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[marks]

each time it will be harder to close, because the hearing the Spirit becomes duller each time

Hi CL,

I like your post! For the most part. This part above, I don't know. It seems to me that the dulling of the hearing of the Spirit is itself an "opening of the door to the flesh", as it were.

I think rather than it being harder to stop walking according to the flesh, I mean, we can do that in the moment we realize we have been, by turning in faith back to God, no, this idea that the flesh takes on power, that it's harder to resist, I don't know about that.

I know that there are physical aspects to temptations to sin, like the ex-addict who still gets cravings for the drug. So then someone gives in to temptation, and it can strengthen the flesh in that sense. But in power over our spirit? Or the Holy Spirit?

I think that any failing to hear the Holy Spirit would be from the deception of the flesh, which is actively against us.

But in faith we walk in the spirit, the new man, and the new man is united to God. His Spirit testifies With our spirit that we are children of God. When we turn in faith to Him we find there is no breach, and there has been no breach, which is the true meaning of justification.

Much love!

 

[marks]

The permanent removal of guilt is always the best blessing because it allows us to fellowship with God and with one another. Annulling sin's desire in us via the new nature frees us to be able to know the peace and love of God as our sole sustenance.

I like the way you put this. This is something I've been meditating on for a while now, how all sin is seeking to fill some perceived need as if God is leaving something lacking.

I've been thinking a lot about the trees in the garden, that Adam chose to know good and evil, and all life became about that, for him, and all who come after him. In Jesus, in choosing life, letting go of that other tree seems to be a very difficult thing to do!

But that's the importance of our justification, that being the permanent removal of our guilt, and releasing us from the source of all our sin, the flesh, by making us a new creature.

As long as we continue to own the guilt of the flesh, we will lack in our fellowship with God.

Oh how happy is the man to whom God will not impute sin!!

Much love!

 

[marks]

That is what I hope you will someday agree to, and not that He just takes away our guilt. That to me means we can sin and not feel guilty about it. That is so far from holiness it makes the angels cry, and made Jude write that some turn the grace of God into licentiousness.

It's not permission. No. Sin is bad, and God wants only good for you. But if you do sin, you do not need to feel guilty about it, no.

It was in realizing that even sin right now does not condemn me, that I've been justified from sin, separated permanently, that's what allowed me to realize that this is the grace to help in time of need. My need is when I'm tangled up in sin. Drifted into the mind of the flesh. Whether it be worry or some horrible thing (all sin is horrible!) knowing that God does not condemn me lets me reach out to Him knowing He is always here with me loving me, here to help me, to bring me into liberty in all respects.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

I like your replies here! My primary encouragement is knowing that those who are reborn are permanently kept abiding in Christ by the Father who has established us in salvation (Phl 1:6).


The permanent removal of guilt is always the best blessing because it allows us to fellowship with God and with one another. Annulling sin's desire in us via the new nature frees us to be able to know the peace and love of God as our sole sustenance.

God's blessings to your Family, and God be blessed!

I can agree with that, as long as you expand what you mean by "no guilt." I would think freedom from sin would be the greatest blessing, as our sin was what was actually separating us from God. If you are not sinning then, of course, you have no guilt. Your conscience is clear which there is actually scripture on (1 John 3:18-24). You've been keeping that hidden. Why?

 

[CharismaticLady]

I think rather than it being harder to stop walking according to the flesh, I mean, we can do that in the moment we realize we have been, by turning in faith back to God, no, this idea that the flesh takes on power, that it's harder to resist, I don't know about that.

Just a quick reply. When we are walking in the Spirit, it is easy to hear God's voice. Step out of the Spirit through quenching, and the Spirit gives us quick conviction. That is when we turn back. But those who don't, that quick conviction becomes duller, and as Peter and the proverb says, it is like a dog going back to his own vomit.

 

[marks]

Just a quick reply. When we are walking in the Spirit, it is easy to hear God's voice. Step out of the Spirit through quenching, and the Spirit gives us quick conviction. That is when we turn back. But those who don't, that quick conviction becomes duller, and as Peter and the proverb says, it is like a dog going back to his own vomit.

We think of this very differently.

God never stops working.

The dog returns to it's vomit, the man after the flesh serves the flesh, but the child of God is not the man after the flesh, that is the son of Adam.

Much love!

 

[Netchaplain]

As long as we continue to own the guilt of the flesh, we will lack in our fellowship with God.
Oh how happy is the man to whom God will not impute sin!!

True, we're to own up to the old man but not it's guilt! I can see though why so many legalistic believers get caught up here, because they are still not putting all on God (1Pe 5:7), and at times are yet putting dependence on self instead.

Blessings!

 

[Netchaplain]

I can agree with that, as long as you expand what you mean by "no guilt." I would think freedom from sin would be the greatest blessing, as our sin was what was actually separating us from God. If you are not sinning then, of course, you have no guilt. Your conscience is clear which there is actually scripture on (1 John 3:18-24). You've been keeping that hidden. Why?

Not certain I understand all you're trying to share, but I think we agree as to believers always being guiltless. It's my my understanding that a believer will evidence a life of continual lessening of sinning, but I believe the guilt was not from sinning but from possessing the old man--the sin source or nature, which we are no longer in, though it is still in us (Rom 8:9).

Blessings!

 

[CharismaticLady]

This part above, I don't know. It seems to me that the dulling of the hearing of the Spirit is itself an "opening of the door to the flesh", as it were.

Have a little time. Sorry, this is going so slow today.

The dulling of the hearing of the Spirit is not that God isn't speaking. It is our own opening of the door to the flesh that clogs the hearing.

You've heard the saying, use it or lose it. It is like that.

Hebrews 5:
though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

I know that there are physical aspects to temptations to sin, like the ex-addict who still gets cravings for the drug. So then someone gives in to temptation, and it can strengthen the flesh in that sense. But in power over our spirit? Or the Holy Spirit?

I think that any failing to hear the Holy Spirit would be from the deception of the flesh, which is actively against us.

What are you saying? Do you believe that giving in to the flesh does nothing to our spirit and the power of the Spirit? The Spirit only rules our spirit as long as He is master.

Romans 6:
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

Paul goes on to encourage the Romans, but don't think for a minute we cannot quench the Spirit.

 

[CharismaticLady]

It's not permission. No. Sin is bad, and God wants only good for you. But if you do sin, you do not need to feel guilty about it, no.

It was in realizing that even sin right now does not condemn me, that I've been justified from sin, separated permanently, that's what allowed me to realize that this is the grace to help in time of need. My need is when I'm tangled up in sin. Drifted into the mind of the flesh. Whether it be worry or some horrible thing (all sin is horrible!) knowing that God does not condemn me lets me reach out to Him knowing He is always here with me loving me, here to help me, to bring me into liberty in all respects.

Much love!

How are you going to repent if you don't feel guilty, if your conscience is seared?

1 Timothy 4:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron.

Don't let this happen to you, sweet brother.

 

[CharismaticLady]

We think of this very differently.

God never stops working.

The dog returns to it's vomit, the man after the flesh serves the flesh, but the child of God is not the man after the flesh, that is the son of Adam.

Much love!

A child of God does not act like a child of Adam.

 

[marks]

How are you going to repent if you don't feel guilty, if your conscience is seared?

Is repentance then based on feelings? And we should have feelings of condemnation? And otherwise the conscience is seared?

Repentance itself, from metanoia, is the "after mind", meta, after, noia, mind, metanoia is the "result of an exchanged mind". As we believe in the Lordship of Jesus we confess our own sinfulness, and have a paradigm change that is so much more than that as God then gives us the mind of Christ, a new mind, the new creation.

But I think you are asking, how are we going to stop sinning if we don't feel guilty? What about if we feel unfulfilled? If we feel lonely? If we simply recognize that what we're doing is not what God put us here to do, and come on! Let's get back to the good life! Doing eternal works. Not all that waste!

Guilt is a good motivator to think that you can't fellowship with God, even though Jesus has removed the obstacle of our guilt, having reconciled us to God.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Don't let this happen to you, sweet brother.

I am kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in that day. My inheritance is reserved for me in heaven, and shall not be given to another. It is reserved in heaven for me.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

Is repentance then based on feelings? And we should have feelings of condemnation? And otherwise the conscience is seared?

Repentance itself, from metanoia, is the "after mind", meta, after, noia, mind, metanoia is the "result of an exchanged mind". As we believe in the Lordship of Jesus we confess our own sinfulness, and have a paradigm change that is so much more than that as God then gives us the mind of Christ, a new mind, the new creation.

But I think you are asking, how are we going to stop sinning if we don't feel guilty? What about if we feel unfulfilled? If we feel lonely? If we simply recognize that what we're doing is not what God put us here to do, and come on! Let's get back to the good life! Doing eternal works. Not all that waste!

Guilt is a good motivator to think that you can't fellowship with God, even though Jesus has removed the obstacle of our guilt, having reconciled us to God.

Much love!

Paul asks the same question I did over the chaplains doctrine (without expansion) of "no guilt."

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?

The same doctrine of license to sin were active then too.

The long drawn-out definition that sanctification from sin is a life-long process, makes God a liar. As soon as we are cleansed of all sin and justified, we are sanctified (set apart unto God). We are dead to sin, and then, yes, then and only then we can be "guilt free."

Do not make the mistake of believing that "Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.” is about sins we are presently committing. No, it is on our past sins that were cleansed and FORGOTTEN, after repentance. God doesn't judge us on them anymore. Even though we did commit them, they are now cleansed by the blood of Jesus and not in God's memory.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I am kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in that day. My inheritance is reserved for me in heaven, and shall not be given to another. It is reserved in heaven for me.

Much love!

I agree. So am I.

 

[marks]

Paul asks the same question I did over the chaplains doctrine (without expansion) of "no guilt."

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace?

The same doctrine of license to sin were active then too.

I get the feeling you aren't reading me very carefully.

IF this is what you think I'm talking about.

 

[marks]

Break time.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I get the feeling you aren't reading me very carefully.

IF this is what you think I'm talking about.

Look at my post you responded to. Who was I talking about? You? No. You and I are pretty much on the same page. I was referring to the doctrine of "no guilt" by Netchaplain. No guilt from what? There are two things it could be.

1. Sins in our past we are cleansed from.
2. Sins we keep committing because we are not under the law, but grace, so sin so grace may abound guilt free?

marks, others read my posts to you besides you. And I've read your responses to him as well, and you may not agree with what he is not saying.

This morning God spoke to me and gave me a verse to look up on sinlessness. You know how we see on the forums there was only one person that was sinless and that was Christ? God gave me the answer and I am so excited, as I always am when He teaches me something new. Romans 8:29 Yes, Jesus was the first to be sinless out of many brethren! So don't let anyone pull that justification for their weakness again. The only Christians who are weak are the ones who have never truly repented and received the baptism of the Holy Spirit to be born again.

That makes two new lessons from God this week!!! (The first was that Jesus is our Savior, and the Christ who takes away our sin. Some who believe in Jesus as Savior, their ticket to heaven, don't know that He also takes away our desire to sin as the Messiah Daniel 9:24)

 

[marks]

Look at my post you responded to. Who was I talking about? You? No. You and I are pretty much on the same page. I was referring to the doctrine of "no guilt" by Netchaplain. No guilt from what? There are two things it could be.

We are justified which means that we are not guilty, and cannot become guilty.

And this is not permission to sin. It's freedom from sinning.

Much love!

 

[CharismaticLady]

We are justified which means that we are not guilty, and cannot become guilty.

And this is not permission to sin. It's freedom from sinning.

Much love!

Yes, as 2 Peter 1:2-9 says we are cleansed from our old sins, and given the power of God's grace to keep us free from sin.