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When I was a child in the 1950s, my grandpa had this old barn on the Land that he settle on a government land grant given for free to anyone who would fam it in the late 1800s. 280 acres best I remember . In this barn he milked four Jersey cows and had a milk run delivery. He set up this galvanized horse troth where he could build a fire under it to boil water and rigged an old washing machine with a brush attached where he could skald and clean the inside of the glass milk bottles. My job, and I was about 8 years old was to run the separator, separating the cream from the milk and had this devise mounr=ted to the wall where I would insert this paper stopper in the top of those bottles.

One day I noticed this wooden thing on the wall and asked him about it for what it was. He said that is an Oxen yoke. He began to tell me about how he made it from an oak tree and plowed those field with Oxen, and went to his tools and pulled out this draw knife. He took that yoke off the wall and begin to explain to me how it worked and said.

If the yoke does not fit the Ox and it hurts he will not pull the plow so I take this knife and fit it to the oxen shoulders. For if one of the ox does not fit the yoke there is no way that you can plow a straight furrow.

I never forgot that story and later in life in my late twenties when I gave my life over to God and read do not be unequally yoked with one another for if you are there is no way that you can perform that perfect product.
that you may take up that cross, that same cross, with the one that Jesus carried alone by those who could not be equally yoked with him in the Father.

And from what I read in this forum, I have not heard from one at alll who is equally yoked with Jesus to pull that same load from the Lord of it that he called Father.

Here is what they say about that. No one can be like Jesus, he was god, no one can be perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect as Jesus was. And they say that Jesus was the only child that God had, a son to pull that load by himself when it is you who is supposed to pick up that same load as Jesus picked up and carried it to his death by men who could not yoke themselves to the same.

Your yoke hurts your pride for a belief instead of being the one who is suppose to be equal with him in the Father.
 

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When I was a child in the 1950s, my grandpa had this old barn on the Land that he settle on a government land grant given for free to anyone who would fam it in the late 1800s. 280 acres best I remember . In this barn he milked four Jersey cows and had a milk run delivery. He set up this galvanized horse troth where he could build a fire under it to boil water and rigged an old washing machine with a brush attached where he could skald and clean the inside of the glass milk bottles. My job, and I was about 8 years old was to run the separator, separating the cream from the milk and had this devise mounr=ted to the wall where I would insert this paper stopper in the top of those bottles.

One day I noticed this wooden thing on the wall and asked him about it for what it was. He said that is an Oxen yoke. He began to tell me about how he made it from an oak tree and plowed those field with Oxen, and went to his tools and pulled out this draw knife. He took that yoke off the wall and begin to explain to me how it worked and said.

If the yoke does not fit the Ox and it hurts he will not pull the plow so I take this knife and fit it to the oxen shoulders. For if one of the ox does not fit the yoke there is no way that you can plow a straight furrow.

Thank you for that.

I never forgot that story and later in life in my late twenties when I gave my life over to God and read do not be unequally yoked with one another for if you are there is no way that you can perform that perfect product.
that you may take up that cross, that same cross, with the one that Jesus carried alone by those who could not be equally yoked with him in the Father.

Truthful analogy.

And from what I read in this forum, I have not heard from one at alll who is equally yoked with Jesus to pull that same load from the Lord of it that he called Father.

Perhaps you haven't looked far enough yet?

Here is what they say about that. No one can be like Jesus, he was god, no one can be perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect as Jesus was. And they say that Jesus was the only child that God had, a son to pull that load by himself when it is you who is supposed to pick up that same load as Jesus picked up and carried it to his death by men who could not yoke themselves to the same.

Well said, that is indeed what many say and it is indeed just an excuse imho also.

Your yoke hurts your pride for a belief instead of being the one who is suppose to be equal with him in the Father.

Well, I don't know about "being equal with him in the Father" but the Meshiah makes the statement manifold times, in fact he even says anyone who does not take up his own stake, and follow him, cannot be his disciple, (Luke 14:27, (better yet, including the whole context, Luke 14:25-35)).

The Logos, the one-and-only, one-of-a-kind Son, is the yoke: and He is named.

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto Me, all you belabored and overburdened ones, and I will give you rest.
29 Take up my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am meek and humble in heart, and you will find rest unto your souls:
30 for my yoke is Chrestos, (Good, Gracious), and my burden is light.

See the post below for more information:


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At breakfast I noticed one egg was bigger than the other. There was also colour variation and blow me down, content. I think I need to speak to the chickens about their yokes.....no more unequally joking....I mean, yoking!
 

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Thank you for that.



Truthful analogy.



Perhaps you haven't looked far enough yet?



Well said, that is indeed what many say and it is indeed just an excuse imho also.



Well, I don't know about "being equal with him in the Father" but the Meshiah makes the statement manifold times, in fact he even says anyone who does not take up his own stake, and follow him, cannot be his disciple, (Luke 14:27, (better yet, including the whole context, Luke 14:25-35)).

The Logos, the one-and-only, one-of-a-kind Son, is the yoke: and He is named.


Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto Me, all you belabored and overburdened ones, and I will give you rest.
29 Take up my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am meek and humble in heart, and you will find rest unto your souls:
30 for my yoke is Chrestos, (Good, Gracious), and my burden is light.

See the post below for more information:


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Actually Jesus prayed to his God for me to be in the Father and the Father in me as one just as Jesus said that he was in the Fatrher and the Father was in him as one in John 17.

If you see that isnt possible and you cannot be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus commanded of us all, and cannot walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did, with the same signs following you and that you would do even greater works than Jesus did and Jesus was very clear in Luke 17:20-21 where God resides in His kingdom. It does not come with observation, it is within you. And just as I said earlier, I have not met one person who is equally yoked with the Father as Jesus was yoked with him for just as you said here that you are not yoked with the same God Who sent Jesus to show us how to be, the Father in you and you in the Father as what? ONE! then I do understand your doctrine as to why you cant have the same perfections as the Father to be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect. And I quoted Jesus where Gods heaven is, where He resides in His kingdom that we are from Luke 17:20-21. Or is supposed to be. But not very many even listen to what Jesus said let alone equally yoked with Jesus in the Father. To these that is impossible.

As for me, I and the Father are one. The prayer from Jesus to his God in John 17 was answered in me. Most reject that prayer from Jesus to be one with God and in His same image that He creates man to be spiritually by the Spirit that He is, which simply is Love for God is Love the Spirit of. SO simple yet so complicated to religious minds that only see in carnality, flesh, instead of Gods Spirit that He opens in man Himself. Not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16.
 

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And they say that Jesus was the only child that God had, a son to pull that load by himself when it is you who is supposed to pick up that same load as Jesus picked up and carried it to his death by men who could not yoke themselves to the same.

What you posted is the perfect definition of "martyr complex" issue.

Listen,
There is a difference between carrying your Cross daily, ..vs being up on it, trying to save yourself.
So, You need to get off of yours, and learn that its God's Grace that is the only available power to carry it, and that is not your self effort.
 

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Great analogy.
If we remember that our roots,Judaism,is racist,the unequal yoke warning makes deeper sense.
 

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Great analogy.
If we remember that our roots,Judaism,is racist,the unequal yoke warning makes deeper sense.

2 Corin Ch6.

Being ""unequally Yoked"" is Paul' s NT teaching that is explaining that a Christian is not to marry an unbeliever.
Its also a warning about having non-Christian friends who will try to influence you away from the Light.
 
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Actually Jesus prayed to his God for me to be in the Father and the Father in me as one just as Jesus said that he was in the Fatrher and the Father was in him as one in John 17.

One in mind and Spirit, and I certainly believe that: but you said equal and that is what I disagreed with. No one will receive the same Testimony as the Chosen One, which he received from the heavens, from above, from the Father through His Son. The text may be a little difficult to understand but this is written in John 3:32, and that is because the Chosen One is the Meshiah, the Anointed One. Moreover you are certainly never going to be equal with the one-and-only, one-of-a-kind Son who is ever in the bosom of the Father: for the Son is Elohim from the very beginning, and He is not the Chosen One or Anointed One, He is the very Anointing upon/within the Anointed One. This has nothing to do with the command to be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.

If you see that isnt possible and you cannot be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus commanded of us all, and cannot walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did, with the same signs following you and that you would do even greater works than Jesus did and Jesus was very clear in Luke 17:20-21 where God resides in His kingdom. It does not come with observation, it is within you. And just as I said earlier, I have not met one person who is equally yoked with the Father as Jesus was yoked with him for just as you said here that you are not yoked with the same God Who sent Jesus to show us how to be, the Father in you and you in the Father as what? ONE! then I do understand your doctrine as to why you cant have the same perfections as the Father to be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect. And I quoted Jesus where Gods heaven is, where He resides in His kingdom that we are from Luke 17:20-21. Or is supposed to be. But not very many even listen to what Jesus said let alone equally yoked with Jesus in the Father. To these that is impossible.

You've assumed too many conclusions without me having said much of anything about those things you have assumed. No sence therefore in me even responding.

As for me, I and the Father are one. The prayer from Jesus to his God in John 17 was answered in me. Most reject that prayer from Jesus to be one with God and in His same image that He creates man to be spiritually by the Spirit that He is, which simply is Love for God is Love the Spirit of. SO simple yet so complicated to religious minds that only see in carnality, flesh, instead of Gods Spirit that He opens in man Himself. Not even Jesus could escape that fact proven in Matt 3:16.

That passage contains a critical ellipsis and only proves what I have offered in my first post.
I will place the ellipsis in blue italics.

Matthew 3:16-17
16 And when Ι̅Η was immersed, he ascended straightway out of the water, and behold, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw Ruach Elohim descending as a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying unto him, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The Son is Ruach Elohim, (Gen 1:2), because the phrase is anarthrous, (without definite articles), and therefore in Hebrew it is a name, and this is in three places: the Hebrew text of Gen 1:2, the LXX Greek text of Gen 1:2, (which follows the Hebrew text in this regard), and here also in Mat 3:17 which also follows the Hebrew text in this regard, (and this is a rare form which only occurs in two other critical places in the N/T Greek texts). The Son therefore is the Spirit of the Father and the very Anointing upon the Anointed One, (the Meshiah, the Christos).
 
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At breakfast I noticed one egg was bigger than the other. There was also colour variation and blow me down, content. I think I need to speak to the chickens about their yokes.....no more unequally joking....I mean, yoking!
LOL funny. But actually the definition for yoke is

The meaning of YOKE is a wooden bar or frame by which two draft animals (such as oxen) are joined at the heads or necks for working together.

Perhaps the chickens eggs are unequally yoked and some see it as a joke. Aww but the real truth is, no matter the differences in that outside shell what is inside it is what counts. If they are fertile by the Father of them, they will produce the same likeness of their father and they will act just like him no matter what that outside shell looks like.

Born of the Father -- What a novel idea. Thanks you for that illustration, I will defiantly use that in the future. Good job!
 

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One in mind and Spirit, and I certainly believe that: but you said equal and that is what I disagreed with.
Well if the same Spirit is not in you who was in Christ Jesus from God Himself, then I can see how you cannot be in His same image the same by being without it.

No one will receive the same Testimony as the Chosen One, which he received from the heavens, from above, from the Father through His Son.
Everyone who has received the same Spirit of God, mind, in us has the same testimoney of the Father that Jesus received from Him in Matt 3:16.

May I ask you why you reject so great a salvation in yourself from God Himself to be in His same spiritual image that He is?

The text may be a little difficult to understand but this is written in John 3:32, and that is because the Chosen One is the Meshiah, the Anointed One. Moreover you are certainly never going to be equal with the one-and-only, one-of-a-kind Son who is ever in the bosom of the Father: for the Son is Elohim from the very beginning, and He is not the Chosen One or Anointed One, He is the very Anointing upon/within the Anointed One. This has nothing to do with the command to be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Well the God that I know and Jesus knew, demands that we be exactly like Him, walk as He walks in His same light of mind, Perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect, even do greater things than Jesus did. He in me and I in Him are one. just as Jesus prayed to our God for me to be in John 17.

It is amazing how and why people as yourself just flat out deny God when He is so clear that we be in His same image.

You've assumed too many conclusions without me having much of anything about those things you have assumed. No since therefore in me even responding.
All I know is who God said you would be in Him if you repented from your own ideas for a god and actually received from God Himself His knowledge. Is that why you see no need to respond that God really does not want you to be in His same image, anointed of His same Spirit of mind?

That passage contains a critical ellipsis and only proves what I have offered in my first post.
I will place the ellipsis in blue italics.

Matthew 3:16-17
16 And when Ι̅Η was immersed, he ascended straightway out of the water, and behold, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw Ruach Elohim descending as a dove, and lighting upon him:
Same One lights on us all who will receive Him. He came to me without hesitation, all I had to do is what Jesus did and repent from the laws of man for a god and receive from the One of heaven which is Love, and ion that you also would discover what Jesus discovered and stated in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God does not come with observation, it is with you. But evidently not you, why? Because you are of mans ideas for a god instead.
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying unto him, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
Same in us all who are His children just as Jesus was His child.

The Son is Ruach Elohim, (Gen 1:2), because the phrase is anarthrous, (without definite articles), and therefore in Hebrew it is a name, and this is in three places: the Hebrew text of Gen 1:2, the LXX Greek text of Gen 1:2, (which follows the Hebrew text in this regard), and here also in Mat 3:17 which also follows the Hebrew text in this regard, (and this is a rare form which only occurs in two other critical places in the N/T Greek texts). The Son therefore is the Spirit of the Father and the very Anointing upon the Anointed One, (the Meshiah, the Christos).
God has only one name of Himself. and that is Love. For God is the Spirit of Love. But man has named Him so many different things with so many different meanings of their own, they can not fathom the simplicity of Love that God is and man is the temple of Him.
 

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LOL funny. But actually the definition for yoke is

The meaning of YOKE is a wooden bar or frame by which two draft animals (such as oxen) are joined at the heads or necks for working together.

Perhaps the chickens eggs are unequally yoked and some see it as a joke. Aww but the real truth is, no matter the differences in that outside shell what is inside it is what counts. If they are fertile by the Father of them, they will produce the same likeness of their father and they will act just like him no matter what that outside shell looks like.

Born of the Father -- What a novel idea. Thanks you for that illustration, I will defiantly use that in the future. Good job!
hmmmm, any parallel that is imagined can be drawn....and evade/ miss the real intent.....as is done with other scriptures!
 

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Well if the same Spirit is not in you who was in Christ Jesus from God Himself, then I can see how you cannot be in His same image the same by being without it.

I did not say that: why do you keep putting words in my mouth? In fact I just said the following to someone else this morning before I even posted in this thread:

And why could you not see the difference at the beginning of our discussions? I warned you that you were spreading false witness and lies about me at that time when you started running around the board spreading rumors and lies about me even behind my back in threads where I had not even posted. Every instance you will surely answer for because it is the Spirit of my Father you were lying about.

Why would I say this if I did not believe that the Spirit of my Father speaks through me? This is scriptural if you understand the Testimony.

Mark 13:11 ASV
11 And when they lead you to judgment, and deliver you up, be not anxious beforehand what ye shall speak: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit.

Luke 12:10-12 ASV
10 And every one who shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven.
11 And when they bring you before the synagogues, and the rulers, and the authorities, be not anxious how or what ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
12 for the Holy Spirit shall teach you in that very hour what ye ought to say.

Matthew 10:19-20 ASV
19 But when they deliver you up, be not anxious how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.

Everyone who has received the same Spirit of God, mind, in us has the same testimoney of the Father that Jesus received from Him in Matt 3:16.

You either do not understand the passage I referenced, (and I said it wasn't all that easy to understand), or you flat out reject it in favor of your dogma.

May I ask you why you reject so great a salvation in yourself from God Himself to be in His same spiritual image that He is?

Sorry to have to say it but you are making a fool of yourself.

Well the God that I know and Jesus knew, demands that we be exactly like Him, walk as He walks in His same light of mind, Perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect, even do greater things than Jesus did. He in me and I in Him are one. just as Jesus prayed to our God for me to be in John 17.

Then why are you lying about what I have said herein?

It is amazing how and why people as yourself just flat out deny God when He is so clear that we be in His same image.

Like this lie above, yet again, and when you say as previously something like "the God I know", you are insinuating that we have a different God and yours is the correct one while I must have a false god, (in your logic). However you have betrayed yourself in the multiple lies that have proceeded from your heart and exited out of your mouth, (here in writing, but see Mat 15:18-20, false witness is the same as lying).

Therefore you are far from perfect and nothing like the Father, or His Son, or his Chosen One.

All I know is who God said you would be in Him if you repented from your own ideas for a god and actually received from God Himself His knowledge. Is that why you see no need to respond that God really does not want you to be in His same image, anointed of His same Spirit of mind?

You are now at the borderline blasphemy stage saying that my testimony is nothing more than my "own ideas for a god", (small "g", "god", your words), and that's tantamount to saying I have an unclean spirit.

Continuing with yet another companion passage to the passages quoted above herein:

Mark 3:28-28-30 ASV
28 Verily I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and their blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin:
30 because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

You are both defiling yourself by your false witness and lies and also playing with fire by your false accusations about the Spirit of my Father who dwells within me.

Same One lights on us all who will receive Him. He came to me without hesitation, all I had to do is what Jesus did and repent from the laws of man for a god and receive from the One of heaven which is Love, and ion that you also would discover what Jesus discovered and stated in Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom of God does not come with observation, it is with you. But evidently not you, why? Because you are of mans ideas for a god instead.

That's another lie: I have actually quoted or referenced Luke 17:20-21 quite a few times since I started posting here again.

Same in us all who are His children just as Jesus was His child.
God has only one name of Himself. and that is Love. For God is the Spirit of Love. But man has named Him so many different things with so many different meanings of their own, they can not fathom the simplicity of Love that God is and man is the temple of Him.

It appears to me that you do not believe the scripture anytime it refutes what you wish to believe.
I will try to bow out now before you end up truly blaspheming the Spirit of my Father.

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hmmmm, any parallel that is imagined can be drawn....and evade/ miss the real intent.....as is done with other scriptures!
And that is absolutely the truth. Most make up their own analogy based on their own willingness to proceed as Jesus did in the Father or make other excuse why they dont.
 

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I did not say that: why do you keep putting words in my mouth? In fact I just said the following to someone else this morning before I even posted in this thread:



Why would I say this if I did not believe that the Spirit of my Father speaks through me? This is scriptural if you understand the Testimony.

Mark 13:11 ASV
11 And when they lead you to judgment, and deliver you up, be not anxious beforehand what ye shall speak: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit.

Luke 12:10-12 ASV
10 And every one who shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven.
11 And when they bring you before the synagogues, and the rulers, and the authorities, be not anxious how or what ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
12 for the Holy Spirit shall teach you in that very hour what ye ought to say.

Matthew 10:19-20 ASV
19 But when they deliver you up, be not anxious how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.



You either do not understand the passage I referenced, (and I said it wasn't all that easy to understand), or you flat out reject it in favor of your dogma.



Sorry to have to say it but you are making a fool of yourself.



Then why are you lying about what I have said herein?



Like this lie above, yet again, and when you say as previously something like "the God I know", you are insinuating that we have a different God and yours is the correct one while I must have a false god, (in your logic). However you have betrayed yourself in the multiple lies that have proceeded from your heart and exited out of your mouth, (here in writing, but see Mat 15:18-20, false witness is the same as lying).

Therefore you are far from perfect and nothing like the Father, or His Son, or his Chosen One.



You are now at the borderline blasphemy stage saying that my testimony is nothing more than my "own ideas for a god", (small "g", "god", your words), and that's tantamount to saying I have an unclean spirit.

Continuing with yet another companion passage to the passages quoted above herein:

Mark 3:28-28-30 ASV
28 Verily I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and their blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin:
30 because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

You are both defiling yourself by your false witness and lies and also playing with fire by your false accusations about the Spirit of my Father who dwells within me.



That's another lie: I have actually quoted or referenced Luke 17:20-21 quite a few times since I started posting here again.



It appears to me that you do not believe the scripture anytime it refutes what you wish to believe.
I will try to bow out now before you end up truly blaspheming the Spirit of my Father.

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It appeared to the Jews of Jesus day that he didnt believe scripture either and was deemed as blaspheming the spirit of their father for that very reason as you do me. I totally agree with you in that statement. We have a different Father, thus, Im a blasphemer.

Truth is I have the same Father as Jesus had. He in me and I in Him are one. SO was Jesus, my brother. And that is exactly why you cannot relate to the same in yourself and just as Jesus was, we are blasphemers. to that same appearance as you deem it from your own perspective instead of the God Jesus said he was of.

I really do understand your denial to be of the same God Jesus was of just as Jesus understood the denial of the Jews to do the same It appeared to them the same as it appears to you that we do not believe scripture at all when in fact we actually live it as it says we should. Only because you cant live up to who it say you should be, and would be if you did believe it, you to would know the same Father of it yourself instead of making up your own god for it accusing us who is like our Father of it a blasphemer.

Either you are as Jesus was in the same Father that is commanded of you to have the same mind be in your who was in Christ Jesus, and how did that happen? Try believing Matt 3:16 sometimes. Or you are not of the same mind, Spirit, and we both know the answer to that question dont we. Your own words confirm that.
 
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I did not say that: why do you keep putting words in my mouth? In fact I just said the following to someone else this morning before I even posted in this thread:
dak said:
One in mind and Spirit, and I certainly believe that: but you said equal and that is what I disagreed with.

Cant have the mind of God at all least it is equal with Him, if there is any deviation from His mind, then your mind is not equal with his at all.

And you say I make a fool of self?

Why would I say this if I did not believe that the Spirit of my Father speaks through me? This is scriptural if you understand the Testimony.
It is you who said you are not equal with the knowledge God puts in man and to walk in it as He walks in it. He cant speak though you at all least you do have His perfect mind as your own, equal with His, but obviously you are not equal Him and said so. Then you accuse me of being ignorant LOL.





Mark 13:11 ASV
11 And when they lead you to judgment, and deliver you up, be not anxious beforehand what ye shall speak: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Spirit.

Luke 12:10-12 ASV
10 And every one who shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven.
11 And when they bring you before the synagogues, and the rulers, and the authorities, be not anxious how or what ye shall answer, or what ye shall say:
12 for the Holy Spirit shall teach you in that very hour what ye ought to say.

Matthew 10:19-20 ASV
19 But when they deliver you up, be not anxious how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father that speaketh in you.



You either do not understand the passage I referenced, (and I said it wasn't all that easy to understand), or you flat out reject it in favor of your dogma.



Sorry to have to say it but you are making a fool of yourself.
SO did Jesus to the same, they didnt understand why he said he was equal with God either. .

Then why are you lying about what I have said herein?
You are the one who wrote it, not I. Did not you say you were not equal with God to have His same disposition of mind? Is not that flat out rejection to be?

Who really is the fool here?

Like this lie above, yet again, and when you say as previously something like "the God I know", you are insinuating that we have a different God and yours is the correct one while I must have a false god, (in your logic). However you have betrayed yourself in the multiple lies that have proceeded from your heart and exited out of your mouth, (here in writing, but see Mat 15:18-20, false witness is the same as lying).

If the god that you know is not the One who makes us all equal to His same Spirit of mind to have the same one, then why would it be a lie when you are clear that you cant be equal with Him? The lie is you say you are of Him but Arte not equal to His ways. That is impossible to be of Him if you are not like Him.
Therefore you are far from perfect and nothing like the Father, or His Son, or his Chosen One.
That is because the One who makes us perfect as He is perfect, Matt 5:48, is the One that you cant relate to be be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect. You said so yourself that you cannot be like Him.

You are now at the borderline blasphemy stage saying that my testimony is nothing more than my "own ideas for a god", (small "g", "god", your words), and that's tantamount to saying I have an unclean spirit.
We always are a blasphemer to those who cant share in Gods perfections to be like Him. Even Jesus was blasphemer to the same and he was like the God of it as well.

Continuing with yet another companion passage to the passages quoted above herein:

Mark 3:28-28-30 ASV
28 Verily I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and their blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 but whosoever shall blaspheme against the Holy Spirit hath never forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin:
30 because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

You are both defiling yourself by your false witness and lies and also playing with fire by your false accusations about the Spirit of my Father who dwells within me.
Yes I do understand. I and the Father are one, He in me and I inHim just as Jesus prayed to our God for me to be in John 19. But you are clear that there is no way that you can be like Him, equal with Him, with He in you and you in Him as one.

That's another lie: I have actually quoted or referenced Luke 17:20-21 quite a few times since I started posting here again.
Quite all that you will but until you come to the knowledge that only God Himself can put His perfect Spirit of mind in you, all you are doing is dictating your own will for a belief to those scripture, editing them to suit your own understanding that does not include the perfections in it that only God Himself can put within you.

You yourself say there is no way you can be equal with His same Spirit of mind. And you charge me of ignorance because I am of Him?

It appears to me that you do not believe the scripture anytime it refutes what you wish to believe.
I will try to bow out now before you end up truly blaspheming the Spirit of my Father.

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And you dont even know why it appears that way for you. You cant know at all why it appears that way for you wit you being ion Gods same image that He create man to be by the Spirit of mind that He is.

BTW, Spirit denotes mind. it is who we are not what we are. You are not equal to the same mind and said so. so dont try and make your own foolish iniquities as mind as you charge me of when I and the Father are one. John 17. and you cannot be yourself as you are supposed to be.
 

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It appeared to the Jews of Jesus day that he didnt believe scripture either and was deemed as blaspheming the spirit of their father for that very reason as you do me. I totally agree with you in that statement. We have a different Father, thus, Im a blasphemer.

Wow.

Truth is I have the same Father as Jesus had. He in me and I in Him are one. SO was Jesus, my brother. And that is exactly why you cannot relate to the same in yourself and just as Jesus was, we are blasphemers. to that same appearance as you deem it from your own perspective instead of the God Jesus said he was of.

Another lie.

I really do understand your denial to be of the same God Jesus was

Another lie.

Only because you cant live up to who it say you should be, and would be if you did believe it, you to would know the same Father of it yourself instead of making up your own god for it accusing us who is like our Father of it a blasphemer.

False accusation.

Try believing Matt 3:16 sometimes.

Please see my first post in this thread addressed to you, which by the way, contained not a drop or an ounce of hostility toward you.

Or you are not of the same mind, Spirit, and we both know the answer to that question dont we. Your own words confirm that.

If you cannot understand my words then you should have believed the Master in the Gospel accounts and should not have judged: for now indeed you shall be judged by your own words and with the same measure with which you have employed in your judgement of me.

Ah well, all water under the bridge now, at least I tried to warn you.
 

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Yes I know what ya mean.
Another lie.
Oh so you are the same as Jesus was in the Father and perfect even as your father in heaven is perfect as Jesus was. Im so sorry I misunderstood your intent. forgive me.
Another lie.
Again, forgive me, I really did misunderstand that you are as Jesus was in the Father.
False accusation.
And forgive me again, I misunderstood that you and the father are actually one and walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus was one in Him John 17. Im so sorry.
Ah well, all water under the bridge now, at least I tried to warn you.
Thanks for straighten me out. I really didnt know that you are as Jesus was in the Father and really did mis interpret who you said of yourself and what you said about Jesus being God instead of being Gods child, Gods son and that you are the very same as he was in the Father as we are supposed to be.

Again forgive me, I really was under the impression that you believe Jesus was God and that you cant be one yourself and like Him as Jesus was like the Father.
 

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That is what I was thinking. How can being unequally yoked with God be racism? Either you are not like Him and pull the same load as Jesus did who was yoked to the Father or you are not and not yoked with the Father of it at all.
 
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