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30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: - 1 Corinthians 1:30.

I'm curious when all this happens? Because I need it now. Does anyone know when this comes about and can explain it to the people and say - this is when that happens?

Why is it so many Christians do not have the knowledge of the seed in them - Christ. If you hear a message of there is 'something you must do to satisfy God's righteousness' - you are being lied to. You are not hearing the certified gospel truth, Galatians 1:12,

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. - Galatians 1:11-12.

of the completion of the human being by Christ in them and follow on to have the Spirit taught knowledge Paul called revelation that teaches a believer the Christ in them. They learn Christ and Christ expression.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: - Colossians 2:10.

What God did in Christ on a cross by a death is the complete finished plan worked out before the foundation of the world. That is the seed knowledge that gets fixed in a believer to know what is going on in not only in their life but the life of others and in the world. The Lord fixed it where no man can know on their own. It will be given to them but they cannot just come along and decide to grab hold of the things of God like they are some kind of a play thing - that will never happen.

Daily life points that out in man's ignorance concerning the things of God. If you follow a news cast or some form of media you see what looks like very intelligent people and I suppose they are on a educated level (something to be said about ignorance-it really can be bliss). They are very articulate and makes you want to think they may know something. But if you follow along long enough you can see they are no different. They may beg to differ since they spent a fortune gaining costly ignorance.

Now in all fairness if you need a surgery or a tooth pulled or a lawyer or what not - or your car worked on then that is your go to deal. So the point is a slick leg that looks like they are different from anyone else - is no different. The ego (it's more like Satan personality) is a hard thing on man. It bears down daily and never fails to grip a person. It makes up a created being at least we think it does. The thinking is what the ultimate of knowledge comes from.

Because 'as a man thinketh so is he'

So when you feel you need to do something righteous to be righteous you have missed it - but you have satisfied yourself. Why did you not do that when you were living like the devil in the world. Many say 'well I didn't know about God.' That may be true but many do know about God so why don't you get your righteousness on then - why wait. Not much different if you are going to be righteous. May the seed of God be revealed as a person searches for the truth of God!
 
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Salvation is a gift from God. He alone sent his Son. Whosoever has trust in their heart is God’s children. It is God who calls us. It is God who puts within our heart the Holy Spirit freely. It is God through his Holy Spirit that we receive his trust that brings forth Righteousness. It is the gifts of the Holy Spirit that we walk with him. If a man says he loves God and hate his enemies the love of God is not in him. For God so loved the lost and dying world he gave to us his Grace. Should we not love as God loves seeing his love is in our heart?
 
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30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: - 1 Corinthians 1:30.

I'm curious when all this happens? Because I need it now. Does anyone know when this comes about and can explain it to the people and say - this is when that happens?

Why is it so many Christians do not have the knowledge of the seed in them - Christ. If you hear a message of there is 'something you must do to satisfy God's righteousness' - you are being lied to. You are not hearing the certified gospel truth, Galatians 1:12,

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. - Galatians 1:11-12.

of the completion of the human being by Christ in them and follow on to have the Spirit taught knowledge Paul called revelation that teaches a believer the Christ in them. They learn Christ and Christ expression.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: - Colossians 2:10.

What God did in Christ on a cross by a death is the complete finished plan worked out before the foundation of the world. That is the seed knowledge that gets fixed in a believer to know what is going on in not only in their life but the life of others and in the world. The Lord fixed it where no man can know on their own. It will be given to them but they cannot just come along and decide to grab hold of the things of God like they are some kind of a play thing - that will never happen.

Daily life points that out in man's ignorance concerning the things of God. If you follow a news cast or some form of media you see what looks like very intelligent people and I suppose they are on a educated level (something to be said about ignorance-it really can be bliss). They are very articulate and makes you want to think they may know something. But if you follow along long enough you can see they are no different. They may beg to differ since they spent a fortune gaining costly ignorance.

Now in all fairness if you need a surgery or a tooth pulled or a lawyer or what not - or your car worked on then that is your go to deal. So the point is a slick leg that looks like they are different from anyone else - is no different. The ego (it's more like Satan personality) is a hard thing on man. It bears down daily and never fails to grip a person. It makes up a created being at least we think it does. The thinking is what the ultimate of knowledge comes from.

Because 'as a man thinketh so is he'

So when you feel you need to do something righteous to be righteous you have missed it - but you have satisfied yourself. Why did you not do that when you were living like the devil in the world. Many say 'well I didn't know about God.' That may be true but many do know about God so why don't you get your righteousness on then - why wait. Not much different if you are going to be righteous. May the seed of God be revealed as a person searches for the truth of God!

I think soul man that you do not understand the two groups of sheep of Jesus, do you know what he meant at John 10:16?

You see your initial scripture was written to those in Christ, do you understand the difference sir?
 

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I think soul man that you do not understand the two groups of sheep of Jesus, do you know what he meant at John 10:16?

You see your initial scripture was written to those in Christ, do you understand the difference sir?

Would you care to explain please?
 

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Would you care to explain please?

Yes sir, Jesus said at Jn 10:16 that he had sheep that are not of this fold. There are two groups of sheep. There are anointed Christians that have been bought out from among mankind to serve as Kings and Priests in the Kingdom of God. Rev 5:9,10 They will leave the earth to reside in heaven 14:1-3

The other sheep are the vast majority of Christians that will inherit the earth and reside upon it forever as citizens of that Kingdom of God Ps 37:9-11, 29; Mat 5:5

In the near future, Jesus will return to remove those wicked ones including satan and the demons, ushering his millennial reign over the earth with his anointed co-rulers. After that 1k yrs, satan will be released from his prison to roam the earth for a little while, a test for those who are living at the time similar to what Adam had to pass. satan will then be destroyed along with the many who join him Rev 20:7-10 then the earth and populace are back to the way it was intended to be in the beginning.

Hope that helps sir.
 

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Yes sir, Jesus said at Jn 10:16 that he had sheep that are not of this fold. There are two groups of sheep. There are anointed Christians that have been bought out from among mankind to serve as Kings and Priests in the Kingdom of God. Rev 5:9,10 They will leave the earth to reside in heaven 14:1-3

The other sheep are the vast majority of Christians that will inherit the earth and reside upon it forever as citizens of that Kingdom of God Ps 37:9-11, 29; Mat 5:5

In the near future, Jesus will return to remove those wicked ones including satan and the demons, ushering his millennial reign over the earth with his anointed co-rulers. After that 1k yrs, satan will be released from his prison to roam the earth for a little while, a test for those who are living at the time similar to what Adam had to pass. satan will then be destroyed along with the many who join him Rev 20:7-10 then the earth and populace are back to the way it was intended to be in the beginning.

Hope that helps sir.

Thanks, so you see two groups of Christians. I have a hard time distinguishing the two and what would make one better than the other or at least better off?
 

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Sinners saved by faith through grace...finding common ground will build bridges.
 

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Sinners saved by faith through grace...finding common ground will build bridges.

Yes, one faith one baptism,
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. - Ephesians 4:5-6.
 
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Thanks, so you see two groups of Christians. I have a hard time distinguishing the two and what would make one better than the other or at least better off?
Christian is a name. There only the children of God and the children of Satan. Many call themselves Christians but aren’t. Many will stand before the Lord trying to justify themselves but Christ will say to them I know you not.
 
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Thanks, so you see two groups of Christians. I have a hard time distinguishing the two and what would make one better than the other or at least better off?

Neither Soul, the verse goes on to say concerning the two: (John 10:16) . . .and they will become one flock, one shepherd.
 
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Neither Soul, the verse goes on to say concerning the two: (John 10:16) . . .and they will become one flock, one shepherd.

You place believers in two different places, how do you get a distinction between the two - who goes and who stays. Also are you sure the scriptures distinguish the two different groups of sheep are both Christian sheep. It's not adding up with the rest of scripture. Jsing.
 

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You place believers in two different places, how do you get a distinction between the two - who goes and who stays. Also are you sure the scriptures distinguish the two different groups of sheep are both Christian sheep. It's not adding up with the rest of scripture. Jsing.


It is very clear that the two groups flock under the same shepherd, the previous verses provided no doubt as to whom Jesus is referring to. They are obviously his sheep. The little flock will be his bride serving along with him in the Kingdom of God, the other sheep, the much larger group will be citizens of that Kingdom residing on this earth.

Would you be interested in a Bible study sir? We have a great new interactive Bible study course I would be glad to take you through. If you would like to check it out here is the link:

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/enjoy-life-forever/

I would be glad to set up a time to get together via Duo or another one like Zoom to meet with you to take you through this book and answer any questions you might have on it. Thanks Mike.
 
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It is very clear that the two groups flock under the same shepherd, the previous verses provided no doubt as to whom Jesus is referring to. They are obviously his sheep. The little flock will be his bride serving along with him in the Kingdom of God, the other sheep, the much larger group will be citizens of that Kingdom residing on this earth.

Would you be interested in a Bible study sir? We have a great new interactive Bible study course I would be glad to take you through. If you would like to check it out here is the link:

https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/enjoy-life-forever/

I would be glad to set up a time to get together via Duo or another one like Zoom to meet with you to take you through this book and answer any questions you might have on it. Thanks Mike.

Thank you for the offer I'll keep that in mind, do you do it in the forum here?