What Does it Mean…..?

[Aunty Jane]

Those with reborn spiritual senses and not just physical and mental senses: ears to hear and understand in spirit, and eyes to see and know and experience in spirit.

@JustMe made this post on another thread and some deemed the subject to be worthy of a thread of its own….

So in answer to JustMe I asked……

Can you tell us how it is that all who claim these “senses” with “eyes” and “ears” of understanding…and with “experiences in spirit”, do not all hold to the same beliefs?

If one is “born again”……how do they know? And how can they be found in the realm of Christendom, if they cannot agree on many things? (1 Cor 1:10) Does God’s spirit divide people? Or does it unite them…..?

If this “spiritual” experience is not uniform across all denominations then, can it be from God…..or can it more likely be from the trickster who wants you to believe in an “experience” that not all can quite explain the purpose of?

Why do Christians need to be “born again”? What does it result in?

How would you answer? With Scripture of course….

 

[quietthinker]

@JustMe made this post on another thread and some deemed the subject to be worthy of a thread of its own….

So in answer to JustMe I asked……

Can you tell us how it is that all who claim these “senses” with “eyes” and “ears” of understanding…and with “experiences in spirit”, do not all hold to the same beliefs?

If one is “born again”……how do they know? And how can they be found in the realm of Christendom, if they cannot agree on many things? (1 Cor 1:10) Does God’s spirit divide people? Or does it unite them…..?

If this “spiritual” experience is not uniform across all denominations then, can it be from God…..or can it more likely be from the trickster who wants you to believe in an “experience” that not all can quite explain the purpose of?

Why do Christians need to be “born again”? What does it result in?

How would you answer? With Scripture of course….

Why do you want an answer with scripture AJ? It doesn't appear to make any difference to your perspective.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Why do you want an answer with scripture AJ? It doesn't appear to make any difference to your perspective.

Because without Scripture it is personal opinion…..and what is that worth?

How many opinions = truth? It is belief without substance.

 

[quietthinker]

Because without Scripture it is personal opinion…..and what is that worth?

How many opinions = truth? It is belief without substance.

Are you really interested in Truth or do you only want to justify what you think you understand?

 

[nedsk]

@JustMe made this post on another thread and some deemed the subject to be worthy of a thread of its own….

So in answer to JustMe I asked……

Can you tell us how it is that all who claim these “senses” with “eyes” and “ears” of understanding…and with “experiences in spirit”, do not all hold to the same beliefs?

If one is “born again”……how do they know? And how can they be found in the realm of Christendom, if they cannot agree on many things? (1 Cor 1:10) Does God’s spirit divide people? Or does it unite them…..?

If this “spiritual” experience is not uniform across all denominations then, can it be from God…..or can it more likely be from the trickster who wants you to believe in an “experience” that not all can quite explain the purpose of?

Why do Christians need to be “born again”? What does it result in?

How would you answer? With Scripture of course….

I think the argument might hinge on 2 Corinthians 5:17, Consequently anyone united to Christ is a new creation. The old order has passed away. Behold, all has become new.

I guess you could describe that as born again but is that really what it means?

Now Nicodemus uses the phrase born again John 3:4. Jesus uses the phrases, born from above and born of the Spirit. Again I'm not sure it's the same thing.

There are likely others but again not sure they mean "born again".

 

[ScottA]

@JustMe made this post on another thread and some deemed the subject to be worthy of a thread of its own….

So in answer to JustMe I asked……

Can you tell us how it is that all who claim these “senses” with “eyes” and “ears” of understanding…and with “experiences in spirit”, do not all hold to the same beliefs?

If one is “born again”……how do they know? And how can they be found in the realm of Christendom, if they cannot agree on many things? (1 Cor 1:10) Does God’s spirit divide people? Or does it unite them…..?

If this “spiritual” experience is not uniform across all denominations then, can it be from God…..or can it more likely be from the trickster who wants you to believe in an “experience” that not all can quite explain the purpose of?

Why do Christians need to be “born again”? What does it result in?

How would you answer? With Scripture of course….

It is written, "But now indeed there are many members, yet one body" (1 Corinthians 12:20).

Okay--there's some scripture for you. But in light of this being about differences existing under the same One Spirit, I may not always be so obvious.

Those born again, as it is also written, "have passed from death to life", an experience leaving one no doubt about the change. And yet we live in a strange time. This passing from death to life everlasting while remaining in a physical body still under the curse of sin and death--this is something new (since Pentecost) and unique. During these unique times, things are different than one might expect. Yes, we will all be all-knowledgeable--but not yet, not while we under what Paul referred to as "alive but remaining"--in the flesh, in our old bodies, and in the world--as I just said. Those are limiting factors. Which...as it is also written, we all do not presently have all spiritual gifts, but only "some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers", etc,

So...don't be offended. Things are as they are meant to be.

 

[Behold]

@JustMe made this post on another thread and some deemed the subject to be worthy of a thread of its own….

If one is “born again”……how do they know?

I can show you many things, but i'll keep it fairly short.

The way you know you are born again...and NOT just "i was always going to church"........."brought up in church"... "Yeah i was water baptised"........ect, ect.........

Its because Jesus now lives on the inside of a Christian , and He wasn't in them when they were just Religious and water baptized and lost, or when they were just sinning and loving it, as their lifestyle.

And a person says...>>"well, how can you know you are saved".

We know it, because of the change in our conscience.......first of all, that is so, unique.
And what is that?

= A born again person, has been forgiven all sin, and they are now united spiritually with Holy God and Jesus The Christ...
This means that they are become ""the Temple of the Holy Spirit"......as "Christ in You, the hope of Glory".

("Those that have not the Spirit of God in them, are none of God's"....)

So, this spiritual union... has an instant and strong strong effect on the Conscience within a born again person.....whereby the best way to understand it...is they become very sin sensitive.....and they never were before, when they loved sin and sinning.

So, what has happened?

A.) The Holy Spirit has moved in, and He is engaged at all times within the conscience of a Born again Christian, (unless you totally quench Him)..... so, as HE is very sensitive to SIN.....this causes the CHRISTian to be the same.
A Christian......especially a new one.......will "see sin everywhere".....because they have become so sensitized to sin because of the Holy Spirit in them.
They will now see sin in a TV show where they never saw it before. They will hear sin it in a song they like, where they never discerned it before, and on and on this "sin sensitivity".. just keeps going and going....and revealing and revealing all your born again life.

There is also....most of the time (especially in a New Christian)....a NEW and strong desire to "tell others about Jesus""...about what has happened to you..the CHANGE in you, that is undeniable.....that the Family has noticed, that the Friends have noticed, that your unsaved MATE has noticed.... and that the person themselves has realized as their new reality.

See, being born again, as a 'NEW CREATION">....is exactly that.......exactly.

And then there is this..... When a Person has been born again for 10 yrs, 20, 50yrs....they will tell you..."when i look back on what i use to be, and how God changed Me"........ "When i see all the ways that God guided me all these years"...
Every Chrisitan can "look back" and see GOD doing things in their life....and they know it was God.
Sometimes they realize that God didnt answer a prayer that had He perfomed it, it would have ruined their life.
They KNOW it........because it was God all the time., and is... and remains so.

And how can they be found in the realm of Christendom, if they cannot agree on many things?

There is only one NT Theology that is "chruch doctrine"' and Paul teaches it.
Any other is not correct for the "body of Christ"......So, when you have so many false doctrines, and fake churches......that are not built on Paul's Doctrine for The Church, then this is only going to clash and cause continuing strife.
This is why a "christain forum" is just , unfortunatley a place to fight.....and that is because ... "what is Paul's Doctrine".......is the core issue.. Its the root of all the theological strife.........because so few Chritians are taught Paul's doctrine.....in these end times..
Paul's doctrine ends cults, and reveals fake believers.......as His Doctrine completely shines The CROSS on YOU.

Reader......There is a "famine of the word of God"...... and that famine is......."What is Paul's Doctrine". ????????? "Huh'? "whats that". ?

So, there is no unity of the Faith. until that is resolved., and then as Paul teaches.......All have come into "one mind" as "as many as be perfect."

Philippians 2:2. "by being OF THE Same MIND"... which is the SAME THEOLOGY-Doctrine, the SAME Revelation, the same walk of faith.
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