Understanding TIME vs. ETERNITY

[ScottA]

We are born into a world--this world of time, and because of it time is the rule we come to live by. Rightly so.

However, that is not the reality that defines our God, and as it turns out time is simply a teaching tool. Just as we have increments and years of school, time is God's way of stepping us through our education regarding His greater reality--which, contrary to this world, is timeless and eternal. The following is an excerpt from the book St. John's Mystery - Revealed, and an explanation of just what God has done by creating time for His purpose:

The first “time” or “day” of the creation story or account, puts into words God creating the setting or conceiving this realm we have come to know as the world. His conceiving all that pertains to this world, simply put, was an act of conception. In other words, the world was born of God…in the mind of God. He has conceived it, and so it is.​

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Doing so meant the delineation and dividing of what could not otherwise be divided, except by God…because it meant dividing His own status of being One and without beginning or end, into bitesize pieces. Hence, the days and times of this world; as well as the greater books of the Word of God, breaking everything down in a step by step revelation. As the scriptures say, “precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.” (Isaiah 28:10).​

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The dividing of God’s otherwise eternal status into palatable bitesize pieces, also meant the creation of darkness, or rather the consequence of shadows of darkness before and after each dividing point of: “Let there be light” (Genesis 1:3). Which—was the creation of matter. By the power of God, it is light and energy that makes up all matter. That accounts for time, and matter; while space is simply the evidence of the dividing—space is the divide between God and this world, made manifest—the proof or evidence, as it were. “Space” is the answer to the common question, “If God is real, where is the evidence?”​

 

[Nancy]

We are born into a world--this world of time, and because of it time is the rule we come to live by. Rightly so.

However, that is not the reality that defines our God, and as it turns out time is simply a teaching tool. Just as we have increments and years of school, time is God's way of stepping us through our education regarding His greater reality--which, contrary to this world, is timeless and eternal. The following is an excerpt from the book St. John's Mystery - Revealed, and an explanation of just what God has done by creating time for His purpose:

The first “time” or “day” of the creation story or account, puts into words God creating the setting or conceiving this realm we have come to know as the world. His conceiving all that pertains to this world, simply put, was an act of conception. In other words, the world was born of God…in the mind of God. He has conceived it, and so it is.​

​

Doing so meant the delineation and dividing of what could not otherwise be divided, except by God…because it meant dividing His own status of being One and without beginning or end, into bitesize pieces. Hence, the days and times of this world; as well as the greater books of the Word of God, breaking everything down in a step by step revelation. As the scriptures say, “precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little.” (Isaiah 28:10).​

​

The dividing of God’s otherwise eternal status into palatable bitesize pieces, also meant the creation of darkness, or rather the consequence of shadows of darkness before and after each dividing point of: “Let there be light” (Genesis 1:3). Which—was the creation of matter. By the power of God, it is light and energy that makes up all matter. That accounts for time, and matter; while space is simply the evidence of the dividing—space is the divide between God and this world, made manifest—the proof or evidence, as it were. “Space” is the answer to the common question, “If God is real, where is the evidence?”​

Time v Eternity, always a mind bender, lol!
A picture that has come into my mind for some years now comes to thought. It's like a humongous canvass. It begins with the beginning of time and pictures events starting with Adam and Eve, and it went on for way too far for the human eye to see. Thoughts came into my mind. They were "Time is fluid, always moving, never still and Eternity is still, calm." Makes no sense in a biblical view, just thought I'd share.
Good thread, hope it takes off!

 

[ScottA]

Time v Eternity, always a mind bender, lol!
A picture that has come into my mind for some years now comes to thought. It's like a humongous canvass. It begins with the beginning of time and pictures events starting with Adam and Eve, and it went on for way too far for the human eye to see. Thoughts came into my mind. They were "Time is fluid, always moving, never still and Eternity is still, calm." Makes no sense in a biblical view, just thought I'd share.
Good thread, hope it takes off!

That is much like the idea that existing in time is like only being able to see just what is in the headlights.

 

[Taken]

Understanding TIME vs. ETERNITY

The Eternal Creator and Maker…
Created and Made “Time” For manKIND.

Days, Nights, Weeks, Months, Seasons, Years…all for manKIND…To help Foster every manKIND of being…TO hear, learn, understand their own “urgency” To be Agreeable To Form a one on one Forever Relationship WITH “their” God, “their”Creator and Maker.

Glory to holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty.

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] ]B]All things were made by him; [/B]and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Gods Word IS God.
God Word Creates…Gods Word Makes.

Gods Word Speaks…
Gods Power Acts…that which was Not..IS Created and Made.


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ScottA]

Understanding TIME vs. ETERNITY

The Eternal Creator and Maker…
Created and Made “Time” For manKIND.

Days, Nights, Weeks, Months, Seasons, Years…all for manKIND…To help Foster every manKIND of being…TO hear, learn, understand their own “urgency” To be Agreeable To Form a one on one Forever Relationship WITH “their” God, “their”Creator and Maker.

Glory to holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty.

John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] ]B]All things were made by him; [/B]and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Gods Word IS God.
God Word Creates…Gods Word Makes.

Gods Word Speaks…
Gods Power Acts…that which was Not..IS Created and Made.


Glory to God,
Taken

The point is...when the times are fulfilled, it will all have been for His purpose of salvation making us One and perfect with Him, as He is, being "spirit"--not to establish a physical addition and world where everything made of matter casts a shadow of darkness.

 

[Behold]

Time, as created by God... has a beginning and it has an end.

God existed outside of the beginning of Time.., and still does., as God has no beginning, and no ending.
He's not limited by time, because He does not exist within it.

When God decided to create Creation, as we know it to be... the earth, the cosmos, and humanity... God created these within TIME, that has a beginning and an ending.
In other words, He put a beginning and an end, for Creation to exit within... and this is a Time Frame.

The Bible is showing us God's Plan for Creation.. and for Mankind.
It happens over TIME and within a Time Frame.

Your body contains your spirit, and its eternal......and for now it exists inside your body, and when your body stops living, your spirit does not.

Becoming a CHRISTian, means that your spirit has been born.....again..... into God's Holy Spirit, by God's Holy Spirit.

"God is A Spirit", and the born again are now become spiritually born....... again, as "one with God"....

This is eternal spiritual union, between God and the born.....again... = restored by Jesus.
This is to have become a "new Creation".... spiritually Born.....again.

 

[Raccoon1010]

I like the topic about space-time. I do stay away from open interpretations of the book of revelation of John. There are curses stated regarding adding or removing from that book. Is that book you quoted disclosing parable or vision language from God? I know he stated in the Bible that he presented parables to the wicked but plainly to his apostles.

After the above and more along the fun topic you opened up about space time I like to think of space as a void thing which might be a perfect vacuum. Then it is 3 dimensional distance only and void of matter.

In math there are a few ways of describing 3 dimensional space, one such method is an orthographic Cartesian coordinate system. It has a center which has the form as a "point" of 0,0,0 called usually x,y,z. From the center it extends along the x,y and z axis forever. The x,y,z axis have positive and negative directions, which is a standard number scale. There are pictures of that idea and articles available on the internet.

About dividsion: biblically God may have addressed it for a different God topic. A different use of the English word "division" is of course math. I like the example of basic velocity which has the mathematical equation v = d / t. V is velocity. D is distance. T is time. So an objects velocity moves some distance in some amount of time.

Cheers!

 

[ScottA]

I like the topic about space-time. I do stay away from open interpretations of the book of revelation of John. There are curses stated regarding adding or removing from that book. Is that book you quoted disclosing parable or vision language from God? I know he stated in the Bible that he presented parables to the wicked but plainly to his apostles.

After the above and more along the fun topic you opened up about space time I like to think of space as a void thing which might be a perfect vacuum. Then it is 3 dimensional distance only and void of matter.

In math there are a few ways of describing 3 dimensional space, one such method is an orthographic Cartesian coordinate system. It has a center which has the form as a "point" of 0,0,0 called usually x,y,z. From the center it extends along the x,y and z axis forever. The x,y,z axis have positive and negative directions, which is a standard number scale. There are pictures of that idea and articles available on the internet.

About dividsion: biblically God may have addressed it for a different God topic. A different use of the English word "division" is of course math. I like the example of basic velocity which has the mathematical equation v = d / t. V is velocity. D is distance. T is time. So an objects velocity moves some distance in some amount of time.

Cheers!

Those equations would be like an explanation of the mechanisms under the hood of a car...so to speak. Which is good!

Whereas the origins and reality of space-time is as touched on above, where God extends His eternity to the likes of children by dividing what otherwise cannot be divided: Himself. Meaning the incrementalism of eternity into times--the times of man. Which, by the nature of such a division caused by His matter-forming light and energy, also formed shadows of darkness between the divisions, which then are to be destroyed when the times are fulfilled. Space then, is the evidence of God, and His dividing eternity into times--the makings of space, time, and matter.

 

[Raccoon1010]

Those equations would be like an explanation of the mechanisms under the hood of a car...so to speak. Which is good!

Whereas the origins and reality of space-time is as touched on above, where God extends His eternity to the likes of children by dividing what otherwise cannot be divided: Himself. Meaning the incrementalism of eternity into times--the times of man. Which, by the nature of such a division caused by His matter-forming light and energy, also formed shadows of darkness between the divisions, which then are to be destroyed when the times are fulfilled. Space then, is the evidence of God, and His dividing eternity into times--the makings of space, time, and matter.

Good morning @ScottA

I know God can do no evil and Satan can do no good.

I am still learning from God on those matters, but I don't know God created anything evil. In fact Jesus in the sheep and goats parable says to the wicked I know thee not department from me workers of sin. Which is why God directs the wicked to repent and be directed into true Christian organizations to be baptized, confirmed with the holy ghost and recieve the bread and wine of the new covenant of Christ. Then they are to serve God for works meet for repentance which God provides his children and they are then part of the Lords church.

 

[ScottA]

Good morning @ScottA

I know God can do no evil and Satan can do no good.

I am still learning from God on those matters, but I don't know God created anything evil. In fact Jesus in the sheep and goats parable says to the wicked I know thee not department from me workers of sin. Which is why God directs the wicked to repent and be directed into true Christian organizations to be baptized, confirmed with the holy ghost and recieve the bread and wine of the new covenant of Christ. Then they are to serve God for works meet for repentance which God provides his children and they are then part of the Lords church.

True in general, but it is good to fully understand:

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7).​

The KJV translates Strong's H7451 in the following manner: evil (442x), wickedness (59x), wicked (25x), mischief (21x), hurt (20x), bad (13x), trouble (10x), sore (9x), affliction (6x), ill (5x), adversity (4x), ill favoured (3x), harm (3x), naught (3x), noisome (2x), grievous (2x), sad (2x), miscellaneous (34x).

Which is not to say that God "is", but rather that He exposes it (through creation).

 

[lforrest]

True in general, but it is good to fully understand:

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7).​

The KJV translates Strong's H7451 in the following manner: evil (442x), wickedness (59x), wicked (25x), mischief (21x), hurt (20x), bad (13x), trouble (10x), sore (9x), affliction (6x), ill (5x), adversity (4x), ill favoured (3x), harm (3x), naught (3x), noisome (2x), grievous (2x), sad (2x), miscellaneous (34x).

Which is not to say that God "is", but rather that He exposes it (through creation).

I'm of the persuasion that evil in this context should be translated in the archaic way to mean disaster, calamity, or some other serious misfortune.

And this would also fit with biblical and personal experiences.

 

[ScottA]

I'm of the persuasion that evil in this context should be translated in the archaic way to mean disaster, calamity, or some other serious misfortune.

And this would also fit with biblical and personal experiences.

The King James Bible does indeed state the matter boldly if not harshly, and yet does so with great precedence. It certainly doesn't feel right. But either way, it does not mean God is evil, any more than the idea that Jesus spoke of "whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated"--from personal experience.