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1Co 15:50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,

You must be Born again..... Possibly the Ressurection or changed when He returns. Jesus is the First Born from the Dead... Was He was born again?

Just a thought

Christ ( the Seed of God, the Power of God…)was Never Born, but was Revealed…

Gods Word, Jesus was Revealed, (or stretching / Born) the First time God Ever Spoke.

Gods Son, was A Declarative Title, Revealed IN a Body, God “Prepared” (with bones, flesh, blood) for human men TO SEE, hear, smell, touch.

Glory to God,
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What does this term "born again" mean to you?
Born again means God's Spirit lives in you- you are now a child born of God. It's redundant to say Born again Christian. All are. If we don't have the Spirit how can we belong to Him? Christ in us- It's not anything we can do ourselves. It's God's gift that comes by faith in Jesus.
Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 1 Jo 5:1
We are first born of the flesh and then spiritually reborn by God thru Christ. We were dead in our sins and now made alive. Eph 2:5
And how can you be sure you are "born again"?
It's not by what we do but God does. I think you just know. The Spirit speaking to you is one indicator. He guides, convicts, encourages, warns, reminds, protects and teaches us.. We walk in newness of life.- being changed as we go. The way we think begins to transform and what we want to do also changes. We can fight against this but it's not recommended.
How does "water and spirit" apply to your understanding of being born again?
We are first born by water-the flesh- then born anew again by God who gives us His Spirit. It is for all believers.
The term comes from the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus in John 3. What do you make of the fact that the rest of the chapter, immediately aftet this conversation, is focused on baptism?
Well, I think Romans chapter 6 is a beautiful picture of what it means to be born again.-and Paul does equate it with baptism there in a visual. We die to sin and walk anew. We die and go down under water (buried) and are raised up with Christ- I know people disagree with that but it's what Paul wrote.
I did not notice a difference at water baptism, although I know some people who did for sure. For me, the knowing - that came later. I don't think it is always exactly the same way for everyone, but to know is likely similar.
Just look at Acts- it wasn't always the same exact way.
There are different gifts but the same Spirit. You can pray for different gifts. Pray about all things. I don't think you always necessarily know immediately. I can only speak to myself and a few others. I also don't involve myself over the semantics of it all. I only know it is of God, and not from me. When the spirit is in control- there wont be bickering and nastiness. That's our flesh and we do battle. It's not something I have perfected. Sometimes, I know and sometimes it seems the Spirit left me for a time- but returns. It does seem to be like the wind in that way- I know He doesn't leave me totally but it feels that way sometimes. I am probably not the right one to answer this. I don't have the hang of it all. I only can say for sure that you do know when you know. When I take time to draw close to Him- He is there. Many days I fail to take the time and He is still there while other days I feel alone. Sorry if that's confusing. I'm a work in progress.
On occasion I have felt an extra fill of the Spirit and those were times when I was suddenly moved to give the gospel to someone. It's as if He carries me. I don't fight it. Once I speak the words- it's gone.
 

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Christ ( the Seed of God, the Power of God…)was Never Born, but was Revealed…

Gods Word, Jesus was Revealed, (or stretching / Born) the First time God Ever Spoke.

Gods Son, was A Declarative Title, Revealed IN a Body, God “Prepared” (with bones, flesh, blood) for human men TO SEE, hear, smell, touch.

Glory to God,
Taken
Mat 1:16 Jacob was the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah.

Mat 2:1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying,

Mat 2:2 "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."

Luk 2:11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

I must have been mistaken.....
 

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Mat 1:16 Jacob was the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, by whom Jesus was born, who is called the Messiah.

Mat 2:1 Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying,

Mat 2:2 "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."

Luk 2:11 for today in the city of David there has been born for you a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,

I must have been mistaken.....

God IS a Spirit, without Beginning or Ending.
Angels ARE Spirits.
Humans HAVE a spirit.

God, Angels Have the POWER to “Appear” to human men IN ANY “Likeness”…
A human, an animal, a bush, a ghost, an alien…

Outer “Appearance” isn’t always what it “seems”… Angels appear to humans and the humans (unaware They are angels).

Men Appear as women, but are not what they APPEAR to be.

Glory to God,
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God IS a Spirit, without Beginning or Ending.
Angels ARE Spirits.
Humans HAVE a spirit.

God, Angels Have the POWER to “Appear” to human men IN ANY “Likeness”…
A human, an animal, a bush, a ghost, an alien…

Outer “Appearance” isn’t always what it “seems”… Angels appear to humans and the humans (unaware They are angels).

Men Appear as women, but are not what they APPEAR to be.

Glory to God,
Taken
Ok, so Jesus appeared as a baby, toddler, teenager, young adult, and then appeared to have died on the cross? That's how you read?
 

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The Holy Spirit is given to believers now as the beginning of God's work. He teaches, convicts, strengthens, and helps us obey Jesus, but we still struggle because our mortal nature remains. The complete fulfillment of Ezekiel 36, where God's people naturally and perfectly walk in His statutes, appears to belong to the Kingdom after Christ returns, when our hearts and even our bodies are fully transformed. At that time God's will shall truly be done on earth as it is in heaven, and His people will obey Him without the weakness of the flesh.

Jesus promised that the Holy Spirit would come to guide His followers into the truth, not to replace His teachings but to help them understand and live them. Even so, Jesus also recognized the present weakness of our human nature when He said, “The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.” (Matthew 26:41). Every believer knows this struggle. We desire to obey God, yet we still battle temptation, weakness, and the limitations of our mortal bodies.
In John 15:3-4 what do you think is "clean"? Here is 1-4 for context.

“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me."

When Jesus said, "The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak" was this before or after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit?

When Paul said in Romans 6:5-7 5 "For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin." What is the "old man that was crucified with Christ?

"The complete fulfillment of Ezekiel 36, where God's people naturally and perfectly walk in His statutes," is NOW. Romans 8:9 "But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His."

So think again.
 

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Ok, so Jesus appeared as a baby, toddler, teenager, young adult, and then appeared to have died on the cross? That's how you read?

How I read “IT”… God in Heaven “PREPARED” a Body for His Word, For WHEN His Word would Come into THIS World.

And THAT “Prepared Body”… was INTENDED TO AND DID Become Dead, Buried for 3 days and THEN Risen Up Alive…Then 40 days later Return to Heaven.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

God came humbled, in a Body men could, see, hear, smell, touch…
A Body in the Likeness as men… to Teach men How to Become “converted into the Likeness as God”.

Glory to God,
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God IS a Spirit, without Beginning or Ending.
Angels ARE Spirits.
Humans HAVE a spirit.

God, Angels Have the POWER to “Appear” to human men IN ANY “Likeness”…
A human, an animal, a bush, a ghost, an alien…

Outer “Appearance” isn’t always what it “seems”… Angels appear to humans and the humans (unaware They are angels).

Men Appear as women, but are not what they APPEAR to be.

Glory to God,
Taken
lets look at that men appear as women , but are not what they appear to be .
Some folks long ago grew up watching shows like Wonder woman
and now one has to wonder if it really is a woman . Very very sad days indeed .
 
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How I read “IT”… God in Heaven “PREPARED” a Body for His Word, For WHEN His Word would Come into THIS World.

And THAT “Prepared Body”… was INTENDED TO AND DID Become Dead, Buried for 3 days and THEN Risen Up Alive…Then 40 days later Return to Heaven.

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

God came humbled, in a Body men could, see, hear, smell, touch…
A Body in the Likeness as men… to Teach men How to Become “converted into the Likeness as God”.

Glory to God,
Taken
that last sentence needs some surgery cause it soundy way to new age christ maietrya to me .
Yes its true The word who was with GOD and was GOD
did take on human form . To pay the price of sins , would be ressurected
and all who do b eleive would be saved . and yes BY the SPIRIT we do have this divine nature .
BUT mark my words well , JESUS didnt have to b ecome god , he didnt come to show us how to progess into god
and etc .
Course i aint saying you SAID THAT . But i would like to hear a lil more gospel with that DIRE REMINDER
of THE DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON THIS JESUS CHRIST .
WHY , cause i am seeing lots of christains buying a lie of an anti christ .
And that lie says ALL religons be coming to GOD , that in fact we all worship the same GOD in diverse differing ways .
A LIE OF ANTI CHRIST of course , but you would marvel at how many
are buying this ECUMENICAL mother of harlots and her interfaith interreligious dialogue of anti christ . do be encouraged now .
 

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John 3:6 also said that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. No water tank involved.

You appear to be dismissing what Christ said in the verse before that.

John 3:5
Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit

So water is actually very much involved
 

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When Jesus told Nicodemus, “Except one be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:5-6), He was speaking to a teacher of Israel who was expected to understand the Scriptures. Jesus even asked him, “Art thou the teacher of Israel, and understandest not these things?” (John 3:10). This tells us that the meaning of being born of water and the Spirit was already revealed in the Old Testament.

The clearest background is found in God's promise through Ezekiel: “And I will sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you... and I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes.” (Ezekiel 36:25-27). Here, the clean water represents God's cleansing from sin, followed by the giving of a new heart and His Spirit. This closely matches Jesus' words about being born of water and the Spirit, showing that He was speaking of an inward cleansing and renewal performed by God.

The Old Testament also connects water with the life that comes from God. Through Isaiah, God promised, “For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and streams upon the dry ground; I will pour my Spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring.” (Isaiah 44:3). Here again, water and God's Spirit are joined together as pictures of spiritual renewal and life.

Jesus continued this same teaching when He spoke of the living water. To the Samaritan woman He said, “Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a well of water springing up unto eternal life.” (John 4:14). Jesus was clearly not speaking about ordinary water, but about the life that He gives from God, leading to eternal life.

Later, during the Feast of Tabernacles, Jesus cried out, “If any man thirst, let him come unto me and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, from within him shall flow rivers of living water.” (John 7:37-38). John immediately explains what Jesus meant: “But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive.” (John 7:39). Jesus Himself therefore connects living water with the Holy Spirit.

Jesus also explained that His own words bring cleansing when He told His disciples, “Already ye are clean because of the word which I have spoken unto you.” (John 15:3). In His prayer to the Father He said, “Sanctify them in the truth: thy word is truth.” (John 17:17). God's truth cleanses the heart of the one who receives it with faith and obedience.

Before Jesus began His ministry, John the Baptist called the people to repentance through baptism with water. The water itself did not remove sin, but it was an outward sign of an inward turning to God. Jesus Himself was baptized, not because He needed cleansing, but to fulfill all righteousness. This shows that water was connected with repentance and preparation for the work of God in the heart.

Some have suggested that the water in John 3 refers to natural birth because a baby is born surrounded by fluid. However, there is no Old Testament passage that uses water in this way, and Jesus expected Nicodemus to understand His words from the Scriptures. The prophecies of Ezekiel and Isaiah provide that foundation, and Jesus' own teaching about living water confirms it.

When Jesus continued by saying, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”(John 3:6), He was contrasting natural human life with the new spiritual life that comes from God. Entering the Kingdom of God requires more than physical birth. It requires God to cleanse a person from sin, give that person a new heart, and place His Spirit within them so they can walk in His ways.

Taken together, the Old Testament and the words of Jesus show that being born of water and the Spirit is the work of God by which He cleanses a person from sin, renews the heart, and gives new spiritual life. The water is not ordinary water, but the cleansing and life that God promised in the Scriptures and that Jesus later called the living water. It is the fulfillment of God's promise to make His people clean, to satisfy their spiritual thirst, and to put His Spirit within them so they may have eternal life and walk in His commandments.

Thanks for that explanation. You made some good points worth considering.
It appears to confirms the ancient interpretation of being born again, that the water spoken about is surely baptismal water and certainly not the amniotic fluid of birth which is not water at all.
 
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We are first born by water-the flesh- then born anew again by God who gives us His Spirit. It is for all believers.

Actually we are born by amniotic fluid.
It's not water at all.
Jesus is wise and it's highly improbable that he would get water and amniotic fluid mixed up.
 
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Well, I think Romans chapter 6 is a beautiful picture of what it means to be born again.-and Paul does equate it with baptism there in a visual. We die to sin and walk anew. We die and go down under water (buried) and are raised up with Christ- I know people disagree with that but it's what Paul wrote

You make a good point there

Romans 6:3-4
Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject, you made some good points worth considering
 
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You appear to be dismissing what Christ said in the verse before that.

John 3:5
Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit

So water is actually very much involved
What did Nicodemus think and say when Jesus said to him "you must be born again"? John 3:4 - "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" John 3:5 -Most assuredly, I say to your, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.. John 3::6 - that which is born of flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The whole purpose of the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus was being reborn from above, not water baptism. Jesus did not say get immersed in water. Jesus said Born of water, got it? How can you be Born of water? Only from the Mother.
 
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lets look at that men appear as women , but are not what they appear to be .
Some folks long ago grew up watching shows like Wonder woman
and now one has to wonder if it really is a woman . Very very sad days indeed .

Wondering if an entertainment character called Wonder Woman was or was not a Woman…is not an issue for me to wonder about or be saddened.
 

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that last sentence needs some surgery cause it soundy way to new age christ maietrya to me .
Yes its true The word who was with GOD and was GOD
did take on human form .

You agreed with my point….
But think I should consider using “your words” to speak for myself.

No.
 

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Wondering if an entertainment character called Wonder Woman was or was not a Woman…is not an issue for me to wonder about or be saddened.
Better check under the hood, Amigo, JUST to be sure.

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What does this term "born again" mean to you?

And how can you be sure you are "born again"?

How does "water and spirit" apply to your understanding of being born again?

The term comes from the conversation between Jesus and Nicodemus in John 3. What do you make of the fact that the rest of the chapter, immediately aftet this conversation, is focused on baptism?

When Jesus spoke to Nicodemus in John 3, He was not introducing a new religious ceremony but revealing a spiritual reality that every person must experience if they are to enter the kingdom of God.

Jesus said "Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3
Nicodemus immediately thought in physical terms, asking how a grown man could enter his mother's womb a second time. Jesus gently corrected him by explaining that He was speaking of a birth that is spiritual, not physical.

Continued: "Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:5-6

The contrast throughout the passage is between natural birth and spiritual birth. We are all born into this world physically, but no one enters God's kingdom apart from the work of the Holy Spirit. The new birth is not something we accomplish ourselves. It is the work of God within us. This truth is repeated throughout the New Testament.

Paul writes: "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost." Titus 3:5

Peter says: "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God." 1 Peter 1:23

The new birth is God's gracious act of giving spiritual life to those who place their faith in Jesus Christ. It is not simply turning over a new leaf, joining a church, or becoming more religious. It is receiving a new heart and a new life.

So how can someone know they have been born again? The Bible points to both faith and fruit.

A person who has been born again believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and trusts Him for salvation. They have turned to Him in repentance, not trusting in their own goodness or religious works. Along with this faith comes a changed heart. While believers are not instantly perfected, there is a growing desire to obey God, love Him, love fellow believers, and turn away from sin. The Holy Spirit begins producing His fruit within them Galatians 5:22–23. As Paul says:

"If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17
This transformation is not the basis of salvation but the evidence of it.

What, then, does Jesus mean by being born "of water and of the Spirit"?

Faithful Christians have understood these words in different ways. Some understand "water" to refer to Christian baptism. Others understand it as referring to physical birth. Another view, which many find compelling, connects Jesus' words with God's promise in Ezekiel:

"Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean... A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you... and I will put my Spirit within you." Ezekiel 36:25-27

This prophecy brings together cleansing with water and the gift of God's Spirit. Since Jesus expected Nicodemus, "the teacher of Israel," to understand what He was saying John 3:10, it seems likely that He was pointing him back to these Old Testament promises of inward cleansing and spiritual renewal.

Immediately after this conversation, John's Gospel tells us that Jesus and his disciples went into the countryside, where people were being baptized John 3:22. That naturally raises the question of whether baptism itself is the new birth.

The New Testament presents baptism as deeply important. Jesus commanded his followers to be baptized. The apostles baptized those who believed. Baptism is the public confession that a believer has identified with Christ in his death, burial, and resurrection Romans 6:3-4
It is an act of obedience that should never be neglected or treated lightly.

At the same time, John's Gospel consistently emphasizes that eternal life is received through believing in Jesus Christ.

Only a few verses after speaking with Nicodemus, Jesus says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16

Continued: "He that believeth on him is not condemned." John 3:18 And again, "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life." John 3:36. Throughout John's Gospel, believing in Christ is presented as the means by which we receive eternal life. Baptism follows as the obedient response of those who have believed.

The book of Acts reflects this same pattern. People heard the gospel, believed in Jesus Christ, and were then baptized as a public declaration of their faith. Baptism was never presented as an optional extra, but neither was it separated from faith in Christ.

The new birth, therefore, is far more than an outward act. It is the miracle of God bringing a spiritually dead sinner to life through the work of the Holy Spirit. Baptism beautifully testifies to that inward reality, but it is the Holy Spirit who gives life.

Jesus compared the Spirit's work to the wind: "The wind bloweth where it listeth... so is every one that is born of the Spirit." John 3:8
We cannot control the wind, but we see its effects. In the same way, we cannot manufacture the new birth, but where the Holy Spirit has given new life, its evidence will become visible in a person's faith, love, obedience, and growing likeness to Christ.

That is why Jesus did not tell Nicodemus merely to become more religious. He told him something far more profound:

"Ye must be born again." John 3:7

That remains the heart of the gospel today.
 
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