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It is your interpretations of the scripture you are justifying. It is your interpretations I am questioning.
You are conflating your interpretations with the scriptures working from the premise that your views of the scriptures are infallible/ inerrant.

If sin is abhorrent to you...then don't sin by your conflagration.
You keep saying the issue is “my interpretation,” but you have not shown a single verse I used out of context. Not one. Pointing to Scripture and quoting it plainly is not the same thing as twisting it.

When God says, “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil” ~Isaiah 5:20, that is not my interpretation. That is His warning.

When God says rulers are supposed to “punish evil and protect the innocent” ~Romans 13:3–4, that is not my interpretation. That is His design for government.

When God calls the shedding of innocent blood sin ~Exodus 20:13, and calls same-sex acts against His created order ~Romans 1:26–27, that is not my interpretation. That is His Word, spoken clearly.

You can label these verses “my interpretations,” but you have not shown how the plain reading is wrong. You are simply rejecting what they say. And that is the real issue.

When someone does not like the truth Scripture gives, they claim the problem is “interpretation.” That avoids dealing with what God actually said.

You also warned me not to sin while confronting sin. Scripture already addresses that. It tells us to “judge with righteous judgment” ~John 7:24 and to “reprove the works of darkness” ~Ephesians 5:11. Obeying those commands is not sin. Ignoring them is.

So if you want to challenge what I’ve said, then address the verses themselves. Show from Scripture where I misused any of them. If you cannot, then the problem is not my view. The problem is that the Word of God is confronting yours.

Scripture says: someone who openly supports sin should not assume they are walking with Christ. The Bible never gives assurance to someone who treats sin lightly.
 
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Donald Trump casually announced that the United States had seized a “very large” oil tanker off the coast of Venezuela, "the largest ever."

And so it starts.
Stealing oil.
Your communist Biden Harris regime made the mess.
Trump has the guts to send those drug devils into the Abyss.
THE VENEZUELA GOV. IS BEHIND THE MESS BIDEN WAS TOO WEAK AND LAME to fix.
Thousands killed by the fentanyl you want back into our country.
What is wrong with you????

Having a man in the Whitehouse offends the woke radicals.
They demand we go back to the panzie communists.

May God Help us and the democrats get some sanity.
 

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You keep saying the issue is “my interpretation,” but you have not shown a single verse I used out of context. Not one. Pointing to Scripture and quoting it plainly is not the same thing as twisting it.

When God says, “Woe to those who call evil good and good evil” ~Isaiah 5:20, that is not my interpretation. That is His warning.

When God says rulers are supposed to “punish evil and protect the innocent” ~Romans 13:3–4, that is not my interpretation. That is His design for government.

When God calls the shedding of innocent blood sin ~Exodus 20:13, and calls same-sex acts against His created order ~Romans 1:26–27, that is not my interpretation. That is His Word, spoken clearly.

You can label these verses “my interpretations,” but you have not shown how the plain reading is wrong. You are simply rejecting what they say. And that is the real issue.

When someone does not like the truth Scripture gives, they claim the problem is “interpretation.” That avoids dealing with what God actually said.

You also warned me not to sin while confronting sin. Scripture already addresses that. It tells us to “judge with righteous judgment” ~John 7:24 and to “reprove the works of darkness” ~Ephesians 5:11. Obeying those commands is not sin. Ignoring them is.

So if you want to challenge what I’ve said, then address the verses themselves. Show from Scripture where I misused any of them. If you cannot, then the problem is not my view. The problem is that the Word of God is confronting yours.

Scripture says: someone who openly supports sin should not assume they are walking with Christ. The Bible never gives assurance to someone who treats sin lightly.
Where is your focus? Is it not on sins? Will sins ever be overcome by the focus on them?
Do we overcome by quoting scripture left right and centre, giving advice and making lots of words?
My hope is in my Saviour. I have no hope in my flesh.
 

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In past eras, presidents at least pretended to respect maritime law; today we get the rhetorical equivalent of Captain Jack Sparrow in a red tie.
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The Trump ratings this morning:

Approval ratings: 57% disapprove, 4% not sure.
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An independent journalist wrote it up nicely:

If there’s a glimmer of sanity in this week’s geopolitical psychodrama, it came from an unexpected place: Congress. In an exceedingly rare moment of institutional competence, the House pushed forward a $900 billion defense bill that not only rebukes Trump’s plan to hollow out Europe-based U.S. forces but outright bars him from lowering troop levels for more than 45 days. It even locks in $400 million in Ukraine aid so that American commitments aren’t dependent on whether Trump had a good golf shot that morning. This is the closest Congress has come to childproofing the presidency since Watergate.
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Trump... Retarded? What about the killing of Killing of Iryna Zarutska? The Democrats just let her bleed to death! None of those Democrats on the train offered to help the poor lady! Just sat there on their cell phones and let her bleed to death! The Democratic judges had released the killer countless times on cashless bail, the Democratic mayor said his mental state needed to be taken in consideration. What about the mental condition of the Democrats who just sat there and watched the lady bleed to death? No offers of help! No Democrat came to her protection! On the video you can see the killer with blood dripping down his hands saying, "I got that white woman! I got that white woman!" And nobody rebuked him for it!
 
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Really?
Trump announced last month the cities have never been as safe as today.
Was he lying again?

Lies? There have been lies! Innocent blood? Now that is something serious. And it needs to be brought under control.
 

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In past eras, presidents at least pretended to respect maritime law; today we get the rhetorical equivalent of Captain Jack Sparrow in a red tie.
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The Trump ratings this morning:

Approval ratings: 57% disapprove, 4% not sure.
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An independent journalist wrote it up nicely:

If there’s a glimmer of sanity in this week’s geopolitical psychodrama, it came from an unexpected place: Congress. In an exceedingly rare moment of institutional competence, the House pushed forward a $900 billion defense bill that not only rebukes Trump’s plan to hollow out Europe-based U.S. forces but outright bars him from lowering troop levels for more than 45 days. It even locks in $400 million in Ukraine aid so that American commitments aren’t dependent on whether Trump had a good golf shot that morning. This is the closest Congress has come to childproofing the presidency since Watergate.
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The news in Oz of the Great US of A is (to paraphrase) Mr Trump loves wars even while he says he ends them; People living in tents on the sidewalks en mass in the cities isn't a priority for the rulers; Fires and storms manifest from one end of the country to the other; mass murders in schools and public places has become normal...standard fare like the gun toting Wild West. Mr Trumps fake tan is cause for, well, you can guess; Stress with neighbouring countries is ongoing....invasion of others is threatened. Tele-evangelists and mega-churches rake in millions as self glorification marches with cheer leading sexualised young women. Struggling poor and immigrants are marginalised and demonised.

Sounds like Utopia to me....did I say Utopia?....no no no, I meant 1984.
 

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Mega Churches are supporting Trump.

It does not matter that there is no proof of drug smuggling, "Praise God" just kill them.
When some survive....throw another rocket them, make sure they are dead. Halleluja.

This is the kind of leadership mega churches (for instance are supporting.
The Swaggerts a prime example. And so is the Copeland bunch.

Now, ask yourself "What would Christ do?"

Would Christ support killing people at random, without proof of crime??
Or stealing an oil tanker.
Make a guess.


But....what does one expect from a group of people being under spiritual leadership guided by a wacko like Paula White??

And here, on this Christian Forum, we have fanatics supporting all this ungodly behaviour.

Totally blinded, following and supporting Trump and his crew, because they did not like Biden
Yes, Biden was a failure I agree.

And when you disagree with killing without proof of crime you get the hate card thrown at you.

Give your Christian head a shake.
And some here claim to be upstanding members and leaders in their churches.

Things are going from rom bad to worse.
 

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In past eras, presidents at least pretended to respect maritime law; today we get the rhetorical equivalent of Captain Jack Sparrow in a red tie.
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The Trump ratings this morning:

Approval ratings: 57% disapprove, 4% not sure.
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An independent journalist wrote it up nicely:

If there’s a glimmer of sanity in this week’s geopolitical psychodrama, it came from an unexpected place: Congress. In an exceedingly rare moment of institutional competence, the House pushed forward a $900 billion defense bill that not only rebukes Trump’s plan to hollow out Europe-based U.S. forces but outright bars him from lowering troop levels for more than 45 days. It even locks in $400 million in Ukraine aid so that American commitments aren’t dependent on whether Trump had a good golf shot that morning. This is the closest Congress has come to childproofing the presidency since Watergate.
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You remind me of a scenario where someone hates Hitler because of the VW cars.

Make a list of what your evil trump has done right.
Then one of woke insanity where they mis characterized Trump with lying goofyness.
Then some tiny one where he messed up.

Then take step back. Drop the nonsense and misplaced hatred and see you are hoping the worst destruction for America.

Do you Live in America?? ??
You really want your home destroyed????
 
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Make a list of who hates Trump.
Make one of who hates Jesus.

Compare.
Amazing result.
 

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Really?
Trump announced last month the cities have never been as safe as today.
Was he lying again?
Ahem.
Kamala, Schumer, and Maxine waters told their woke constituents to do harm and injure us patriots.
You party is one of violence.
Those tourists probably got the facts about the terrible character of your democratic buddies and decided your anti family mess was not to their liking and stayed home.
Give Trump a chance to deport the murderers your people brought into America.

Then thank him for helping you stay safe.
 

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Not to worry.
The latest tourist figures in regards to travel to America already hit rockbottom last summer.
Because of the ungodly policies of the democratz that unleashed great evil into this country and permits this evil to grow.

In case you missed it = the Demoncratz are raising an army of illegals and muslims to overthrow all WMRs
 
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Mega Churches are supporting Trump.

It does not matter that there is no proof of drug smuggling, "Praise God" just kill them.
When some survive....throw another rocket them, make sure they are dead. Halleluja.

This is the kind of leadership mega churches (for instance are supporting.
The Swaggerts a prime example. And so is the Copeland bunch.

Now, ask yourself "What would Christ do?"

Would Christ support killing people at random, without proof of crime??
Or stealing an oil tanker.
Make a guess.


But....what does one expect from a group of people being under spiritual leadership guided by a wacko like Paula White??

And here, on this Christian Forum, we have fanatics supporting all this ungodly behaviour.

Totally blinded, following and supporting Trump and his crew, because they did not like Biden
Yes, Biden was a failure I agree.

And when you disagree with killing without proof of crime you get the hate card thrown at you.

Give your Christian head a shake.
And some here claim to be upstanding members and leaders in their churches.

Things are going from rom bad to worse.
no proof of drug smuggling ???

are you crazy!!!
 
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Mega Churches are supporting Trump.

It does not matter that there is no proof of drug smuggling, "Praise God" just kill them.
When some survive....throw another rocket them, make sure they are dead. Halleluja.

This is the kind of leadership mega churches (for instance are supporting.
The Swaggerts a prime example. And so is the Copeland bunch.

Now, ask yourself "What would Christ do?"

Would Christ support killing people at random, without proof of crime??
Or stealing an oil tanker.
Make a guess.


But....what does one expect from a group of people being under spiritual leadership guided by a wacko like Paula White??

And here, on this Christian Forum, we have fanatics supporting all this ungodly behaviour.

Totally blinded, following and supporting Trump and his crew, because they did not like Biden
Yes, Biden was a failure I agree.

And when you disagree with killing without proof of crime you get the hate card thrown at you.

Give your Christian head a shake.
And some here claim to be upstanding members and leaders in their churches.

Things are going from rom bad to worse.
Please watch Lord of the Rings