WATCH!

[ewq1938]

That's right.

However, the Word is talking about shortening the great tribulation, not the entire 7 years.

It's the same period of time. Even if you are correct, it would still be shorter than 7 years after being shortened.

The great tribulation does not begin until the AOD is set up in the Temple.

Problem is that most people including yourself don't understand the difference between the great tribulation and the wrath of God.

Most people understand it inc;uding me but you do not understand it. The wrath of God is after the trib not during it.

The great tribulation is when believers are killed by the beast. It is over at the 6th seal. The wrath of God is when Gud punishes an unbelieving world. It is the 7th seal.

Since you don't understand that the 6th seal is a real thing, you can't understand this.

The 6th seal is prophecy, not what you think it is.

 

[CrowCross]

You can't start with 7 years, shorten it, and end up with 7 years again. That's why it is not 7 years. Rev 13 says 42 months not 84 months.

I never said that.

 

[David in NJ]

For those of you that don’t know this and are watching for the return of the Lord, there is a 7-year covenant with many that was signed in September 2023. Is this the covenant with many that is mentioned in Daniel 9, that will start the final 7 years of the age? We don’t know and will not know unless the Antichrist confirms it. The Church, however, will be raptured before that time is able to occur.

Daniel 9

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This covenant with many is the United Nations 7-year Accelerated SDG Covenant.

Something that believers should be aware of is that most of those that believe in a Pretribulation Rapture believe that the Church will be in heaven before the 7-years begins. There is not one single scripture in the Word of God that says this. Not one.

What we can determine is that the Church will be in heaven before the Great Tribulation. How do we know that?

Revelation 2
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

We don't know the if 7-year Accelerated SDG Covenant with many is the covenant spoken of in Daniel 9:27.

However, we should be aware that the Church is not in heaven before the final week begins. Watch and be ready.

Where do you live?

You do not need anything you have and i will make sure it get's put to good use.

 

[David in NJ]

Could you clarify your question so I can answer correctly.

Why does Revelation only speak of 42 months?

42 months = 3.5 years

3.5 years is HALF of 7 years

Where did the first 3.5 years go? and when?

 

[ewq1938]

I never said that.

I was just explaining something cannot be shortened and be the same length after.

 

[The Light]

Why does Revelation only speak of 42 months?

42 months = 3.5 years

3.5 years is HALF of 7 years

Where did the first 3.5 years go? and when?

There is still a final week that begins when a 7-year covenant with many is made. The does not mean there is a 7 year tribulaiton.

There only remains 3.5 years in the 70th week of Daniel, which is 42 months.

Those 3.5 years that remain are about the people of Daniel. The Church will be in heaven before the great tribulation which begins in the midst of the week when the AOD is set up in the Temple.

 

[David in NJ]

There is still a final week that begins when a 7-year covenant with many is made. The does not mean there is a 7 year tribulaiton.

There only remains 3.5 years in the 70th week of Daniel, which is 42 months.

Those 3.5 years that remain are about the people of Daniel. The Church will be in heaven before the great tribulation which begins in the midst of the week when the AOD is set up in the Temple.

God has concluded differently = Romans 10:5-13 Acts 15:9

For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”


Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,
and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

 

[David in NJ]

There is still a final week that begins when a 7-year covenant with many is made. The does not mean there is a 7 year tribulaiton.

There only remains 3.5 years in the 70th week of Daniel, which is 42 months.

AGREE

 

[The Light]

Where does the sixth seal mention this?

I'll show you but first answer this so it will be easier.

Where are the following verses found in Revelation? What chapter.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[The Light]

God has concluded differently = Romans 10:5-13 Acts 15:9

For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, “The man who does those things shall live by them.” 6But the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ down from above) 7or, “ ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’ ” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”


Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,
and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Correct. There is no difference between Jew and Greek. We all end up in the great multitude as one fold.

The question is not if, the question is when.

The Jews are blinded and cannot see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. The Gentiles are the first fold, and the Jews are the second fold. Two folds become one-fold, the great multitude.

 

[CrowCross]

I'll show you but first answer this so it will be easier.

Where are the following verses found in Revelation? What chapter.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This verse is post trib.
How does this square with those days in the passage being like the times of Noah and Lot....where a normal lifestyle of eating marrying, planting, buying and selling is presented?

The following comes from this thread I started...

Actually Jesus returns twice...

Acts 1:
11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

In verse 9 we see a description....9 After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight.

In 1 Thes 4 we read about the resurrection/rapture (caught up) event.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Jesus simply ascended into the clouds...nothing spectacular. At the resurrection rapture event Jesus returns in the clouds the same way He left.

When we get to Rev 19 we see a different description of the return of Jesus....
11 Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

In Mark 16:19–20; Luke 24:50–53 there is no mention of a white horse. if Jesus ascended into heaven on a white horse surely Luke or Mark would have mentioned it.

There are obviously 2 returns as two distinctly different description are provided in the bible to read.

The pre-trib return...
In Luke 17 Jesus provides a description and relates it to the days of Noah and Lot
26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27 People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 It was the same in the days of Lot: People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

Jesus told us... "People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building." If you think about it if Jesus only returns once at the end of the great tribulation....considering what the world has just gone through I don't think people will be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building. BUT...in the pre-trib return scenario it describes what it is like today...people ARE eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building.

 

[The Light]

This verse is post trib.

Where in Revelation do you see this verse happening? What chapter?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

[David in NJ]

Correct. There is no difference between Jew and Greek. We all end up in the great multitude as one fold.

The question is not if, the question is when.

The Jews are blinded and cannot see until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. The Gentiles are the first fold, and the Jews are the second fold. Two folds become one-fold, the great multitude.

The "When" is the moment a Jew & Gentile are born-again from Above.

JESUS Says immediately:
Or what woman, having ten silvercoins, if she loses one coin, does not light a lamp, sweep the house, and search carefully until she finds it? 9And when she has found it, she calls her friends and neighbors together, saying, ‘Rejoice with me, for I have found the piece which I lost!’ 10Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

The Holy Spirit Says immediately:
14For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

19Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

 

[CrowCross]

Where in Revelation do you see this verse happening? What chapter?

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

As I said..the verses doesn't describe the days of Noah "good times" when Jesus returns at the rapture...that's what it's post trib

 

[The Light]

As I said..the verses doesn't describe the days of Noah "good times" when Jesus returns at the rapture...that's what it's post trib

Are you saying that you are unable to find what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 in the book of Revelation? Weren't both Jesus and John talking about end times.

You keep saying "post trib", where is post trib in the book of Revelation?

 

[David in NJ]

As I said..the verses doesn't describe the days of Noah "good times" when Jesus returns at the rapture...that's what it's post trib

What makes you think it was "good times"?

 

[CrowCross]

What makes you think it was "good times"?

The description.

 

[David in NJ]

The description.

Yes, the description seems like the song from the Cars - "Let the Good Times Roll"

Secondly, we must clarify to whom that pertains to and what the circumstances were in Noah's Day.

Thirdly, a deeper meaning in "they were married and given in marriage."

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, the description seems like the song from the Cars - "Let the Good Times Roll"

Secondly, we must clarify to whom that pertains to and what the circumstances were in Noah's Day.

Thirdly, a deeper meaning in "they were married and given in marriage."

Rev 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

This is near the end of the trib and the enemy are happy and celebrating.

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Same timeframe.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes, the description seems like the song from the Cars - "Let the Good Times Roll"

Secondly, we must clarify to whom that pertains to and what the circumstances were in Noah's Day.

Thirdly, a deeper meaning in "they were married and given in marriage."

What ever your deep and secret meaning is....do you think that will be what the end of the tribulation looks like?
If so, how....describe it.