Unethical mRNA Vaccine - Input from a Biochemist.

[Justified]

Those vaccines were worthless because nobody I knew got the shot, but got covid and that was thousands in my Church. Everyone who got covid, including me, got over it in 3 days.

Nice story. There is a reason we go by science and not anecdotes. I know two unvaccinated who died, three more unvaccinated who were related to those two who almost died, and many who got seriously ill, both unvaxxed and vaxxed, for a week or two at a time. I know at least four who have long Covid and for two of them it’s been over five years. I don’t know a single vaccinated person who died.

I gained lifetime immunity and those who got the shot didn't.

No you didn’t. Studies show that “natural immunity” wanes just as it does with the vaccines. Your own argument should make this obvious to you: “The common cold is an unstable virus that mutates, just like the covid virus, So neither can produce a vaccine.”

I know people, vaxxed and unvaxxed, who have had Covid multiple times. That happens because 1) natural immunity wanes and 2) the virus mutates.

 

[Justified]

I studies I saw showed the death rate increased for the vaccinated as covid progressed.

Then provide those studies.

The Holy Spirit told me not to take it, if you have the fear of God in you, that's says more than detective studies. I said detective because scienctists are detectives, they can only find what God made in creation. Jeremiah 17:5 - Cursed is a man who trusts in man, and makes flesh his strength, whose heart departs from the Lord.

No, the Holy Spirit didn’t tell you any such thing; those were likely your own thoughts based on your own fears and biases. And that is a serious misuse of Scripture and fallacious reasoning.

 

[Rockerduck]

Nice story. There is a reason we go by science and not anecdotes. I know two unvaccinated who died, three more unvaccinated who were related to those two who almost died, and many who got seriously ill, both unvaxxed and vaxxed, for a week or two at a time. I know at least four who have long Covid and for two of them it’s been over five years. I don’t know a single vaccinated person who died.


No you didn’t. Studies show that “natural immunity” wanes just as it does with the vaccines. Your own argument should make this obvious to you: “The common cold is an unstable virus that mutates, just like the covid virus, So neither can produce a vaccine.”

I know people, vaxxed and unvaxxed, who have had Covid multiple times. That happens because 1) natural immunity wanes and 2) the virus mutates.

Immunity does not wane over your lifetime, you've been fed a lie. Measles, chickenpox, flu, and colds build up immunity over a lifetime and you store them. I been immunized by around 800 viruses and seldom get a cold and when I got the flu for the second time it was very light compared to the first because of lifetime immunities you build up against many strains of viruses.

Plus Science is not and has never been exact. Butter was good for you then "science" said it was bad, only to be good again. Eggs were bad then good again. Both never were bad, but "science" said margarine was good for you, imagine that Hydrogenated corn oil is good for you. Scientists are just detectives, they can mot invent anything, they only discover what God has created already. Don't believe doctors or scientists on health, they only guess because God makes fools of wise men.

 

[Rockerduck]

Then provide those studies.


No, the Holy Spirit didn’t tell you any such thing; those were likely your own thoughts based on your own fears and biases. And that is a serious misuse of Scripture and fallacious reasoning.

Now you are mocking God. Can you read the bible? try John 16:13.

 

[Justified]

Now you are mocking God. Can you read the bible? try John 16:13.

No, you’re simply misusing Scripture to support your biases. You don’t even realize how inconsistent your arguments are.

Immunity does not wane over your lifetime, you've been fed a lie.

Immunity for Covid, which is what we’re discussing, wanes within months, just as it does with the vaccines.

Plus Science is not and has never been exact. Butter was good for you then "science" said it was bad, only to be good again. Eggs were bad then good again. Both never were bad, but "science" said margarine was good for you, imagine that Hydrogenated corn oil is good for you.

This is relevant how?

Scientists are just detectives, they can mot invent anything, they only discover what God has created already. Don't believe doctors or scientists on health, they only guess because God makes fools of wise men.

No, they cannot create ex nihilo, but they can create and invent based on what exists and based on the knowledge God gives them. Hence your misuse of Scripture.

Is it fair to say that you don’t believe Christian scientists and doctors?

 

[Rockerduck]

No, you’re simply misusing Scripture to support your biases. You don’t even realize how inconsistent your arguments are.


Immunity for Covid, which is what we’re discussing, wanes within months, just as it does with the vaccines.


This is relevant how?


No, they cannot create ex nihilo, but they can create and invent based on what exists and based on the knowledge God gives them. Hence your misuse of Scripture.

Is it fair to say that you don’t believe Christian scientists and doctors?

Jeremiah 17:5 -
Thus says the Lord,
“Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind
And makes flesh his strength,
And whose heart turns away from the Lord.

 

[The Barbarian]

I studies I saw showed the death rate increased for the vaccinated as covid progressed.

No you didn't. You saw that as the vast majority of people became immunized, there was a greater number of deaths of immunized people.

Do you see the difference between 0.01% of 1000,000 and 0.01% of 100,000,000?

The death rate for unvaccinated people remained about ten times that of vaccinated people. Fewer unvaccinated people, fewer unvaccinated people dying.

The Holy Spirit told me not to take it, if you have the fear of God in you, that's says more than detective studies.

Jim Jones said that the Holy Spirit was guiding him, too. Lots of people say that. You're asking us to trust in you, but you offer us no reason to do so.

Jeremiah 17:5 - Cursed is a man who trusts in man, and makes flesh his strength, whose heart departs from the Lord.

Yep.

 

[Armour of God]

Let's look again at what Popper has to say about it.

I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106

The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344;

It does appear that some people think that I denied scientific character to the historical sciences, such as palaeontology, or the history of the evolution of life on Earth. This is a mistake, and I here wish to affirm that these and other historical sciences have in my opinion scientific character; their hypotheses can in many cases be tested. [Popper, 1981, p. 611]

No, you have it wrong. Popper clearly showed that evolutionary theory is a proper scientific theory.

No, Karl rejected ToE and atheist thugs forced him to change his opinion.
A very unscientific practice.

He revealed what he truly believed in his writings before he died.
Ultmately, under no pressure from ToE thugs, Popper rejected ToE as a pseudo-science

Proper science does not slience or threaten people foe questioning it or having a different opinion.
When we do see that the we know that it is most certainly a pseudo-science.
We see it in ToE and we saw it during covid.
So there is no doubt that they are both pseudo-sciences

 

[The Barbarian]

No, Karl rejected ToE and atheist thugs forced him to change his opinion.
A very unscientific practice.

That would have to have been over a very long time. And I notice you couldn't provide one example. Let's look again at what Popper has to say about it.

I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106

The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344;

It does appear that some people think that I denied scientific character to the historical sciences, such as palaeontology, or the history of the evolution of life on Earth. This is a mistake, and I here wish to affirm that these and other historical sciences have in my opinion scientific character; their hypotheses can in many cases be tested. [Popper, 1981, p. 611]

No, you have it wrong. Popper clearly showed that evolutionary theory is a proper scientific theory.

Moreover, Karl Popper was himself not a theist. And he was certainly not the kind of submit to any sort of thugs, creationist or otherwise.

"I don't know whether God exists or not. ... Some forms of atheism are arrogant and ignorant and should be rejected, but agnosticism—to admit that we don't know and to search—is all right. ... When I look at what I call the gift of life, I feel a gratitude which is in tune with some religious ideas of God. However, the moment I even speak of it, I am embarrassed that I may do something wrong to God in talking about God." Furthermore, Popper rejected organised religion, saying that "it tends to use the name of God in vain"

 

[The Barbarian]

Immunity does not wane over your lifetime, you've been fed a lie.

Depends on the virus and the vaccine. Some kinds of vaccines are more effective over time than others.

Circulating antibodies decrease over a few years.

Memory B cells and T cells can persist for decades, providing longer-term immunity. These cells can rapidly produce antibodies and cellular responses upon re-exposure to specific pathogens. Immunity does wane over time, but live virus vaccines can provide life-long immunity. Such vaccines contain a weakened form of the virus that causes a mild, transient infection before the body mounts a defense against them.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/what-is-a-live-virus-vaccine-200925

I operated an immunology clinic in the AF; I had my technicians to make sure that every person about to receive a live-virus vaccine did not have certain conditions or medications that would make them immune-compromised.

 

[Justified]

Jeremiah 17:5 -
Thus says the Lord,
“Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind
And makes flesh his strength,
And whose heart turns away from the Lord.

Again, misusing Scripture.

Is it fair to say that you don’t believe Christian scientists and doctors?

 

[Rockerduck]

Again, misusing Scripture.

Is it fair to say that you don’t believe Christian scientists and doctors?

God doesn't lie, but scientists do. Jeremiah 17:5 is not a misuse of scripture, it is God's truth to His chosen elect. You don't need a doctor to diet do you? You know that losing weight will cure things, right? You know that exercise cures things too, right. throw away the pills.. Let God show you what you need, put your trust in God and nothing else. You can't trust God alone and listen to scientists and doctors, who only work for money and how to make more money and make you afraid.

 

[Armour of God]

That would have to have been over a very long time. And I notice you couldn't provide one example. Let's look again at what Popper has to say about it.

I see in modern Darwinism the most successful explanation of the relevant facts. [Popper, 1957, p. 106

The Mendelian underpinning of modern Darwinism has been well tested and so has the theory of evolution which says that all terrestrial life has evolved from a few primitive unicellular organisms, possibly even from one single organism. [Popper, 1978, p. 344;

It does appear that some people think that I denied scientific character to the historical sciences, such as palaeontology, or the history of the evolution of life on Earth. This is a mistake, and I here wish to affirm that these and other historical sciences have in my opinion scientific character; their hypotheses can in many cases be tested. [Popper, 1981, p. 611]

No, you have it wrong. Popper clearly showed that evolutionary theory is a proper scientific theory.

Moreover, Karl Popper was himself not a theist. And he was certainly not the kind of submit to any sort of thugs, creationist or otherwise.

"I don't know whether God exists or not. ... Some forms of atheism are arrogant and ignorant and should be rejected, but agnosticism—to admit that we don't know and to search—is all right. ... When I look at what I call the gift of life, I feel a gratitude which is in tune with some religious ideas of God. However, the moment I even speak of it, I am embarrassed that I may do something wrong to God in talking about God." Furthermore, Popper rejected organised religion, saying that "it tends to use the name of God in vain"

Like I already said, Popper was threatened and forced to change his opinion by thugs. He originally rejected ToE and in the end he rejected ToE

But let's get back on topic.
During covid, doctors and scientists were threatened and silenced for questioning and having different opinions. That is a clear sign of a pseudo-science

 

[The Barbarian]

Like I already said, Popper was threatened and forced to change his opinion by thugs.

But you can't show us this? We all know why.

He originally rejected ToE and in the end he rejected ToE

But you can't show us this? We all know why.

 

[The Barbarian]

During covid, doctors and scientists were threatened and silenced for questioning and having different opinions.

But you can't show us this? In fact there are a few doctors out there who did and still do express other opinions about the vaccine. None of them seem to have been silenced or lost their jobs.

Why is that?

 

[The Barbarian]

God doesn't lie, but scientists do. Jeremiah 17:5 is not a misuse of scripture, it is God's truth to His chosen elect. You don't need a doctor to diet do you? You know that losing weight will cure things, right? You know that exercise cures things too, right. throw away the pills.. Let God show you what you need, put your trust in God and nothing else. You can't trust God alone and listen to scientists and doctors, who only work for money and how to make more money and make you afraid.

That's pretty much how it was a few hundred years ago. How was the death rate for measles then? Compare to now.

Who wants that back?

 

[Armour of God]

But you can't show us this?

I don't have to show you anything. I know that when I do you just reject it anyway

Do you admit that silencing doctors for having a different opinion is wrong and constitutes as a pseudo-science?

 

[The Barbarian]

I don't have to show you anything.

You don't have to support anything you claim. But people draw conclusions from that.

Do you admit that silencing doctors for having a different opinion is wrong and constitutes as a pseudo-science?

No, that would be a violation of the First Amendment. I'm just pointing out that no one has stepped up with examples. And there are a good number of counter-examples:

• Dr. Rashid Buttar posted on Twitter that COVID-19 “was a planned operation” and shared an article alleging that most people who got vaccinated against the coronavirus would be dead by 2025.
• Another example is Dr. Sherri Jane Tenpenny’s June testimony, before Ohio state legislators, that the vaccine could cause people to become magnetized.
• April 9, 2020, Dr. Joseph Mercola posted a video about whether hydrogen peroxide could treat the coronavirus; it was shared more than 4,600 times. In the video, Mercola said that inhaling hydrogen peroxide through a nebulizer could prevent or cure COVID-19.
• Dr. Dan Stock claimed the surge in cases this summer (2021) was due to “antibody mediated viral enhancement” from vaccinated people.
• Dr. Stella Immanuel, a member of America’s Frontline Doctors, a group that has consistently made false statements about the virus, said in a video that went viral in July 2020 that masks weren’t necessary because the virus could be cured by hydroxycloroquine. Immanuel’s website currently promotes a set of vitamins, as well as hydroxycloroquine and ivermectin, as covid treatments.

None of these have been disciplined by any medical association or government authority. And yes, I cherry-picked some of the loonier examples.

Psuedo-science is the promulgation of claims about science that are not supported by evidence. Stuff like "most people vaccinated for COVID-19 will be dead by 2025." That kind of thing.

 

[Armour of God]

You don't have to support anything you claim. But people draw conclusions from that.

No, that would be a violation of the First Amendment. I'm just pointing out that no one has stepped up with examples. And there are a good number of counter-examples:

• Dr. Rashid Buttar posted on Twitter that COVID-19 “was a planned operation” and shared an article alleging that most people who got vaccinated against the coronavirus would be dead by 2025.
• Another example is Dr. Sherri Jane Tenpenny’s June testimony, before Ohio state legislators, that the vaccine could cause people to become magnetized.
• April 9, 2020, Dr. Joseph Mercola posted a video about whether hydrogen peroxide could treat the coronavirus; it was shared more than 4,600 times. In the video, Mercola said that inhaling hydrogen peroxide through a nebulizer could prevent or cure COVID-19.
• Dr. Dan Stock claimed the surge in cases this summer (2021) was due to “antibody mediated viral enhancement” from vaccinated people.
• Dr. Stella Immanuel, a member of America’s Frontline Doctors, a group that has consistently made false statements about the virus, said in a video that went viral in July 2020 that masks weren’t necessary because the virus could be cured by hydroxycloroquine. Immanuel’s website currently promotes a set of vitamins, as well as hydroxycloroquine and ivermectin, as covid treatments.

None of these have been disciplined by any medical association or government authority. And yes, I cherry-picked some of the loonier examples.

Psuedo-science is the promulgation of claims about science that are not supported by evidence. Stuff like "most people vaccinated for COVID-19 will be dead by 2025." That kind of thing.

Doctors being punished for having a different opinion. It's not science. It's wrong.
It's pseudo-science

 

[The Barbarian]

Certifications mean the physician is in accord with those particular groups of physicians. They don't lose their license to practice. They are free to practice as the law allows, but they aren't free to demand that other physicians agree with them.

From your source:
COVID-19 safety recommendations are set by mainstream medical organizations as new information becomes available, but some doctors consistently oppose advice from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other medical authorities. These physicians often promote off-label, unapproved use of medications for COVID-19 and/or contradict mainstream safety guidelines such as vaccines, masks, and social distancing.

Some medical organizations are concerned that these doctors are hampering efforts to control the highly contagious coronavirus and are, at worst, placing lives in danger with their contrarian views that can spread like wildfire on social media sites. Their words are often used by those who refuse to be vaccinated or wear masks.

State licensing boards have mostly refused to discipline these doctors for making false and/or misleading claims, but as the virus spreads, there are calls to take action against them. However, others worry that such actions would violate free speech and critical thought.

Physicians React: Docs Lose Licenses for False COVID Information

Doctors have strong feelings about possible repercussions for physicians who disseminate inaccurate information about COVID-19. Here's what they have to say.

www.medscape.com

This directly contradicts your claims. It appears that Australia is more direct in dealing with physicians who promote false claims. But I haven't checked your claims on those sources.

The named physicians continue to have their licenses to practice medicine; they merely no longer have the certification of a private board for internal medicine. Again, they are entitled to have divergent opinions, but they are not entitled to endorsements from their peers.