Using OT Law on Rape as an Example for Statute of Limitations

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Arthur81

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Deu 22:22-27 NRSVue
22 “If a man is discovered lying with the wife of another man, both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman as well as the woman. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.
23 “If there is a young woman, a virgin already engaged to be married, and a man meets her in the town and lies with her,
24 you shall bring both of them to the gate of that town and stone them to death, the young woman because she did not cry for help in the town and the man because he violated his neighbor’s wife. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.
25 “But if the man meets the engaged woman in the open country and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die.
26 You shall do nothing to the young woman; the young woman has not committed an offense punishable by death, because this case is like that of someone who attacks and murders a neighbor.
27 Since he found her in the open country, the engaged woman may have cried for help, but there was no one to rescue her.

A Christian society or nation does NOT gets its laws and commandments from Moses, but Paul did say the OT was an example for us to consider as Christians.

When it comes to the claim of rape against someone committed years in the past, whether a man upon man, woman or child; there is the question of the Statute of Limitations. I believe it is wrong to charge a man or woman for claims of rape or sexual molestation in the distant past. Considering the OT laws on rape I quoted above -

First a thought, the story of the woman caught in the act of adultery, where the woman was brought before Jesus for his statement on stoning. I suspect Jesus may have written Deut. 22:22 where if the woman and man were caught or "discovered", why bring only the woman to Jesus for stoning, where is the man mentioned? Now to Statute of Limitations -

Don't vs23-24 compare with the idea of making claims of rape or molestation occurring in years past. Isn't there a hint that these claims of rape and molestations committed in years past should be considered bogus, regardless of the sexes and involved. If the accusation is not made at the time, is that not similar to a woman not crying out in the town when she is sexually attacked?

Yet vs 25-27 indicates that if the rape was in the country where the woman could not receive help by crying out, she was innocent. Maybe this would compare to a man or woman sexually molesting a child where the responsibility is solely on the offender, so there should be a reasonable time the Statute of Limitations found, but once the child has grown to 18 or 21 and has not made the claim, he or she should have no grounds to make accusations.

What say you?
 

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Isn't there a hint that these claims of rape and molestations committed in years past should be considered bogus, regardless of the sexes and involved. If the accusation is not made at the time,

So, are you trying to sell child molesting as .. as long as its long ago, and now the Child molested by an adult, is now an adult.......its no longer a valid crime, in your opinion?

= ??????????????

Correct ???
I think you are actually going to have a more difficult time selling that "crazy", then you had selling Gay Sex is "ok with God", as you tried to sell that as "LOVE".. for a while. @Arthur81 .

It might be possible to sell """""if the SEX offender, is not yet designated as an adult (age), then that is different regarding the Law, then if an old man rapes his daughter's child"..

Ect...

And you are a lock step Calvinist - TULIP, also.... according to your posts and Threads regarding that Topic.

So, is there anything you can teach that isn't wrong?
 
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So, are you trying to sell child molesting as .. as long as its long ago, and now the Child molested by an adult, is now an adult.......its no longer a valid crime, in your opinion?

= ??????????????

Correct ???
I think you are actually going to have a more difficult time selling that "crazy", then you had selling Gay Sex is "ok with God", as you tried to sell that as "LOVE".. for a while. @Arthur81 .

It might be possible to sell """""if the SEX offender, is not yet designated as an adult (age), then that is different regarding the Law, then if an old man rapes his daughter's child"..

Ect...

And you are a lock step Calvinist - TULIP, also.... according to your posts and Threads regarding that Topic.

So, is there anything you can teach that isn't wrong?
As usual, you make your incoherent and snide remarks without any substance. I think what I wrote was clear, in brief fashion, as to my view on child molestation. An example I had in mind was where men in their 30s would charge a Priest for molesting them in years past, when it was only where a psychologist dreamed up a theory how the molestation had become a repressed memory, and just needed to be brought out. BOGUS garbage!

You mention "Gay Sex" as sin, but you cannot give me one single verse that states that to be the case. You can select a modern 'evangelical' translation that departs from the older KJV, RV, ASV & YLT versions. Or you can read into texts out of your own bigoted biases, but nowhere in all of God's word is simple sex between two males stated to be sin. By simple I mean non-abusive, non-idolatrous, mutually desired relations between the two mates involved.
 

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As usual, you make your incoherent and snide remarks without any substance.

I quoted you, and then responded to your quote.

So, i agree that what you posted has no moral "substance", however, as you posted the Thread, you now are obligated to deal with the responses.
Welcome to a forum.
That's what happens on them. @Arthur81
 

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An example I had in mind was where men in their 30s would charge a Priest for molesting them in years past, when it was only where a psychologist dreamed up a theory how the molestation had become a repressed memory,

In that case, that is a topic for discussion, as if the molestation never happened, then no one is accountable.
However, if a Catholic Priest, is created to be a child molester, because Catholic Doctrine forbids Him to have a wife, as God would have it, and this sexual repression drives him to a child, to relieve His God given urges, then while the Priest is the molester, its the Catholic Church's "doctrine of devils"., that has positioned this man into a situation that created this sexual offense.

Paul teaches that "forbidding to MARRY< is a Doctrine of DEViLS", and that is your Catholic Church, in progress.


You mention "Gay Sex" as sin, but you cannot give me one single verse that states that to be the case.

Romans 1, says that when a man defiles himself with another man... then He has immorally left the natural use of a woman, then that one, is the one you are describing, as your Gay Sex is really Love...... immoral teaching.
 

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As usual, you make your incoherent and snide remarks without any substance. I think what I wrote was clear, in brief fashion, as to my view on child molestation. An example I had in mind was where men in their 30s would charge a Priest for molesting them in years past, when it was only where a psychologist dreamed up a theory how the molestation had become a repressed memory, and just needed to be brought out. BOGUS garbage!

You mention "Gay Sex" as sin, but you cannot give me one single verse that states that to be the case. You can select a modern 'evangelical' translation that departs from the older KJV, RV, ASV & YLT versions. Or you can read into texts out of your own bigoted biases, but nowhere in all of God's word is simple sex between two males stated to be sin. By simple I mean non-abusive, non-idolatrous, mutually desired relations between the two mates involved.
Ouch! I wonder if @Jack will catch this thread. Of his 9,000+ posts, half of them are polemics against gays! I bet he has Lev. 18:22 tattooed on himself somewhere.
 

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In that case, that is a topic for discussion, as if the molestation never happened, then no one is accountable.
However, if a Catholic Priest, is created to be a child molester, because Catholic Doctrine forbids Him to have a wife, as God would have it, and this sexual repression drives him to a child, to relieve His God given urges, then while the Priest is the molester, its the Catholic Church's "doctrine of devils"., that has positioned this man into a situation that created this sexual offense.

Paul teaches that "forbidding to MARRY< is a Doctrine of DEViLS", and that is your Catholic Church, in progress.




Romans 1, says that when a man defiles himself with another man... then He has immorally left the natural use of a woman, then that one, is the one you are describing, as your Gay Sex is really Love...... immoral teaching.
Rom 1:26-27 NRSVue
26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Their females exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural,
27 and in the same way also the males, giving up natural intercourse with females, were consumed with their passionate desires for one another. Males committed shameless acts with males and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error.

#1, Does anyone see in v26 that women were having unnatural intercourse with other women? No! They can be having unnatural intercourse with men. Of course, if you can't read into this v26 a condemnation of lesbianism, you cannot find it condemned anywhere in all of God's word. This is enough to make one recognize the gay hater's reading into v27 also.

#2, Don't ignore in v27 the phrase "giving up natural intercourse with females". Only those who gave up intercourse with females are in this verse, in this context. So, to use this verse to prove any two males in a relationship are sinning, when the verse clearly states that those who gave up sex with females, as the Greek shows. This verse is specific!

We do not remain with just the grammatical, we have the historical context to consider. There was a Greek in Paul's day who described more fully what is clearly what Paul was condemning -

From the Greek philosopher Dio Chrysostom (40-110 AD) in The Seventh or Euboean Discourse

Phrasing lifted from text numbered 133 through 152

"In dealing with brothel-keepers and their trade we must certainly betray no weakness as though something were to be said on both sides, but must sternly forbid them...Such men bring individuals together in union without love and intercourse without affection, and all for the sake of filthy lucre...For evils are never wont to remain as they are; they are ever active and advancing to greater wantonness if they meet no compelling check...Indeed, beginning with practices and habits that seem trivial and allowable, it acquires a strength and force that are uncontrollable, and no longer stops at anything...Now at this point we must assuredly remember that this adultery committed with outcasts, so evident in our midst and becoming so brazen and unchecked, is to a very great extent paving the way to hidden and secret assaults upon the chastity of women and boys of good family...The man whose appetite is insatiate in such things, when he finds there is no scarcity, no resistance, in this field, will have contempt for the easy conquest and scorn for a woman's love, as a thing too readily given — in fact, too utterly feminine — and will turn his assault against the male quarters, eager to befoul the youth who will very soon be magistrates and judges and generals, believing that in them he will find a kind of pleasure difficult and hard to procure. His state is like that of men who are addicted to drinking and wine-bibbing, who after long and steady drinking of unmixed wine, often lose their taste for it and create an artificial thirst by the stimulus of sweatings, salted foods, and condiments."

The ignorant Bible thumpers may read into this a blanket condemnation of any and all relations between two males, but the verse does not state that. Keep in mind, the Bible has nothing about homosexual orientation, relations between men can take place regardless of orientation.