Update on World System.

[Davy]

We need to remember that it was Satan who has organized the world system. Remember Satan offered it to Jesus. (Matt. 4: 8 - 10). Also, in Eph. 6: 12 we read of `principalities... powers,...rulers of darkness of this age....spiritual hosts of wickedness...`

And they involve ALL men in their world system, whether Communism, Democracy, (people rule not God) autocracy, etc etc. It is just that Satan through man now has the tools to control all people under one umbrella - Satan. (Rev. 13.

In reality per God's Word though, it is God Himself Who setup the nations, not the devil. God has only given the devil during this present world to have power over the kingdoms of this world. The idea of nations will still exist after Christ's 2nd coming...

Isa 2:2-4
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, "Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
KJV

Rev 12:5
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne.
KJV

Rev 15:4
4 Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? for Thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before Thee; for Thy judgments are made manifest.
KJV

The following revelation for God's future Kingdom I really love...

Isa 19:23-25
23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, "Blessed be Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel Mine inheritance."
KJV

 

[Marilyn C]

In reality per God's Word though, it is God Himself Who setup the nations, not the devil. God has only given the devil during this present world to have power over the kingdoms of this world. The idea of nations will still exist after Christ's 2nd coming...

Isa 2:2-4
2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, "Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
KJV

Rev 12:5
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to His throne.
KJV

Rev 15:4
4 Who shall not fear Thee, O Lord, and glorify Thy name? for Thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before Thee; for Thy judgments are made manifest.
KJV

I agree Davy it is God who brings the nations to judgment, (Ps. 110: 1) however, the World System is of Satan.

 

[Marilyn C]

The following revelation for God's future Kingdom I really love...

Isa 19:23-25
23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.
24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, "Blessed be Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel Mine inheritance."
KJV

You may want to think about this.

LIFE IN THE MILLENNIUM

The plagues through the tribulation and the great earthquake that caused the cities of the nations to fall, will cause such great devastation upon the earth that civilization as we know it will cease.

`And there were noises and thunderings and lightning; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth….and the cities of the nations fell…..every island fled away, and the mountains were not found..` (Rev. 16: 18 & 20)

No technology, no fuel, no food production, no medical facilities, no businesses of any kind, all will have crumbled, obliterated. There will be only few people upon the earth after the plagues, mass killings and persecutions.

Life in the millennium will have to start from the basics - agriculture and working together in family groups. There will be no more wars, so the weapons will be made into farm implements.

` They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.` (Micah 4: 3)

People will have to go up to Jerusalem to worship and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If they don`t then God will not send any rain upon their land. This will cause famine, plagues, disease and death.

`And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.` (Zech. 14: 17 & 18)

Jesus will not be sitting on a physical throne in Jerusalem for people to come and worship Him once a year. Jesus will not walking around the earth looking at those who are dying – children, elderly etc. Jesus will not be going around healing people as when He was on earth.

The people of the world are still sinful and need to turn to God. There are still consequences for man`s actions. God`s purpose is to show that even though Satan and his fallen angels have been removed, and God`s righteous rule is through Israel, that mankind will still rebel. Thus God is just to bring about a conclusion to time and bring in the judgments.

 

[Marilyn C]

 

[WPM]

One could openly say that Islam is totaly a Semitic race of people !

Anyone who has read the Bible knows that The Jews originaly came from only one Tribe of many Semitic Tribes at their start, of what is called by most people nowadays, The Jews ?

Of what most people call Jews nowadays, not all are in fact Semitic at all !

The creation of the UN, NATO, EU etc are all a creation that once was ! but they are all unelected Mobs that have changed their spots over time and the criminals within have only gotten much worst ! criminals and murderes have always been and still are within the Mob !

One would think that they were all above board upstanding people within such creations, from what the Media's possition peddles !
So are we to idolise such unelected Mobs that force and dictate over our Governments ?
So what do we see ? or are being played ? is it not to or do not question any such a Mob !
I never hear any questioning of any such unelected Bodys by the Media or Governments, bar a few who have called some point to question, but the MS Media dissmiss it all !

Hitler tryed to move out of the power of the money system and creat his own system, so the Germans were attacked for trying to push such ? not to mention the world took on the Nazi Socialist System. but now we see that the USA as the Key player in system standard foundations. has not been respected as the Key for 20 years or so because the USA is so far in debt ! so it could fall and fail !

So a creation of moving aways from the Key Standard has been erroding !

So what to do ? Play another Game !

The world moved away from the Gold Standard bacause their were problems with that system and used the Nazis System of Socialist ends to Play the cards ! and yes it worked very well ? but oh boy, Lies and deception catch up in time.

I was talking to a good mate who was a 33 Degree Freemason and he pointed out what the system is.

I see it as a Casino ! you can not win, for who controles the Casino.
Anyone who goes to a Casino is a fool !

Oil in Iran means nothing, we do not truly need them at all, regardless what the MS Media peddle.
I do not want their oil I would stop Iran from all export and all imports totaly ! because they are a Criminal Dictatorship !

We can use Russian oil, for such as they are nothing like Iran criminal intents. but for the MS Media and it's intentions of running around and only backing up every totaly idiot moronic Dictatorship in fact for they are clearly Socialist NWO peddlers who clearly are undermining their own economys as with others in fact !

No one is going to be raptured up ! that's clearly fantasy land nonsense. You will reap what you Sow ! Period !

Irans Leadership Sowed and will Reap, like any outright Criminal !

God never came down to save anyone in WW1 or WW2. They reaped what they Sowed.

The EU is elected.

 

[Luther7]

You may want to think about this.

LIFE IN THE MILLENNIUM

The plagues through the tribulation and the great earthquake that caused the cities of the nations to fall, will cause such great devastation upon the earth that civilization as we know it will cease.

`And there were noises and thunderings and lightning; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth….and the cities of the nations fell…..every island fled away, and the mountains were not found..` (Rev. 16: 18 & 20)

No technology, no fuel, no food production, no medical facilities, no businesses of any kind, all will have crumbled, obliterated. There will be only few people upon the earth after the plagues, mass killings and persecutions.

Life in the millennium will have to start from the basics - agriculture and working together in family groups. There will be no more wars, so the weapons will be made into farm implements.

` They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.` (Micah 4: 3)

People will have to go up to Jerusalem to worship and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If they don`t then God will not send any rain upon their land. This will cause famine, plagues, disease and death.

`And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.` (Zech. 14: 17 & 18)

Jesus will not be sitting on a physical throne in Jerusalem for people to come and worship Him once a year. Jesus will not walking around the earth looking at those who are dying – children, elderly etc. Jesus will not be going around healing people as when He was on earth.

The people of the world are still sinful and need to turn to God. There are still consequences for man`s actions. God`s purpose is to show that even though Satan and his fallen angels have been removed, and God`s righteous rule is through Israel, that mankind will still rebel. Thus God is just to bring about a conclusion to time and bring in the judgments.

I think a lot of us need to go back to a scriptural foundation, one that our church fathers have professed for hundreds of years, before the talmudic infiltration in the pulpits.

This current sin cursed earth ENDS when Jesus Christ comes the second time IN JUDGMENT.

To be immediately followed by A NEW HEAVENS and a NEW EARTH.

The " rapture" is a relatively recent false teaching.
No sound theologian in the past ever taught that Christians would be floating around in the air with Jesus while the world goes into chaos, primarily because it is not found in scripture.

We will be here, just as we are currently experiencing the birth pains. And when the tribulation does come, we ( true believers elect of God) will be here to lead others to Christ.

And with this understanding one does not have to go on a bewildering path trying to fit all the allegory from the OT and Revelation into the false expectation of a physical millennial reign in which Jesus clearly states that HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. This world. That means THIS world. We wait for a new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[WPM]

You may want to think about this.

LIFE IN THE MILLENNIUM

The plagues through the tribulation and the great earthquake that caused the cities of the nations to fall, will cause such great devastation upon the earth that civilization as we know it will cease.

`And there were noises and thunderings and lightning; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth….and the cities of the nations fell…..every island fled away, and the mountains were not found..` (Rev. 16: 18 & 20)

No technology, no fuel, no food production, no medical facilities, no businesses of any kind, all will have crumbled, obliterated. There will be only few people upon the earth after the plagues, mass killings and persecutions.

Life in the millennium will have to start from the basics - agriculture and working together in family groups. There will be no more wars, so the weapons will be made into farm implements.

` They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.` (Micah 4: 3)

People will have to go up to Jerusalem to worship and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If they don`t then God will not send any rain upon their land. This will cause famine, plagues, disease and death.

`And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.` (Zech. 14: 17 & 18)

Jesus will not be sitting on a physical throne in Jerusalem for people to come and worship Him once a year. Jesus will not walking around the earth looking at those who are dying – children, elderly etc. Jesus will not be going around healing people as when He was on earth.

The people of the world are still sinful and need to turn to God. There are still consequences for man`s actions. God`s purpose is to show that even though Satan and his fallen angels have been removed, and God`s righteous rule is through Israel, that mankind will still rebel. Thus God is just to bring about a conclusion to time and bring in the judgments.

Because you have zero corroboration for your future millennium, you use "last days" passages relating to the here and now, and "new heavens, and a new earth" passages that relate to the eternal state, to apply to this imaginary invented age.

Christ appears with His holy angels (Matthew 13:41-43, 49 16:27 24:29-31 25:31-32, Mark 13:25-27, Luke 9:26, Revelation 14:14-20) and the New Jerusalem (John 14:1-3, Hebrews 11:8-10, 13-16, 13:14. Revelation 3:11-12, 21:1-4).

The wicked, to a man, are immediately destroyed at Christ’s return, as in Noah and Lot’s day (Joel 2:1-3, Joel 2:10-11, Isaiah 13:6-12, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 3:12, Luke 17:27-30, I Thessalonians 5:2-4, II Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 2:5-9, Revelation 19:17-21 and Revelation 20:9).

There is a general resurrection/judgment (singular) of all mankind at the coming of Christ (Matthew 10:15, 12:36, 16:27, 25:31-46, John 5:21-30, 6:39-44, 54, 10:42, 11:21-27, 12:48, 17:30-32, 24:15, Acts 10:42, 17:30-31, Romans 2:4-8, 14:10-12, 1 Corinthians 3:6-8, 11-15, 1 Corinthians 4:5, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 2 Timothy 4:1-8, 2 Thessalonians 1:5-8, 1 Timothy 5:24, Hebrews 9:27, 10:27, 2 Peter 2:9, 3:7, 1 Peter 4:1-5, 1 John 4:17, and Revelation 19:11, 20:11-15, 22:12).

Satan cast into the Lake of Fire (Isaiah 26:19, II Thessalonians 2:1-9 Revelation 20:10). This occurs before the heaven and earth pass away in Revelation 20.

There is a climactic conflagration (Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15).

Perfection arrives with the age to come (Luke 20:27-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55, 2 Peter 3:3-13 Philippians 3:20-21, 1 Peter 4:3-7, Hebrews 1:10-12 and Revelation 20:11-15, 21:1-5).

The age to come possesses no mortals. The wicked are destroyed at His appearing (2 Samuel 22:9, Job 41:20-21, Psalm 18:7-8, 37:9-11, 50:1-6, 68:1-3, 97:3-5, Isaiah 11:4-5, 13:9, 30:33, 66:15-17, Joel 2:1-3, 2:10-11, Nahum 1:1, 5-6, Malachi 4:1, Luke 17:26-30, 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 13:8-13, 15:50-55, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:3, II Thessalonians 1:4-10, Revelation 16:15-21, 19:11-18, Revelation 21-22).

1 Corinthians 13:12, Ephesians 4:13 and Revelation 10:5-7 show that the curtain coming down on the mystery of God, thus confirming we are at the end of time and entering into eternity when all will finally be revealed.

This is a water-tight argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

 

[Marilyn C]

I think a lot of us need to go back to a scriptural foundation, one that our church fathers have professed for hundreds of years, before the talmudic infiltration in the pulpits.

This current sin cursed earth ENDS when Jesus Christ comes the second time IN JUDGMENT.

To be immediately followed by A NEW HEAVENS and a NEW EARTH.

The " rapture" is a relatively recent false teaching.
No sound theologian in the past ever taught that Christians would be floating around in the air with Jesus while the world goes into chaos, primarily because it is not found in scripture.

We will be here, just as we are currently experiencing the birth pains. And when the tribulation does come, we ( true believers elect of God) will be here to lead others to Christ.

And with this understanding one does not have to go on a bewildering path trying to fit all the allegory from the OT and Revelation into the false expectation of a physical millennial reign in which Jesus clearly states that HIS KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD. This world. That means THIS world. We wait for a new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Hi Luther,

So what about -

People will have to go up to Jerusalem to worship and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If they don`t then God will not send any rain upon their land. This will cause famine, plagues, disease and death.

`And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.` (Zech. 14: 17 & 18)

 

[Marilyn C]

Because you have zero corroboration for your future millennium, you use "last days" passages relating to the here and now, and "new heavens, and a new earth" passages that relate to the eternal state, to apply to this imaginary invented age.

Christ appears with His holy angels (Matthew 13:41-43, 49 16:27 24:29-31 25:31-32, Mark 13:25-27, Luke 9:26, Revelation 14:14-20) and the New Jerusalem (John 14:1-3, Hebrews 11:8-10, 13-16, 13:14. Revelation 3:11-12, 21:1-4).

The wicked, to a man, are immediately destroyed at Christ’s return, as in Noah and Lot’s day (Joel 2:1-3, Joel 2:10-11, Isaiah 13:6-12, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 3:12, Luke 17:27-30, I Thessalonians 5:2-4, II Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 2:5-9, Revelation 19:17-21 and Revelation 20:9).

There is a general resurrection/judgment (singular) of all mankind at the coming of Christ (Matthew 10:15, 12:36, 16:27, 25:31-46, John 5:21-30, 6:39-44, 54, 10:42, 11:21-27, 12:48, 17:30-32, 24:15, Acts 10:42, 17:30-31, Romans 2:4-8, 14:10-12, 1 Corinthians 3:6-8, 11-15, 1 Corinthians 4:5, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 2 Timothy 4:1-8, 2 Thessalonians 1:5-8, 1 Timothy 5:24, Hebrews 9:27, 10:27, 2 Peter 2:9, 3:7, 1 Peter 4:1-5, 1 John 4:17, and Revelation 19:11, 20:11-15, 22:12).

Satan cast into the Lake of Fire (Isaiah 26:19, II Thessalonians 2:1-9 Revelation 20:10). This occurs before the heaven and earth pass away in Revelation 20.

There is a climactic conflagration (Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15).

Perfection arrives with the age to come (Luke 20:27-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55, 2 Peter 3:3-13 Philippians 3:20-21, 1 Peter 4:3-7, Hebrews 1:10-12 and Revelation 20:11-15, 21:1-5).

The age to come possesses no mortals. The wicked are destroyed at His appearing (2 Samuel 22:9, Job 41:20-21, Psalm 18:7-8, 37:9-11, 50:1-6, 68:1-3, 97:3-5, Isaiah 11:4-5, 13:9, 30:33, 66:15-17, Joel 2:1-3, 2:10-11, Nahum 1:1, 5-6, Malachi 4:1, Luke 17:26-30, 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 13:8-13, 15:50-55, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:3, II Thessalonians 1:4-10, Revelation 16:15-21, 19:11-18, Revelation 21-22).

1 Corinthians 13:12, Ephesians 4:13 and Revelation 10:5-7 show that the curtain coming down on the mystery of God, thus confirming we are at the end of time and entering into eternity when all will finally be revealed.

This is a water-tight argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Hi WPM,

So, what about -

People will have to go up to Jerusalem to worship and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If they don`t then God will not send any rain upon their land. This will cause famine, plagues, disease and death.

`And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.` (Zech. 14: 17 & 18)

 

[WPM]

Hi WPM,

So, what about -

People will have to go up to Jerusalem to worship and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If they don`t then God will not send any rain upon their land. This will cause famine, plagues, disease and death.

`And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.` (Zech. 14: 17 & 18)

Again, you avoid all the explicit New Testament Scriptures that forbid your teaching and you pitch your tent in an obscure Old Testament passage.

Can you correlate Zechariah 14 and Revelation 20? I see no connection!

Anyway, Hebrews forbids your reintroduction of the old covenant arrangement - including the restarting of the abolished OT feasts, the restoration of the old covenant priesthood, the resurrection of the abolished Judaic sacrifice system. This will never come back. Jesus done away with it on the cross.

Amils believe in the finished work of the cross, unlike Premils.

This is such a grievous and unbiblical doctrine.

 

[Davy]

You may want to think about this.

LIFE IN THE MILLENNIUM

The plagues through the tribulation and the great earthquake that caused the cities of the nations to fall, will cause such great devastation upon the earth that civilization as we know it will cease.

`And there were noises and thunderings and lightning; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth….and the cities of the nations fell…..every island fled away, and the mountains were not found..` (Rev. 16: 18 & 20)

No technology, no fuel, no food production, no medical facilities, no businesses of any kind, all will have crumbled, obliterated. There will be only few people upon the earth after the plagues, mass killings and persecutions.

Life in the millennium will have to start from the basics - agriculture and working together in family groups. There will be no more wars, so the weapons will be made into farm implements.

` They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.` (Micah 4: 3)

People will have to go up to Jerusalem to worship and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If they don`t then God will not send any rain upon their land. This will cause famine, plagues, disease and death.

`And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.` (Zech. 14: 17 & 18)

Jesus will not be sitting on a physical throne in Jerusalem for people to come and worship Him once a year. Jesus will not walking around the earth looking at those who are dying – children, elderly etc. Jesus will not be going around healing people as when He was on earth.

The people of the world are still sinful and need to turn to God. There are still consequences for man`s actions. God`s purpose is to show that even though Satan and his fallen angels have been removed, and God`s righteous rule is through Israel, that mankind will still rebel. Thus God is just to bring about a conclusion to time and bring in the judgments.

All that is assuming that people will still exist in the flesh, when they will not.

Isa 40:3-5
3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
KJV

That part above in red is meant literally and is about Christ's 2nd coming, as it was not fulfilled at the time of John the Baptist's ministry, though that was quoted about John's ministry (See John 1:23). That "highway" will be real, as also those earth changes on that day of Christ's return.


On the "last trump", all... peoples still alive on earth on that day of Christ's future return will be changed at the twinkling of an eye to the "spiritual body" (1 Cor.15). That includes the wicked unsaved too. Starting with Christ's future return, it will begin a heavenly age upon this earth. Only the unsaved will still be subject to the "second death", which is not a death of the flesh, but of one's spiritual body with soul. And thus all the destruction mentioned on that day is in that context.

As for the plagues God's "two witnesses" will cause, that will not affect those in Christ, for just as God protected the children of Israel through the plagues of Egypt, likewise He will protect us inside the "camp of the saints", as Christ is our Passover sacrificed for us.

The unsaved nations will not be destroyed on that day of Christ's return, because they would not be able to come up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship The KING and keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Once they learn the Truth during the Millennium, as it will be a time of great teaching of God's Word, they must be tested by Satan, which is why Satan will be loosed one final time after the Millennium to try and deceive them.

The "highway" mentioned in Isaiah 19 which I referenced will be the completion of the prophecy that John the Baptist's ministry would have fulfilled if the Jews had believed Messiah had come as Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Luther7]

Because you have zero corroboration for your future millennium, you use "last days" passages relating to the here and now, and "new heavens, and a new earth" passages that relate to the eternal state, to apply to this imaginary invented age.

Christ appears with His holy angels (Matthew 13:41-43, 49 16:27 24:29-31 25:31-32, Mark 13:25-27, Luke 9:26, Revelation 14:14-20) and the New Jerusalem (John 14:1-3, Hebrews 11:8-10, 13-16, 13:14. Revelation 3:11-12, 21:1-4).

The wicked, to a man, are immediately destroyed at Christ’s return, as in Noah and Lot’s day (Joel 2:1-3, Joel 2:10-11, Isaiah 13:6-12, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 3:12, Luke 17:27-30, I Thessalonians 5:2-4, II Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 2:5-9, Revelation 19:17-21 and Revelation 20:9).

There is a general resurrection/judgment (singular) of all mankind at the coming of Christ (Matthew 10:15, 12:36, 16:27, 25:31-46, John 5:21-30, 6:39-44, 54, 10:42, 11:21-27, 12:48, 17:30-32, 24:15, Acts 10:42, 17:30-31, Romans 2:4-8, 14:10-12, 1 Corinthians 3:6-8, 11-15, 1 Corinthians 4:5, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 2 Timothy 4:1-8, 2 Thessalonians 1:5-8, 1 Timothy 5:24, Hebrews 9:27, 10:27, 2 Peter 2:9, 3:7, 1 Peter 4:1-5, 1 John 4:17, and Revelation 19:11, 20:11-15, 22:12).

Satan cast into the Lake of Fire (Isaiah 26:19, II Thessalonians 2:1-9 Revelation 20:10). This occurs before the heaven and earth pass away in Revelation 20.

There is a climactic conflagration (Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20, Revelation 19:11-16 and Revelation 20:11-15).

Perfection arrives with the age to come (Luke 20:27-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 15:50-55, 2 Peter 3:3-13 Philippians 3:20-21, 1 Peter 4:3-7, Hebrews 1:10-12 and Revelation 20:11-15, 21:1-5).

The age to come possesses no mortals. The wicked are destroyed at His appearing (2 Samuel 22:9, Job 41:20-21, Psalm 18:7-8, 37:9-11, 50:1-6, 68:1-3, 97:3-5, Isaiah 11:4-5, 13:9, 30:33, 66:15-17, Joel 2:1-3, 2:10-11, Nahum 1:1, 5-6, Malachi 4:1, Luke 17:26-30, 20:34-36, Romans 8:19-23, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 13:8-13, 15:50-55, 1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:3, II Thessalonians 1:4-10, Revelation 16:15-21, 19:11-18, Revelation 21-22).

1 Corinthians 13:12, Ephesians 4:13 and Revelation 10:5-7 show that the curtain coming down on the mystery of God, thus confirming we are at the end of time and entering into eternity when all will finally be revealed.

This is a water-tight argument to me that the second coming is “the end.”

Very well stated, and loaded with scripture!

I'm going to take a screenshot to have the verses.

And yes, ( SADLY) the wicked are destroyed, both soul and body. The wicked in God's eyes are all who rejected Him. I hope that children and the mentally disabled aren't included. But whatever God's will is, so be it.

 

[Luther7]

All that is assuming that people will still exist in the flesh, when they will not.

Isa 40:3-5
3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
4 Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:
5 And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
KJV

That part above in red is meant literally and is about Christ's 2nd coming, as it was not fulfilled at the time of John the Baptist's ministry, though that was quoted about John's ministry (See John 1:23). That "highway" will be real, as also those earth changes on that day of Christ's return.


On the "last trump", all... peoples still alive on earth on that day of Christ's future return will be changed at the twinkling of an eye to the "spiritual body" (1 Cor.15). That includes the wicked unsaved too. Starting with Christ's future return, it will begin a heavenly age upon this earth. Only the unsaved will still be subject to the "second death", which is not a death of the flesh, but of one's spiritual body with soul. And thus all the destruction mentioned on that day is in that context.

As for the plagues God's "two witnesses" will cause, that will not affect those in Christ, for just as God protected the children of Israel through the plagues of Egypt, likewise He will protect us inside the "camp of the saints", as Christ is our Passover sacrificed for us.

The unsaved nations will not be destroyed on that day of Christ's return, because they would not be able to come up to Jerusalem from year to year to worship The KING and keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Once they learn the Truth during the Millennium, as it will be a time of great teaching of God's Word, they must be tested by Satan, which is why Satan will be loosed one final time after the Millennium to try and deceive them.

The "highway" mentioned in Isaiah 19 which I referenced will be the completion of the prophecy that John the Baptist's ministry would have fulfilled if the Jews had believed Messiah had come as Jesus of Nazareth.

You said " Starting with Christ's future return, it will begin a heavenly age upon this earth."

No, Davy, it won't be upon this current earth. Jesus Christ is coming in glory and VICTORY over this sin cursed earth to make it NEW.

There are absolutely no verses that support your " jewish fable", as this teaching comes straight out of the talmud. Christians should be looking for perfection and sin- free beauty when Jesus comes, NOT A THOUSAND YEAR WAITING PERIOD.

 

[Luther7]

Hi Luther,

So what about -

People will have to go up to Jerusalem to worship and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. If they don`t then God will not send any rain upon their land. This will cause famine, plagues, disease and death.

`And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain.

If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.` (Zech. 14: 17 & 18)

Pure allegory, Marilyn, pure allegory. You ( not you personally) have to discern when God is describing something so uniquely heavenly with language we can relate to.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hi Luther,

So what about -

People will have to go up to Jerusalem to worship and celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles

Do you not consider that believing that will happen in the future contradicts what is written in other scriptures like John 4:19-24 and Hebrews 8 to 10?

Here is what Jesus said about people having to go to Jerusalem to worship.

John 4:19 The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Why would God make it so that people would no longer have to go to Jerusalem to worship while indicating that He seeks those who worship Him in spirit and in truth wherever they are located, only to once again make people go to Jerusalem to worship? Do you think God is wishy washy like that where He would make things better and then go back to the former way of doing things again? As if He will one day decide that He no longer seeks people to worship Him in spirit and truth wherever they are?

And, do you know that keeping the feast of tabernacles involves animal sacrifices and offerings? Why would future animal sacrifices and offerings occur when scripture is clear that their purpose was to foreshadow Christ's once for all sacrifice and were made obsolete by His new covenant sacrifice?

Hebrews 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure. 7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—In the volume of the book it is written of Me—To do Your will, O God.’ ”8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

 

[Marilyn C]

Pure allegory, Marilyn, pure allegory. You ( not you personally) have to discern when God is describing something so uniquely heavenly with language we can relate to.

So the `plague` is heavenly language?

 

[Marilyn C]

Do you not consider that believing that will happen in the future contradicts what is written in other scriptures like John 4:19-24 and Hebrews 8 to 10?

Here is what Jesus said about people having to go to Jerusalem to worship.

John 4:19 The woman said to Him, “Sir, I perceive that You are a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Why would God make it so that people would no longer have to go to Jerusalem to worship while indicating that He seeks those who worship Him in spirit and in truth wherever they are located, only to once again make people go to Jerusalem to worship? Do you think God is wishy washy like that where He would make things better and then go back to the former way of doing things again? As if He will one day decide that He no longer seeks people to worship Him in spirit and truth wherever they are?

And, do you know that keeping the feast of tabernacles involves animal sacrifices and offerings? Why would future animal sacrifices and offerings occur when scripture is clear that their purpose was to foreshadow Christ's once for all sacrifice and were made obsolete by His new covenant sacrifice?

Hebrews 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: “Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me. 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure. 7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—In the volume of the book it is written of Me—To do Your will, O God.’ ”8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Those in the millennium of the nations do NOT have the Holy Spirit within them.

And the sacrifices for an earthly people are to teach them the consequences of sin - looking back to the Lord`s sacrifice.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Those in the millennium of the nations do NOT have the Holy Spirit within them.

And the sacrifices for an earthly people are to teach them the consequences of sin - looking back to the Lord`s sacrifice.

Why would that be necessary? Do you think they won't have any access to the the Bible during that supposed future time period? Why couldn't they learn about the consequences of sin from the Bible?

 

[Luther7]

So the `plague` is heavenly language?

Yes. Heavenly, spiritual, allegorical parabolic language. And it doesn't mean that we will have a complete understanding of it either. Only in God's time. I will be the first to admit the lack of in when it comes to the really obscure verses in the OT.
Because of the abundant information in the New Testament ( Covenant) regarding the last days, we know for sure that we do not have to create some kind of scenario with language we don't even understand ourselves.

 

[WPM]

Those in the millennium of the nations do NOT have the Holy Spirit within them.

And the sacrifices for an earthly people are to teach them the consequences of sin - looking back to the Lord`s sacrifice.

What? Where does it say that in Rev 20, the NT or the OT? You seem to make it up as you go.