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Texas standing for our freedom...


AUSTIN, Texas – Under a measure advancing in the Texas Capitol, local police officers could be convicted of a crime for enforcing any new federal gun control laws.

Rep. Steve Toth, a newly elected Republican from the Woodlands, said his proposal would prevent officers from carrying out any future federal orders to confiscate assault rifles and ammunition magazines.

"There's a federal law, there's a 30-round magazine right in front of you - what do I do?" Toth said in an interview. The measure known as the Firearm Protection Act "answers that question in spades," he said. It moved Tuesday to the House Committee on Federalism.

President Barack Obama has proposed federal laws banning such weapons, but no such laws currently exist.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/21/texas-lawmakers-seek-to-block-federal-gun-control/#ixzz2LXfudUY0
 

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laid renard said:
Wait, wait, wait.....I've always heard on news type television programs that America had the most crime than both these countries. I don't know which to believe now. :wacko:
It's a play on words and a fiddle with statistics. Sounds like Amateur hour to me.
 
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What really needs to occur IMO is for states to begin to secede from the Federal gooberment (sic). So far . . . .<crickets>
 

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laid renard said:
Wait, wait, wait.....I've always heard on news type television programs that America had the most crime than both these countries. I don't know which to believe now. :wacko:
If you would read the articles you would understand.

Here is a snippet to help you:

According to the figures released yesterday, 3.6 per cent of the population of England and Wales were victims of violent crime in 1999 - second only to Australia, where the figure was 4.1 per cent.

Scotland had a slightly lower rate of violence, at 3.4 per cent.

In the U.S., only 2 per cent of the population suffered an assault or robbery.

One in 40 people in England and Wales had their cars stolen in 1999, the highest rate in the 17 developed countries examined.

Just one in 200 Americans suffered a car theft while in Japan there was only one per 1,000 of the population.


James Forthwright said:
What really needs to occur IMO is for states to begin to secede from the Federal gooberment (sic). So far . . . .<crickets>
The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession. There is no provision in the Texas Constitution (current or former) that reserves the right of secession, but it does state that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

Both original and current Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Texas and Hawaii are two states that were once recognized as independent nations, before choosing to join the Union. Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave.

Some people claim that the Civil War proved that secession is illegal. Whether one was in favor of the North or the South, all that war actually "proved" is that a state or group of states can be militarily forced to continue being a part of a group. Superior strength does not prove morality or legality as any citizen of the former Soviet Union can attest.

Some people are under the mistaken impression that the US Supreme Court decision in Texas v. White "proved" that secession is unconstitutional. Actually, that decision was not based on any precedent or anything in the Constitution and was in direct conflict with the actions of the then-President Grant who had to sign an act to "re-admit" Texas into the Union and allow them to send Representatives back to Congress. If Texas had never left, as the Court declared, it would not have been required to be "re-admitted" and Grant would not have needed to sign the declaration. This is a conflict that has never been fully cleared up.

Bottom line: There is no law forbidding or allowing secession. If Texas or any other state decides to secede, the resulting peaceful separation or war will depend not on law, but on the will of whomever happens to be Commander-in-Chief at the time.

One can also argue, and constitutional scholars certainly have, that the 'readmission' of Texas to the union did not violate the Supreme Court's decision in Texas vs. White...it was is superfluous, and indeed, did not, in and of itself violate, and was not contrary, to the Texas vs. White ruling. Simply speaking, there was no precedent for handling this situation. The readmission of Texas in early 1870 came just a short few months after Texas vs. White, and Congress and the President did not forsee the long-term implications of the Supreme Court decision. Just like there is no explicit wording in the Constitution forbidding secession, there is no wording in the Constitution specifically outlining the statutory process for the readmission of states.

Because of this, if state's rights proponents continue to argue that a state's right to secede is implied because they joined the union as 'independent states', a strong argument can also be made that an indissoulable union was also implied in the Constitution. Membership in a union does not dimish in importance or totality a state's sovereignity. That's the whole point of federalism. However, it does imply relinquishing some power to the national government. Indeed, federalism is 'shared' power, but it is not 'equal' power, at least in the example of the US. Clearly national dominance was designed into the structure of the Constitution.

from Can Texas secede from the union?

(I don't necessarily agree with the last paragraph)

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Those who don't understand how... the U.S. crime rate figures can be now lower haven't understood what's been going on in their own country vs. those other countries like Britain and Australia. Several years ago the governments in Britain and Australia asked the people to turn in their guns. The majority did.

In the U.S., local governments have made it easier to get concealed handgun carry permits, and many Americans that never thought of carrying a concealed weapon now do, in the majority of the 50 states. Some states have passed legislation honoring the handgun carry permits of other states.

The result? The crimes rates in the U.S. have dropped.

I recall when Florida passed open handgun carry and anti-gun activist Sarah Brady was interviewed on a PBS show like Face The Nation. She was asked what she thought about the crime rate in Florida dropping because of hand carry permits. It was about the time when muggers were attacking folks coming in to Florida and leaving airports. She refused to admit that the crime rate in Florida had gone down, but instead tried to affirm that it went up because of hand carry permit. The show host pulled out the stats to show her that was not true, that the crime rate had indeed gone down.

When New Orleans had a problem with car-hijackers back in those days, the local government made it easier for law-abiding citizens to get concealed handgun carry permits. One citizen stopped at a red light faced a car-jacker and the car-jacker was killed in the process. That ended a lot of the car-jackings in New Orleans.

The fact of the matter is that criminals are not going to abide by guns laws; they are going to go armed regardless. But they want an easy prey, not someone they think will defend theirself. That's why muggers started attacking people at the airports in Florida after getting off airplanes after the carry permit was passed, because they knew those people were not armed.
 

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From The American Conservative - http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/is-secession-legal/


During the Philadelphia Convention of 1787, Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania outlined “the distinction between a federal and a national supreme government; the former being a mere compact resting on the good faith of the parties, the latter having a complete and compulsive operation.” If the Constitution established a federal government, and it did, then the Constitution did not have a “compulsive operation.” In essence, the people of the states in convention could either interpose their sovereignty to arrest the acts of the general government or withdraw from the Union. Morris, a nationalist, recognized that the states still held sway when he suggested that the Constitution be voted on by state and that the states, not a consolidated people, had to ratify the document. The Constitution as ratified in 1787 and 1788 is “a mere compact resting on the good faith of the parties.” That compact can be unilaterally broken at any point by the same people of the States which ratified it.


The checking and controlling influences which afford safety to public liberty, are not to be found in the government itself. The people cannot always protect themselves against their rulers; if they could, no free government, in past times, would have been overthrown. Power and patronage cannot easily be so limited and defined, as to rob them of their corrupting influences over the public mind. It is truly and wisely remarked by the Federalist, that “a power over a man’s subsistence is a power over his will.” As little as possible of this power should be entrusted to the federal government, and even that little should be watched by a power authorized and competent to arrest its abuses. That power can be found only in the states. In this consists the great superiority of the federative system over every other. In that system, the federal government is responsible, not directly to the people en masse, but to the people in their character of distinct political corporations. However easy it may be to steal power from the people, governments do not so readily yield it to one another. The confederated states confer on their common government only such power as they themselves cannot separately exercise, or such as can be better exercised by that government. They have, therefore, an equal interest, to give it power enough, and to prevent it from assuming too much. In their hands the power of interposition is attended with no danger; it may be safely lodged where there is no interest to abuse it.

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Though I don't claim to be a U.S. Constitutional scholar, I think the specific powers enumerated by the U.S. Constitution is plain enough. It enumerates only certain specific powers to the Federal Government, and what it does not give to the Federal branches, the rest of powers remains with the individual States.

It was the individual States that were required to ratify the U.S. Constitution, not a Federal controlling central government. The Federal branch and its powers only came in existence through the ratification of the U.S. Constitution by the individual States. That was Governor Morris' distinction at the Philadelphia Convention of 1787 when the U.S. Constitution was adopted.

President Abraham Lincoln violated his authority by sending federal troops into Virginia in 1861 to start the American Civil War. The only Constitutional authority the Executive branch (the President) is given to make war is by invasion of the U.S. Other than that only U.S. Congress is given Constitutional authority to declare war. He could not ask Congress to declare war upon a State in the Union. And because Lincoln proposed that all the States were an indissolvable part of the Union, he violated his Constitutional authority by invading one of them as if it were a foreign invading country. If he had recognized the State's right to seceed, only then could he have claimed his right to make war against a 'foreign' invader. By Lincoln's acts against the U.S. Constitution in 1861, it made him guilty of treason and tyranny. It was after Lincoln composed a federal army to invade the southern states that those same southern states then began to form their own armies and completed their votes to seceed from the Union. By Lincoln's threats to those States, he revealed his tendency towards tyranny, which had a lot more to do with the start of the American Civil War than did the issue of slavery.

But of course that point is often conveniently left out of our public education systems on American History.


Another problem has been the ratifying of foreign treaties by the Executive branch.

Thomas Jefferson quote:

"I say the same as to the opinion of those who consider the grant of the treaty making power as boundless. If it is, then we have no Constitution." (Thomas Jefferson, a Letter to Wilson Carry Nicholas, The Works of Thomas Jefferson, Setp.7, 1803.)

Alexander Hamilton declared the same:

"The only constitutional except to the power of making treaties is, that it shall not change the Constitution.... On natural principles, a treaty, which should manifestly betray or sacrifice primary interests of the state, would be null." (Alexander Hamilton, The Works of Alexander Hamilton, 1796.)


President Roosevelt in 1941 had to get U.S. Congress to declare war on Japan and the Axis. Then in 1945 and 1947 U.S. representatives signed onto the United Nations treaty, and Congress has never declared war against a foreign country since then, because the U.N. treaty modified the Executive power of the President to declare war alone (so they think). Same thing with signing onto NATO treaties. As a matter of fact, many in U.S. Congress got upset with President Bill Clinton when he sent U.S. troops to war in Bosnia without Congressional approval.

Secretary of State John Foster Dulles was all for ratification of foreign treaties to supercede our U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, as Dwight Eisenhower was also. Senator John Bricker in the 1950's proposed an ammendment (see Bricker Ammendment) that failed by one vote to end this blatant usurping of power of treaty making over the Constitution and Bill of Rights which those like Dulles, Eisenhower, et al, were guilty of.


U.S. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles said:

"Treaties make international law and also they make domestic law. Under our Constitution, treaties become the supreme law of the land.... Treaty law can override the Constitution. Treaties, for example, ...can cut across the rights given the people by their constitutional Bill of Rights." (John Foster Dulles, speaking before the American Bar Association, Louisville, Kentucky, April 11, 1952)

Allen W. Dulles (ex-CIA Director and member of Warren Commisssion, and brother of John Foster) in 1946:

"There is no indication that American public opinion, for example, would approve the establishment of a super state, or permit American membership in it. In other words, time - a long time - will be needed before world government is politically feasible... This time element might seemingly be shortened so far as American opinion is concerned by an active propaganda campaign in this country..." (Allen W. Dulles, UN booklet, Headline Series #59, New York: The Foreign Policy Association., Sept.-Oct., 1946, pg 46.) (my emphasis in bold)


We do not have to become political activists to write our Senators and Congressmen to take action towards enforcement of our U.S. Constitution against the modern tyrannts sided with those like the Dulles brothers. But it is important for us to understand what those tyrannts have been doing against our U.S. Constitution and the people of the United States of America.