.

They cause excessive wear and tear on residential streets-- that were never designed for big trucks, nor heavy electric vehicles. The green machines are being blamed for an increase in pot holes. If it seems like streets in your town are going to pot suddenly-- look no farther than your neighbor's Tesla or Rivian.

And while you look that way--say a prayer for their safety on the road. Recent incidents show that because of this excessive weight-- our nation's guardrails are not adequate to keep electric vehicles from plowing right through them to peril.





Double the potholes!

 

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Just when you thought things couldn't get worse for electric vehicles----weight! There's more! (pun by me)

They are too heavy.

They cause excessive wear and tear on residential streets-- that were never designed for big trucks, nor heavy electric vehicles. The green machines are being blamed for an increase in pot holes. If it seems like streets in your town are going to pot suddenly-- look no farther than your neighbor's Tesla or Rivian.

And while you look that way--say a prayer for their safety on the road. Recent incidents show that because of this excessive weight-- our nation's guardrails are not adequate to keep electric vehicles from plowing right through them to peril.





Double the potholes!

and how do the hundreds of makes and models of vehicles that are heavier then the tessla fare against guardrails?
 

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We know the carbon footprint they actually want to reduce is us.

Nothing saves the environment like a shutdown in EV modes of travel.

You know,electricity. Yes,made by tiny fairies rapidly rubbing their wings together so to generate friction.

No? Coal mining and nuclear reactors instead? WHAT!
 

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and how do the hundreds of makes and models of vehicles that are heavier then the tessla fare against guardrails?

They don't. They are designed for passenger vehicles that average 4000 lbs or less. The U.S. guardrail system was not made to handle vehicles greater than 5,000 pounds.

But the entire purpose of guardrails, found along tens of thousands of miles of roadway, is to help keep passenger vehicles from leaving the road, said Michael Brooks, executive director of the nonprofit Center for Auto Safety. Guardrails are intended to keep cars from careening off the road at critical areas, such as over bridges and waterways, near the edges of cliffs and ravines and over rocky terrain, where injury and death in an off-the-road crash are much more likely.
 

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They don't. They are designed for passenger vehicles that average 4000 lbs or less. The U.S. guardrail system was not made to handle vehicles greater than 5,000 pounds.
so every pick up truck, land rover, mini-van, suburban, hummer, most jeeps, escalade, mercedes, cadalac is not only not safe in regards to guardrails but causing all those pot holes. And they outnumber tesslas on the road by hundreds to one. Yet no complaints about them. Gotta wonder why.
 

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so every pick up truck, land rover, mini-van, suburban, hummer, most jeeps, escalade, mercedes, cadalac is not only not safe in regards to guardrails but causing all those pot holes. And they outnumber tesslas on the road by hundreds to one. Yet no complaints about them. Gotta wonder why.

When folks buy a "bigger" vehicle-- a truck, a motorhome, a bus-- or drive a big rig-- they accept the fact that these vehicles are bigger, heavier, more difficult to stop and more dangerous to drive than "regular" passenger vehicles. Mark my words-- the day is coming when buyers of electric vehicles will have to sign an acknowledgment of a manufacturer's disclaimer that states something to the effect of accepting the inherent risk associated with those electric vehicles.

Oh and then municipalities will start assessing per mile road damage penalties on EV owners.
 
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When folks buy a "bigger" vehicle-- a truck, a motorhome, a bus-- or drive a big rig-- they accept the fact that these vehicles are bigger, heavier, more difficult to stop and more dangerous to drive than "regular" passenger vehicles. Mark my words-- the day is coming when buyers of electric vehicles will have to sign an acknowledgment of a manufacturer's disclaimer that states something to the effect of accepting the inherent risk associated with those electric vehicles.

Oh and then municipalities will start assessing per mile road damage penalties on EV owners.
oh it's one of those "it's different" that's why " things
 

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When folks buy a "bigger" vehicle-- a truck, a motorhome, a bus-- or drive a big rig-- they accept the fact that these vehicles are bigger, heavier, more difficult to stop and more dangerous to drive than "regular" passenger vehicles. Mark my words-- the day is coming when buyers of electric vehicles will have to sign an acknowledgment of a manufacturer's disclaimer that states something to the effect of accepting the inherent risk associated with those electric vehicles.

Oh and then municipalities will start assessing per mile road damage penalties on EV owners.
Especially of the bursting into fire.
 
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and how do the hundreds of makes and models of vehicles that are heavier then the tessla fare against guardrails?

The batteries hide the weight issue because you don't see the battery.

Biden has recently said ....."The EV push was bad policy. We have an election coming up and every stupid mistake we made with green is now being put on hold." OK boy wonder with no plan to transition to electric .....How about giving those billions without a place to go .....back to the country and reduce the deficit?