he's certainly more popular than Jesus and the apostles were in their life on earth, but is that a good sign?He certainly isn't preaching what they preached about the need to get baptised and receive the Spirit and how it is known when people receive, so maybe I shouldn't compare him with them.
What do you think of Billy Graham?
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Billy Graham has led many to the door of salvation-Jesus Christ.I have heard that one of his sons believes in the manifestation of the spirit.
Lets put it this way, he started out on the right track, but as he got more fame, and more money, he began to let the media influence him into backing down on certain topics that he used to believe in strongly. He has just become one more of those media driven political preachers who do not stand up against sin, but rather preach a prosperity gospel to avoid offending anyone who might be living in sin.I don't care much for him.
Billy Graham is a fool. He is leading so many innocent souls astray. I remember hearing it from him on Youtube saying "I believe that Jesus is not the only way to Heaven"So do I trust him? Nay.
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Billy Graham is a fool. He is leading so many innocent souls astray. I remember hearing it from him on Youtube saying "I believe that Jesus is not the only way to Heaven"So do I trust him? Nay.
I agree Jordan. When men preach the gospel like he does, it damns many souls to hell because they are convinced of a lie, and they go to their grave thinking they have salvation when they really don't.
Billy Graham is a fool. He is leading so many innocent souls astray. I remember hearing it from him on Youtube saying "I believe that Jesus is not the only way to Heaven"So do I trust him? Nay.
I agree Jordan. When men preach the gospel like he does, it damns many souls to hell because they are convinced of a lie, and they go to their grave thinking they have salvation when they really don't.
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I'm 49 now, but I grew up in an Evangelical Congregational church in Allentown Pa (the church is no longer there). On a scale from 1-10 with 1 being most liberal and 10 being very fundamental and 5 in the middle, I'd say we were about a 7. Billy Graham was our church's pet evangelist so-to-speak. Other churches liked Falwell, or Swaggert or whoever else, but I remember a lot of Billy Graham being pushed in our church.However, as it was pointed out, I could see that he was becoming more and more compromising as the years went by. He once sounded tougher, but seemed too milk toast now. That's how doctrinal error starts to creep in. But, although I haven't watched him in ages (not even his historical sermons), I still have fond memories. It's sad he went the way he did.
I agree with Soldier, Tim and Jordan It reminds me of the verse we discussed the other day "many are called few are chosen" I believe he was truly called once but lost his way
I know, and that is a shame. You find many men and kings in the Bible that were the same way though. They started out good and strong, and then later in life got off track. Thank God some repented and got right, but some never did. It reminds me of a thing I heard once. It was the terrible cycle that ruins alot of men. Here it is:Being on fire for God, and having Gods touch on you leads to fame - Fame leads to riches - Riches leads to straying away from God.So, many great men are taken in this cycle, and we lose them. As one wise man once said about life, "Simplify, Simplify, Simplify."
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You know what else I thought? Even if men started off strong for the Lord and then ended the way they did, maybe the end result proves what they really were all along. Even the power of the flesh can appear very righteous and agrees with the Lord, but deep down, there is always that selfish element in such a following and at the end it shows itself for what it is. The "real thing" on the other hand will manifest himself as true until their dying day.This is why I simply trust the Lord for forgiveness, salvation, eternal life and for His purpose. I can't trust myself and wrestle with this all the time. But it's best to let things be and to the Lord---- I can't do anything on my own power anyway, but deep down some of these great people may feel that they can.
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I agree with Soldier, Tim and Jordan It reminds me of the verse we discussed the other day "many are called few are chosen" I believe he was truly called once but lost his way
I agree as it reminds me also of this verse. ...after you mention that.
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You know what else I thought? Even if men started off strong for the Lord and then ended the way they did, maybe the end result proves what they really were all along. Even the power of the flesh can appear very righteous and agrees with the Lord, but deep down, there is always that selfish element in such a following and at the end it shows itself for what it is. The "real thing" on the other hand will manifest himself as true until their dying day.This is why I simply trust the Lord for forgiveness, salvation, eternal life and for His purpose. I can't trust myself and wrestle with this all the time. But it's best to let things be and to the Lord---- I can't do anything on my own power anyway, but deep down some of these great people may feel that they can.
I can never trust myself at all anytime. And you're right, we have to trust in Him for forgivessness, forgiveness, salvation, eternal life and for His purpose. In fact, I even am having a hard time listening to someone...(SoldierforChrist;59439)
Lets put it this way, he started out on the right track, but as he got more fame, and more money, he began to let the media influence him into backing down on certain topics that he used to believe in strongly. He has just become one more of those media driven political preachers who do not stand up against sin, but rather preach a prosperity gospel to avoid offending anyone who might be living in sin.I don't care much for him.
At least thank God that not all has taken that aweful cycle. In fact, it's not even working on and for me.
I agree with Soldier, Tim and Jordan It reminds me of the verse we discussed the other day "many are called few are chosen" I believe he was truly called once but lost his way
I agree as it reminds me also of this verse. ...after you mention that.
You know what else I thought? Even if men started off strong for the Lord and then ended the way they did, maybe the end result proves what they really were all along. Even the power of the flesh can appear very righteous and agrees with the Lord, but deep down, there is always that selfish element in such a following and at the end it shows itself for what it is. The "real thing" on the other hand will manifest himself as true until their dying day.This is why I simply trust the Lord for forgiveness, salvation, eternal life and for His purpose. I can't trust myself and wrestle with this all the time. But it's best to let things be and to the Lord---- I can't do anything on my own power anyway, but deep down some of these great people may feel that they can.
I can never trust myself at all anytime. And you're right, we have to trust in Him for forgivessness, forgiveness, salvation, eternal life and for His purpose. In fact, I even am having a hard time listening to someone...(SoldierforChrist;59439)
Lets put it this way, he started out on the right track, but as he got more fame, and more money, he began to let the media influence him into backing down on certain topics that he used to believe in strongly. He has just become one more of those media driven political preachers who do not stand up against sin, but rather preach a prosperity gospel to avoid offending anyone who might be living in sin.I don't care much for him.
At least thank God that not all has taken that aweful cycle. In fact, it's not even working on and for me.
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At least thank God that not all has taken that aweful cycle. In fact, it's not even working on and for me.
Yes I am glad that many haven't as well. There are still some strong Soldiers for Christ.
At least thank God that not all has taken that aweful cycle. In fact, it's not even working on and for me.
Yes I am glad that many haven't as well. There are still some strong Soldiers for Christ.
Billy Graham is a terrific personality. I saw one of his crusades in Paris, France. He is a spellbinder, and his theology is sound. He has brought many people to Christ, who otherwise would never have had the opportunity. Sometimes, God uses celebrity in His work. Good.I am very interested in seeing the new film about the early years of Billy Graham. The film was made without the approval of Mr. Graham
Billy Graham is a nice man who has accomplished much, it will be interesting to see what evangelists will rise up to fill his shoes.
In regards to the last two posts:Unfortunately mane lives are full of good intentions, but if you are not in line with God and the Bible, then good intentions will not get you very far. It reminds me of the verse in the bible that says:Mathew 7:21-2321Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
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In regards to the last two posts:Unfortunately mane lives are full of good intentions, but if you are not in line with God and the Bible, then good intentions will not get you very far. It reminds me of the verse in the bible that says:Mathew 7:22-2322Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
In regards to the last two posts:Unfortunately mane lives are full of good intentions, but if you are not in line with God and the Bible, then good intentions will not get you very far. It reminds me of the verse in the bible that says:Mathew 7:22-2322Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Great verse! Can't believe I left that one out! lol. I will add it in. Thanks Jordan.
Matthew 7:21 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Great verse! Can't believe I left that one out! lol. I will add it in. Thanks Jordan.
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I believe Billy Graham will hear the words: Mat 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy Lord. He has fulfilled his call of being an evangelist and will wear a crown for the many people he lead to the Lord. My father-in-law was one of them.
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I believe Billy Graham will hear the words: Mat 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy Lord. He has fulfilled his call of being an evangelist and will wear a crown for the many people he lead to the Lord. My father-in-law was one of them.
I completely disagree with you Tom Webster. He is a fool. He said it on Youtube, that he (Billy Graham) doesn't believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only way for salvation / heaven etc. Denies that Jesus Christ only way to the Father.
I believe Billy Graham will hear the words: Mat 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy Lord. He has fulfilled his call of being an evangelist and will wear a crown for the many people he lead to the Lord. My father-in-law was one of them.
I completely disagree with you Tom Webster. He is a fool. He said it on Youtube, that he (Billy Graham) doesn't believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only way for salvation / heaven etc. Denies that Jesus Christ only way to the Father.
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I completely disagree with you Tom Webster. He is a fool. He said it on Youtube, that he (Billy Graham) doesn't believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only way for salvation / heaven etc. Denies that Jesus Christ only way to the Father.
Well, Jordan, like I stated earlier in my post, I think he was once a good man gone awry. It's possible that he once had the truth and then softened up. I see that in a lot of people as they get older. So perhaps Tom Webster is correct.I had pastor that once said that unless one is saved, they cannot lead others to Christ. I disagree. I realize this may sound like a house divided against itself, but consider this as well--- even Balaam's donkey corrected a prophet and spoke the Word of the Lord. Can a donkey be saved? Not the way we know salvation.
I completely disagree with you Tom Webster. He is a fool. He said it on Youtube, that he (Billy Graham) doesn't believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only way for salvation / heaven etc. Denies that Jesus Christ only way to the Father.
Well, Jordan, like I stated earlier in my post, I think he was once a good man gone awry. It's possible that he once had the truth and then softened up. I see that in a lot of people as they get older. So perhaps Tom Webster is correct.I had pastor that once said that unless one is saved, they cannot lead others to Christ. I disagree. I realize this may sound like a house divided against itself, but consider this as well--- even Balaam's donkey corrected a prophet and spoke the Word of the Lord. Can a donkey be saved? Not the way we know salvation.
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I completely disagree with you Tom Webster. He is a fool. He said it on Youtube, that he (Billy Graham) doesn't believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only way for salvation / heaven etc. Denies that Jesus Christ only way to the Father.
Well, Jordan, like I stated earlier in my post, I think he was once a good man gone awry. It's possible that he once had the truth and then softened up. I see that in a lot of people as they get older. So perhaps Tom Webster is correct.I had pastor that once said that unless one is saved, they cannot lead others to Christ. I disagree. I realize this may sound like a house divided against itself, but consider this as well--- even Balaam's donkey corrected a prophet and spoke the Word of the Lord. Can a donkey be saved? Not the way we know salvation.Ok, ok, ok, but seriously, even at old age, should we allow ourselves to be so softened, that it might cause us to be in trouble with the Lord? I don't know about you, but I don't want to get into trouble with my God, and my Lord.
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I completely disagree with you Tom Webster. He is a fool. He said it on Youtube, that he (Billy Graham) doesn't believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only way for salvation / heaven etc. Denies that Jesus Christ only way to the Father.
Well, Jordan, like I stated earlier in my post, I think he was once a good man gone awry. It's possible that he once had the truth and then softened up. I see that in a lot of people as they get older. So perhaps Tom Webster is correct.I had pastor that once said that unless one is saved, they cannot lead others to Christ. I disagree. I realize this may sound like a house divided against itself, but consider this as well--- even Balaam's donkey corrected a prophet and spoke the Word of the Lord. Can a donkey be saved? Not the way we know salvation.Ok, ok, ok, but seriously, even at old age, should we allow ourselves to be so softened, that it might cause us to be in trouble with the Lord? I don't know about you, but I don't want to get into trouble with my God, and my Lord.
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