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[Sabé]

Excommunication is a Catholic thing.

Protestants don't excommunicate each other, but we're probably all excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church. We are, by definition, not in communion with the Pope.

In the Christian (Catholic) Church specifically, the penalty of excommunication can only affect baptized Catholics, and thus protestants can't be excommunicated from the Christian (Catholic) Church.

Excommunication​

Excommunication (Latin ex, out of, and communio or communicatio, communion — exclusion from the communion), the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society. Being a penalty, it supposes guilt; and being the most serious penalty that the Church can inflict, it naturally supposes a very grave offence. It is also a medicinal rather than a vindictive penalty, being intended, not so much to punish the culprit, as to correct him and bring him back to the path of righteousness. It necessarily, therefore, contemplates the future, either to prevent the recurrence of certain culpable acts that have grievous external consequences, or, more especially, to induce the delinquent to satisfy the obligations incurred by his offence. Its object and its effect are loss of communion, i.e. of the spiritual benefits shared by all the members of Christian society; hence, it can affect only those who by baptism have been admitted to that society. Undoubtedly there can and do exist other penal measures which entail the loss of certain fixed rights; among them are other censures, e.g. suspension for clerics, interdict for clerics and laymen, irregularity ex delicto, etc. Excommunication, however, is clearly distinguished from these penalties in that it is the privation of all rights resulting from the social status of the Christian as such. The excommunicated person, it is true, does not cease to be a Christian, since his baptism can never be effaced; he can, however, be considered as an exile from Christian society and as non-existent, for a time at least, in the sight of ecclesiastical authority. But such exile can have an end (and the Church desires it), as soon as the offender has given suitable satisfaction. Meanwhile, his status before the Church is that of a stranger. He may not participate in public worship nor receive the Body of Christ or any of the sacraments. Moreover, if he be a cleric, he is forbidden to administer a sacred rite or to exercise an act of spiritual authority.

 

[Wick Stick]

In the Christian (Catholic) Church specifically, the penalty of excommunication can only affect baptized Catholics, and thus protestants can't be excommunicated from the Christian (Catholic) Church.

...unless they were formerly Catholic

 

[Sabé]

...unless they were formerly Catholic

As I said, a person must be a member of the Christian (Catholic Church) to be excommunicated. If a person chooses to no longer be a member of the Christian (Catholic) Church, then they can't be affected by the penalty of excommunication.

 

[Wick Stick]

As I said, a person must be a member of the Christian (Catholic Church) to be excommunicated. If a person chooses to no longer be a member of the Christian (Catholic) Church, then they can't be effected by the penalty of excommunication.

I'm not too worried about it. The Pope doesn't have the authority to undo what God has done.

 

[Sabé]

I'm not too worried about it. The Pope doesn't have the authority to undo what God has done.

Worried about what? Undo what?

 

[Wick Stick]

Worried about what?

Excommunication.

Undo what?

Baptism. When a baptism is valid, God has adopted the baptizee. Nobody can undo what God Himself does... not even the Pope

 

[Sabé]

Excommunication.

It's not that you were worried, but rather misunderstood whom the penalty of excommunication applies to. Now you know.

Baptism. When a baptism is valid, God has adopted the baptizee. Nobody can undo what God Himself does... not even the Pope

Again, excommunication doesn't undo baptism. So, there's another misunderstanding about excommunication that you have. Did someone teach you that, or did you assume that's what excommunication means, or did you not read the explanation of excommunication that I copied and pasted?

 

[Wick Stick]

Again, excommunication doesn't undo baptism. So, there's another misunderstanding about excommunication that you have. Did someone teach you that, or did you assume that's what excommunication means, or did you not read the explanation of excommunication that I copied and pasted?

I don't care what the Catholic church says in their catechism. Excommunication is something made-up by the Roman Catholic Church. A threat without substantial backing.

What God does, man cannot undo. Not even in God's name.

 

[Sabé]

I don't care what the Catholic church says in their catechism.

So, you prefer to just make shit up. Got it.

 

[Wick Stick]

So, you prefer to just make shit up. Got it.

Interesting. You're standing on the outside but pretending to be on the inside.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Scripture is sufficient for bringing men to belief and salvation, but it is not a complete knowledge of Jesus. And, nowhere is that said in Scripture that God stopped speaking to or through humanity.

The problem of course is that many speak as though God has spoken to them....if they are not in agreement then they cannot all be right....so how do you tell who is genuine, and who is a psychiatric patient?

This is why he does not perform miracles or speak to humans since the death of the apostles.
If an apostasy was foretold and it happened just as Jesus said it would, nothing written after the death of those whom Jesus personally taught, can be considered as truth. He does not compete with the devil......the one who can fool people with supernatural experiences, and pretends to be “an angel of light”. (2 Cor 11:14)

They are not from God.

 

[Aunty Jane]

So, you prefer to just make shit up. Got it.

I don’t think that language is appropriate on a Christian forum. If you don’t behave like a Christian, then how can you call yourself one.....10 Hail Mary’s for you....

 

[Sabé]

I don’t think that language is appropriate on a Christian forum.

I don't think it's appropriate for @Wick Stick, a Christian, to willingly lie and ignore the truth about what excommunication means in Catholicism.

 

[Sabé]

This is why he does not perform miracles or speak to humans since the death of the apostles.
If an apostasy was foretold and it happened just as Jesus said it would, nothing written after the death of those whom Jesus personally taught, can be considered as truth. He does not compete with the devil......the one who can fool people with supernatural experiences, and pretends to be “an angel of light”. (2 Cor 11:14)

They are not from God.

You're giving your opinion, not a scriptural verse that reads God stopped speaking to or through humanity. In fact, Jesus said that there would be more true and false spokespersons, and He taught us how to tell the difference between the two. (Matt. 7:15;24:24)

The problem of course is that many speak as though God has spoken to them....if they are not in agreement then they cannot all be right....so how do you tell who is genuine, and who is a psychiatric patient?

Of course they can't all be right. That's why there are true and false spokespersons. But, why do you fear? Again, Jesus said there would be more true and false spokespersons of His, and He taught us how to tell the difference between the two (Matt. 7:15;24:24). Where's your faith? What will it take for you to trust that God will make His true and false spokespersons known, just as He's always done, just as He did with Maria Valtorta. The following is a list of proof in support of her writings having a supernatural origin, found in A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work:

• Proof by its Knowledge, Depth, and Eminence in the Theological, Exegetical, Mystical, and Mariological Fields (Which Many World-Renowned Trustworthy Theologians Say Exceed Anything They Have Ever Read)

• Proof by Her Detailed, Exact, and Often Unparalleled Knowledge of the Political, Religious, Economic, Social, and Familial Situation—as Well as the Dress—of the Ancient Jewish, Samaritan, and Roman Peoples that Astound Even World-Renowned Biblical Scholars

• Proof by The Poem's Unquestionable Expertise, Deep Knowledge, and Exhaustive Information in Such a Wide Variety of Theological and Scientific Subjects, and the Fact Almost 15,000 Handwritten Pages of Such Was Written in Only 3½ Years Amidst Her Unusually Severe Physical Condition and Illnesses and Even Though She Lacked the Learning, Resources, and Books Required to Write a Work a Tenth as Profound as This

• Proof by the Extraordinary, Unprecedented Way in Which it Was Written, Compiled, & Put Together (Such as the Fact that 166 Out of the 647 Chapters Were Written Out of Order, and She has Jesus Ministering in Over 350 Named Locations and Traveling Over 4,000 Miles in Six Different Cycles Across Palestine, and Yet Jesus and All of the Other 500+ Characters are Never in a Place Inconsistent with Either the Story Line or the Timing and Distance Necessities Required for Traveling, and There is Not One Person, Place, or Thing Out of Place)

• Proof By the Writing's Extraordinary Purity, Holiness, Loftiness, and Eminence Among the Writings that Exist in the World

• Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) by Research that Shows that The Poem is Not Based on (or a Mere Expansion of) any Known Gospel Manuscript Standard, Version, or School of Critical Thought, Something Expected if a Work of This Magnitude, Detail, and Accuracy Had Been a Mere Human Effort

• Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) in How The Poem Resolves Many Problems in the Gospel Accounts Which Scholars Have Struggled with For Years (Including Apparent Contradictions Between the Different Gospel Accounts and Apparent Errors or Inconsistencies Within the Same Gospel Account), and How It Furthermore Corrects Certain Misunderstandings and Translation Errors that Have Been Perpetuated Throughout the Centuries

• Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) by the Fact Maria Valtorta's Visions of Christ's Passion Perfectly Match Detailed Findings on the Miraculous Shroud of Turin that Recent Modern Scientific Tests Have Revealed Decades After Her Writings Were Published and the Fact Her Writings Foretold Something Amazing About the Veil of Veronica Which Has Been Scientifically Proven for the First Time Decades After Her Death

• Proof (or a Substantiating Factor) by its Perfect Correspondence to the Ancient Liturgical and Patristic Tradition of the Ancient Catholic Byzantine Rite of the Church

• Proof by the Testimony of Countless Trustworthy Clerics, Authorities, Experts, Scientists, and Pious Lay Faithful and the Tremendously Good Fruits Produced in Individuals and in the Church as a Whole

 

[Wick Stick]

I don't think it's appropriate for @Wick Stick, a Christian, to willingly lie and ignore the truth about what excommunication means in Catholicism.

Where did I lie? That didn't happen.

If the pope - or anyone really - tries to use the authority of God to thwart God's will... do you suppose they will succeed? Of course not! If God has adopted me, can Bob Prevost unadopt me? No

 

[Sabé]

Where did I lie? That didn't happen.

You said that excommunication in Catholicism means undoing Baptism, even after I told what it actually means, because, as you said, you don't care about what Catholicism actually teaches. Therefore, you prefer to make up stuff and lie about the Christian (Catholic) Church.

 

[Wick Stick]

You said that excommunication in Catholicism means undoing Baptism, even after I told what it actually means, because, as you said, you don't care about what Catholicism actually teaches. Therefore, you prefer to make up stuff and lie about the Christian (Catholic) Church.

It's not my fault you don't understand baptism

 

[Sabé]

It's not my fault you don't understand baptism

It's not my fault that you choose to lie about the Christian (Catholic) Church.

 

[Wick Stick]

It's not my fault that you choose to lie about the Christian (Catholic) Church.

That didn't happen.

You shouldn't slander people on the Internet you don't know. Ask Jesus about it.

 

[Sabé]

That didn't happen.

You shouldn't slander people on the Internet you don't know. Ask Jesus about it.

You're the one who said that you don't care about what the Christian (Catholic) Church teaches, and persisted in claiming excommunication undoes Baptism in Catholicism, after being shown it doesn't. Don't be a coward. Stand by the words that you speak.