What does it mean?

[faithhopecharity]

The reference to "patience" is that of waiting--perhaps for a lifetime--which is allotted to us all for our salvation. Because this life of suffering is unto our death, appointed to us for having been born of the lineage of sin since Adam. Which indeed takes patience to endure.


The promise of salvation and eternal life comes to those who believe and consequently are born again of the spirit of God. Which may come at any time in this life where we see God in part. But when this is all over, then we shall see Him face to face, as a child truely seeing the face of their father for the first time.


It means Jesus has come to save us from the burdens we experience of sin and death. If we join with Him, believing that God our Father sent Him, He will walk with us through the rest of this life and escort us out from under the curse that came upon humanity because of the original sin from which we became children. The rest refers to the rest of God, which is life without any burden such as we now know and experience in this life.


Before John the Baptist God carried all people along in their approach of what He promised them along the way since Adam. When John came preaching the forgiveness of sins, it was he who noted the time of our deliverance by identifying Christ. Which was an act of war in the heavens, which Christ eventually won--which was by the "violence" He endured when He was "taken" and crucified.

are you saying patience

The reference to "patience" is that of waiting--perhaps for a lifetime--which is allotted to us all for our salvation. Because this life of suffering is unto our death, appointed to us for having been born of the lineage of sin since Adam. Which indeed takes patience to endure.


The promise of salvation and eternal life comes to those who believe and consequently are born again of the spirit of God. Which may come at any time in this life where we see God in part. But when this is all over, then we shall see Him face to face, as a child truely seeing the face of their father for the first time.


It means Jesus has come to save us from the burdens we experience of sin and death. If we join with Him, believing that God our Father sent Him, He will walk with us through the rest of this life and escort us out from under the curse that came upon humanity because of the original sin from which we became children. The rest refers to the rest of God, which is life without any burden such as we now know and experience in this life.


Before John the Baptist God carried all people along in their approach of what He promised them along the way since Adam. When John came preaching the forgiveness of sins, it was he who noted the time of our deliverance by identifying Christ. Which was an act of war in the heavens, which Christ eventually won--which was by the "violence" He endured when He was "taken" and crucified.

are you saying that we earn salvation by patience?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

The reference to "patience" is that of waiting--perhaps for a lifetime--which is allotted to us all for our salvation. Because this life of suffering is unto our death, appointed to us for having been born of the lineage of sin since Adam. Which indeed takes patience to endure.


The promise of salvation and eternal life comes to those who believe and consequently are born again of the spirit of God. Which may come at any time in this life where we see God in part. But when this is all over, then we shall see Him face to face, as a child truely seeing the face of their father for the first time.


It means Jesus has come to save us from the burdens we experience of sin and death. If we join with Him, believing that God our Father sent Him, He will walk with us through the rest of this life and escort us out from under the curse that came upon humanity because of the original sin from which we became children. The rest refers to the rest of God, which is life without any burden such as we now know and experience in this life.


Before John the Baptist God carried all people along in their approach of what He promised them along the way since Adam. When John came preaching the forgiveness of sins, it was he who noted the time of our deliverance by identifying Christ. Which was an act of war in the heavens, which Christ eventually won--which was by the "violence" He endured when He was "taken" and crucified.

it does not say "rest to your bodies" but "rest to your souls"

try again

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

The reference to "patience" is that of waiting--perhaps for a lifetime--which is allotted to us all for our salvation. Because this life of suffering is unto our death, appointed to us for having been born of the lineage of sin since Adam. Which indeed takes patience to endure.


The promise of salvation and eternal life comes to those who believe and consequently are born again of the spirit of God. Which may come at any time in this life where we see God in part. But when this is all over, then we shall see Him face to face, as a child truely seeing the face of their father for the first time.


It means Jesus has come to save us from the burdens we experience of sin and death. If we join with Him, believing that God our Father sent Him, He will walk with us through the rest of this life and escort us out from under the curse that came upon humanity because of the original sin from which we became children. The rest refers to the rest of God, which is life without any burden such as we now know and experience in this life.


Before John the Baptist God carried all people along in their approach of what He promised them along the way since Adam. When John came preaching the forgiveness of sins, it was he who noted the time of our deliverance by identifying Christ. Which was an act of war in the heavens, which Christ eventually won--which was by the "violence" He endured when He was "taken" and crucified.

this is good and I agree it refers to His passion and death but we have union with Christ and so must suffer as well! phil 1:29

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

The would-be contradiction exists because many believe that our works are required--which is not required. But what is required are Jesus'/God's works--not ours.

If Christ did it all for us and there would s nothing for us to do to obtain eternal salvation why does it say that we MUST DO IT?

thks

Jn 3:16 1 Jn 5:13 Perpetual faith
mt 3:8 2 cor 7:10 fruits of repentance
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ & bear fruit
Lk 3:9 bear fruit
Lk 1:75 acts 10:35 deeds of righteousness
phil 1:11 fruits of righteousness
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
ps 23:3 leads in paths (deeds) of righteousness acts 10:35
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life
2 pet 3:18 grow in grace
heb 6:12 faith & patience
rev 2:19 faith, patience, & works
rev 14:12 commandments, patience, & faith
mt 19:17 Jn 14:21 1 cor 7:19 1Jn 3:24 1 Jn 5:2-3 rev 12:17 keep the commandments
mt 10:22 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 endure to the end in patient suffering
rev 2:10 he who overcomes I shall give the crown of life!

 

[NayborBear]

"works are forbidden"

verses

"works are required"


((works are forbidden))

eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast

((works are required))

eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


how do you solve this glaring contradiction in scripture?

thks

Like this:
1 Peter 2:5
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, TO OFFER UP "SPIRITUAL SACRIFICES." ACCEPTABLE TO GOD BY Jesus Christ.

Cuz, ya see? the "word" FAITH = "EFFORT!" Where many stop at the "word" BELIEVE? What is actually celebrated and rewarded is?: "BELIEEEEVEINNNNG!"
The meaning of "Spiritual Sacrifices" in the above verse, is indicative of "UNSEEN EFFORT/S"
Hebrews 7:11
If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that ANOTHER PRIEST should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

This comes after YEARS of "BEELEEEVEEENG!"
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection (COMPLETENESS); not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
(an add on edit)
Believe it or not? Doing this "carries a lot of water" towards "Acts ATTRIBUTABLE towards RIGHTEOUSNESS!"
Or so I've been told!
Hope this helps.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Galatians 5:2, this is one of the most frightening statements in the New Testament, how could doing something religious make Jesus Christ have no value? The Galatians thought they were just adding a little extra obedience to their faith, they believed in Jesus, but they also wanted to be serious about their religion, they thought the equation for salvation was Jesus plus circumcision, but Paul stops them and says the math does not work that way, it is not Jesus plus something else, it is Jesus or nothing. The moment you decide that you need to do something to finish your salvation, you’re saying that the cross was not enough, you are insulting the sacrifice of Jesus. You are telling God, that the death of his son was only a partial payment and that your human effort will pay the rest of the bill.

we don't have eternal salvation so were not finishing salvation

we have the grace of justification and we must participate in sanctification and perseverance

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Galatians 5:2, you insist on giving God your pocket change to help pay for it, that might seem like a nice gesture, but it is actually a deep insult. By trying to pay, you are turning a loving gift into a business transaction, you are saying his gift was not sufficient, you are degrading his generosity, that is exactly what you do, when you try to add your own works to Jesus’ sacrifice, you are trying to pay for a house you could never afford with pocket change that is worthless. Hebrews 9:18-28, the blood the High Priest brought into the Holy of Holies was always the blood of an animal, never his own, every one of these limitations points to a system that was never designed to be the final answer.

Jn 15:5 apart from Christ? nothing!

Phil 4:13 In union with Christ? all things!

thks

what exactly does "it is finished" mean? Jn 19:30

 

[faithhopecharity]

Grace, on the other hand, demands faith in the one who was perfect, Paul is forcing the Galatians to make a choice, do you want to be judged by a system where one mistake destroys you or do you want to be saved by a system where all your mistakes are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ, you cannot have both. Galatians 5:4, when most people hear fallen from grace, they think of a moral failure, a news story about a pastor who had an affair or a leader caught stealing money and people say, he fell from grace. But falling from grace has nothing to do with committing sins like adultery or theft, ironically, falling from grace happens when you try to be too good, it happens when you try to earn your standing with God through your own behavior.

we have union with God by the grace of Christ but that's not eternal salvation

 

[faithhopecharity]

Grace, on the other hand, demands faith in the one who was perfect, Paul is forcing the Galatians to make a choice, do you want to be judged by a system where one mistake destroys you or do you want to be saved by a system where all your mistakes are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ, you cannot have both. Galatians 5:4, when most people hear fallen from grace, they think of a moral failure, a news story about a pastor who had an affair or a leader caught stealing money and people say, he fell from grace. But falling from grace has nothing to do with committing sins like adultery or theft, ironically, falling from grace happens when you try to be too good, it happens when you try to earn your standing with God through your own behavior.

it is a moral failure of a man who has received the grace of justification to sin is to fall from grace and be cut off from the life of God, thats why gal 6 says

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

and gal 5 says

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD!

eternal damnation!

lost forever!

thks

 

[ScottA]

are you saying patience

are you saying that we earn salvation by patience?

thks

Have patience, yes, as God has allotted our whole life to the cause of our salvation. But no, we do not earn salvation, it is a gift from God.

If you are not following or understanding what I am telling you, slow down (patience), read it again. This is like leaning a new language, comprehension takes time and determination to understand fully. Or skip trying to understand and just believe the greatest longest established truth in all of history at face value. Just that, is enough. You don't need to have all the answers. If you would like them however, they are there, to be found...if you have the patience, and allow God to impose His terms, rather than things having to fit into our own terms as many try to do (like a rude tourist). That is not how God works, He'll leave you hanging if you do not come willing and humble. I am not saying you are anything like that...just trying to set you on the right footing to have the best of results.

 

[ScottA]

it does not say "rest to your bodies" but "rest to your souls"

try again

thks

No. I will not try again. This is not a game or a test. You asked questions as if knowing little of nothing. It is only in that context that I answered the way I did.

You, on the other hand, should try taking a different, less deceiving approach.

 

[faithhopecharity]

A related question: What does it mean to "seek God's face?" (Psalm 27:8 and other OT references.)

With Exodus 33:20 lurking in the background: "No man can see my face and live". So why would we seek God's face?

I think it refers to seeing God in the future glory

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

This is a rest for a weariness that penetrates to the very essence of a person.

I think it means eternal rest (salvation)

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Galatians 5:6, real faith is not static, it moves, it acts, but the motivation is different. Under the law, you loved your neighbor, because you were afraid of being punished if you didn’t. Under grace, you love your neighbor, because you are so overwhelmed by God’s love for you, that it overflows. The action might look the same on the outside, but the heart condition is completely different, Paul is baffled by how quickly the Galatians turned away from this truth, Galatians 5:7. The Christian life is a marathon, the Galatians were running well, they were focused on Jesus, but legalism cut in on them.

Bad theology, it stops your spiritual progress, Paul warns the Galatians about how subtle this deception is, Galatians 5:8-9. If you have ever baked bread, you know you do not need much yeast, a tiny pinch will eventually cause the entire bowl of dough to rise. False teaching is the same, you do not need to reject Jesus completely to destroy a church, you just need to add a little bit of legalism, add a few man-made rules. Give lies enough time and they will infect everything, they will turn a joyful community of believers into a judgmental club of rule keepers. Galatians 5:12, Paul feels so strongly about this, that he uses graphic language, he basically says he wishes they would go even further and cut themselves off, that is how serious he is. Paul wants the source of this legalism cut off completely, because it is destroying the souls of his friends.

Sin costs life and the only blood valuable enough to pay for every human soul was Jesus Christ’s blood. Hebrews 9:22, almost, not all things, almost all things. there were exceptions in the law where purification could occur without blood, a person too poor to afford an animal, could offer flour instead. Certain purifications used water or fire, the author of Hebrews knows this and he says, almost on purpose, because God’s word does not exaggerate, it does not round up, it says exactly what it means. The Bible, it is careful with its claims and if scripture is that precise, you can trust it when it makes its larger claims about blood, forgiveness and the cross.

if Christ did it all for us and there is nothing for us to do why does it say: "we must do it"?

Jn 3:16 1 Jn 5:13 Perpetual faith
mt 3:8 2 cor 7:10 fruits of repentance
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ & bear fruit
Lk 3:9 bear fruit
Lk 1:75 acts 10:35 deeds of righteousness
phil 1:11 fruits of righteousness
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
ps 23:3 leads in paths (deeds) of righteousness acts 10:35
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life
2 pet 3:18 grow in grace
heb 6:12 faith & patience
heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
James 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
rev 2:19 faith, patience, & works
rev 14:12 commandments, patience, & faith
mt 19:17 Jn 14:21 1 cor 7:19 1Jn 3:24 1 Jn 5:2-3 rev 12:17 keep the commandments
eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
mt 10:22 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 endure to the end in patient suffering
rev 2:10 he who overcomes I shall give the crown of life!

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.
(eternal salvation)

thks