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I do have to try to when it comes to resisting temptation.

It's by God's grace that I have the will to even do this. But for me, the temptation to walk in the flesh is very strong at times and it is an effort to stay in the Spirit.

There is porn at our fingertips 24/7 through the internet. You can private message just about anybody you want as well. The devil tries to attack me with this often and it does involve effort to resist.

There are times when Im simply too focused on God to fall in to sin. But Im not sure why being taught that its a bad thing to try, if for no other reason than how much it brings you back to how much we need God's help and the Holy Spirit to live lives pleasing to the Lord.
Hi Wynona,

I find two very different ways I go about dealing with temptation.

Temptation itself, I have to ask, what is it?

I'll be happy to go into the different passages, but to summarize,

Our bodies are corrupted, damaged, by Original Sin, being born without fellowship with God, and damaged by the sinfulness in the world, our upbringing, our own choices and actions, all of these write into our being the ravages of sin, and it's deceiptful lusts.

These desires of the flesh are for safety and gratification, shelter, food, sex, fun, power, all that. God has ways to provide all this, He way, His time, but we're out of touch, so we live our lives on our own.

Then we come to faith.

God gives us rebirth, a New Creature is born. This creature is born from God Himself, His spirit child, and this New Creature now inhabits the original person born from Adam.

All of those thoughts and desires of the man born from Adam continue to go on, the 'old man'. We are to put of the old man, and put on the new man, to reject the thoughts and desires of the old man, and learn to recognize the thoughts and desires of the new man, and do those.

Situations, circumstances are before us, and the flesh man has his way, and this is sin. The New Man is born of God, and is righteous, and is empowered by God Himself.

We can endure the circumstance, only doing what we know to be approved in Christ, and let it do it's work in us. Or if we fail to trust God, we think that we have to DO something, or, we think this lust of the flesh is what "I" want, or that I can't stop it, or whatever it is that causes us to stop trusting God for life and godliness in this moment,

And sin results. The flesh is there to continue it's life if we fail to live in our new life.

That which is born of God does not sin. Is there sin in your life? It's not there from the New Creation. The New Creation shares God's nature.

The one born from Adam is a sinner, the one born from God does not sin.

James 1:14 KJV
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Ephesians 4:22 KJV
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

How I see it . . .

When we find temptations, desires for evil things, fear or anger, I think our first reaction is typically to make a choice to not do that, to stop that, an act of our will. We find the flesh pushes harder, with cravings and dread, and whatever it is. So we push harder, it pushes, we push, we either prevail or not, depending on the particular case, and the force of our willpower.

I've come to see, however, that when I'm believing my reconciliation to God, when I'm trusting that EVERYTHING NEEDED for me to have full and complete and open fellowship with God was already done by Jesus, that I find myself basking in His presence and goodness and love, and those temptations, evil desires, fears and angers and whatever, either, they simply evaporate away without a trace, or become VERY different, not pushing me at all, just seeking attention, which I either give or not, as according to what is good in the sight of God.

When temptations come pushing harder, and try to move my faith away from Jesus, there may be a bumpy ride as I endure whatever it is, but the beauty is in the presence of the Lord even when being assaulted by evil.

Resisting sin unto blood, I'm going to resist until I bleed, and die! But either by force of will, or by walking in the Spirit. Building a better character, or putting on the new man, who is righteous, just like my Father.

Either learning to walk in a better path, or stretching out my wings to fly.

Jesus gives us wings to fly, and trains us in a better life as we are learning how to fly.

Much love!
 
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under the law" shows you that you are a sinner, with no Righteousness.

"Under Grace" provides you with God's Righteousness as..>"The Gift of Righteousness".
No, because Christians can err and go back "under Law" (eg, entire epistle of Galatians), and a OSASer like yourself would deny that they lost their righteousness right (of course I would reject that, since Christ was no longer in them and they needed Christ to be formed again in them Galatians 4:19)?
 

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Whether visible of invisible, I believe this describes our relationship with Jesus.

When we are that focused on Him, our intention is to remain with Him in that way. And then God . . . @Nancy said something,



I like that!

Much love!
 
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No, because Christians can err and go back "under Law" (eg, entire epistle of Galatians), and a OSASer like yourself would deny that they lost their righteousness right (of course I would reject that, since Christ was no longer in them and they needed Christ to be formed again in them Galatians 4:19)?

You are foolish to tell real born again believers that Christ can leave them....would take His Holy Spirit, and leave the Believer.
That God, who now lives in "the body of Christ" who is each of the born again....that this same Holy God who has made us righteous, would depart from them.

So, you're running a devil's errand to try to teach against the Grace of God.

Notice that in the entire NEW Testament, there is no verse, that says, that the Holy Spirit, or Christ, or God, will depart from the Born again, once they are "ONE with God and Christ".
There is no verse in the NT that says you can stop being born again.
And their couldn't be any of those verses found in the NT, because it can't happen.
 

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Yes, I agree I am in His presence.

"Not under Law but under Grace" literally means "not under the jurisdiction of Law but under the jurisdiction of Grace"--that means that Grace is the authority for how I live in righteousness before God.


The dominion of Grace is the law for the Born Again.
If they choose to return to "self faith", or to the idea that they can lose their salvation, then the have "fallen from Grace", but that does not mean they are lost.......It just means they are deceived.
And in this deception, they return to striving to try be good, which empowers the law to cause them to sin.

"the law is the POWER OF SIN">
 

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The dominion of Grace is the law for the Born Again.
If they choose to return to "self faith", or to the idea that they can lose their salvation, then the have "fallen from Grace", but that does not mean they are lost.......It just means they are deceived.
And in this deception, they return to striving to try be good, which empowers the law to cause them to sin.

"the law is the POWER OF SIN">
1. Go read the Greek for "under" and come back to the conversation. You need to stop eisegeting.

2. Again, they are severed from Christ and He is of no avail to them. What could Christ do for them? He's the Savior. How does He "save"? By grace. Oops! They're "fallen from grace" so they can't be saved in that condition. Christ isn't in them, but needs to be formed in them "again" Galatians 4:19 (sorry you're unacquainted) because they've failed the test of faith and Christ is not in them 2 Corinthians 13:5.

3. Yup 1 Corinthians 15:56 and nothing I've said contradicts that.
 
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2. Again, they are severed from Christ and He is of no avail to them. What could Christ do for them? He's the Savior. How does He "save"? By grace. Oops! They're "fallen from grace"/QUOTE]

Actually, you are teaching works, and rejecting Salvation as a Gift.
You believe that you can lose your salvation, which means you dont trust Christ to keep you saved.
You trust YOU to do it.
So, you qualified yourself as "fallen from Grace".
 
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Behold,
You've misunderstood. The Galatians had fallen into heresy. They had fallen away from the faith. What I'm saying the issue was there was they didn't have the faith. Faith isn't a work.
 

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Hi Wynona,

I find two very different ways I go about dealing with temptation.

Temptation itself, I have to ask, what is it?

I'll be happy to go into the different passages, but to summarize,

Our bodies are corrupted, damaged, by Original Sin, being born without fellowship with God, and damaged by the sinfulness in the world, our upbringing, our own choices and actions, all of these write into our being the ravages of sin, and it's deceiptful lusts.

These desires of the flesh are for safety and gratification, shelter, food, sex, fun, power, all that. God has ways to provide all this, He way, His time, but we're out of touch, so we live our lives on our own.

Then we come to faith.

God gives us rebirth, a New Creature is born. This creature is born from God Himself, His spirit child, and this New Creature now inhabits the original person born from Adam.

All of those thoughts and desires of the man born from Adam continue to go on, the 'old man'. We are to put of the old man, and put on the new man, to reject the thoughts and desires of the old man, and learn to recognize the thoughts and desires of the new man, and do those.

Situations, circumstances are before us, and the flesh man has his way, and this is sin. The New Man is born of God, and is righteous, and is empowered by God Himself.

We can endure the circumstance, only doing what we know to be approved in Christ, and let it do it's work in us. Or if we fail to trust God, we think that we have to DO something, or, we think this lust of the flesh is what "I" want, or that I can't stop it, or whatever it is that causes us to stop trusting God for life and godliness in this moment,

And sin results. The flesh is there to continue it's life if we fail to live in our new life.

That which is born of God does not sin. Is there sin in your life? It's not there from the New Creation. The New Creation shares God's nature.

The one born from Adam is a sinner, the one born from God does not sin.

James 1:14 KJV
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.

Ephesians 4:22 KJV
That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

How I see it . . .

When we find temptations, desires for evil things, fear or anger, I think our first reaction is typically to make a choice to not do that, to stop that, an act of our will. We find the flesh pushes harder, with cravings and dread, and whatever it is. So we push harder, it pushes, we push, we either prevail or not, depending on the particular case, and the force of our willpower.

I've come to see, however, that when I'm believing my reconciliation to God, when I'm trusting that EVERYTHING NEEDED for me to have full and complete and open fellowship with God was already done by Jesus, that I find myself basking in His presence and goodness and love, and those temptations, evil desires, fears and angers and whatever, either, they simply evaporate away without a trace, or become VERY different, not pushing me at all, just seeking attention, which I either give or not, as according to what is good in the sight of God.

When temptations come pushing harder, and try to move my faith away from Jesus, there may be a bumpy ride as I endure whatever it is, but the beauty is in the presence of the Lord even when being assaulted by evil.

Resisting sin unto blood, I'm going to resist until I bleed, and die! But either by force of will, or by walking in the Spirit. Building a better character, or putting on the new man, who is righteous, just like my Father.

Either learning to walk in a better path, or stretching out my wings to fly.

Jesus gives us wings to fly, and trains us in a better life as we are learning how to fly.

Much love!

I like that your approach to sin is offensive, in a sense, rather than defensive.

I call it being offensive when temptation goes away because you're seeking God actively. This is one of the most effective ways to get rid of sin in your life.

Thankfully, not giving in to temptation gets easier and easier, the more our faith grows and the stronger the Spirit gets in us.
 
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