What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

[Brakelite]

I do not dispute that Sabbath synagogue participation occurred regularly in the apostolic period.

And a great deal after that, until the weight of papal persecution and pressure reduced the Sabbath to the dung heap of Christian faith and practice, and at the same time exalting a day to which no sacredness had been attached and no mention thereof other than an ordinary day, along with numerous other standard doctrines and beliefs which the Protestant Reformation sought to restore. Today, there are still a few Protestants working to restore the true faith. That, despite proclamations from some that the Reformation is "over".

Where I still see the distinction is between something being holy or spiritually significant and something being explicitly imposed as a universal covenant obligation upon Gentile believers under the New Testament.

Why should there be a distinction? If something is holy, then it is incumbent upon anyone associated with it to keep it that way and not profane it. Think Nadab and Abihu. Think Belshazzar. Think Uzzah. Think Ananias and Saphira. All were dealing with sacred things, profaning them, and suffering the consequences. The same is warned of those who receive the mark of the beast and worship the beast and its image.
They shall suffer the most dire punishment ever threatened against sinners. Surely, example and warning are sufficient for God's children to recognise that you don't mess with holy things. If something is holy, it is of far greater import than "spiritually significant". Those things that were profaned previously were holy because God was in them. To profane His things is to trample upon the one Who called it sacred.
The Sabbath is more than "just another option" for those who want a day off. It is the true Lord's Day. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. It is HIs day that He shares with all who have the faith to embrace it.

 

[ProDeo]

You have show how early, (In John's day) the mystery of iniquity was sprouting.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

Check out the Lord's day usage in the ECF writings, it's Sunday.

The day Jesus conquered death.

 

[Brakelite]

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

Check out the Lord's day usage in the ECF writings, it's Sunday.

The day Jesus conquered death.

Whose authority are you under? The ECFs, or Christ Himself Who declared the Sabbath as His own? Those who later exalted Sunday stole the expression from John, but altered its meaning. John was observing the Sabbath, just as the church had been doing for 3,500 years and continued to do until martydom and church councils banned Sabbath keeping within their jurisdictions. Outside of those Catholic jurisdictions, the Sabbath was observed for centuries. In Ethiopia. Britain. The Near East. And scattered remnants of apostolic Christianity throughout Europe such as the Waldenses.

 

[shepherdsword]

An easy way to discern a deception. Count how many times something is mentioned in the New Testament and then count how many times it is mentioned in the denomination's teachings.
In short, if keeping the sabbath as a Saturday day of worship is as critical as the 7th day peeps claim it is...it would be commanded all over the New testament. Instead we find the opposite. It is commanded no where.

 

[ProDeo]

Whose authority are you under? The ECFs, or Christ Himself Who declared the Sabbath as His own? Those who later exalted Sunday stole the expression from John, but altered its meaning. John was observing the Sabbath

What did John say ?

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

or your version -

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Sabbath, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

You will have to proof the Lord's Day = the Sabbath.

 

[Angelina]

Do you have any evidence suggesting the law written upon the heart comprised only 9 commandments instead of 10?

I do not believe the issue is best framed as “God removed one commandment from the moral law,” because I agree the Sabbath command still exists in Scripture and remains part of God’s revelation.

The question for me is how the New Testament applies the law under the new covenant, particularly for Gentile believers.

For example, the commandment against idolatry is repeatedly and explicitly reaffirmed to the church. Commands regarding sexual immorality, murder, theft, covetousness, honoring others, and love of neighbor are likewise directly reiterated in apostolic teaching.

What I do not yet see with the same clarity is the apostles explicitly binding seventh-day observance upon Gentile believers as a covenant requirement in the way some claim.

That distinction matters to me because the New Testament itself shows that aspects of the Mosaic covenant can remain holy, meaningful, and revelatory without necessarily functioning identically under the new covenant administration.

So my position is not “there are only nine commandments now.” My question is whether the apostles themselves imposed Sabbath observance upon Gentile believers as a universal covenant obligation - especially when addressing Gentile churches directly.

 

[Angelina]

You are questioning the continuation of something that God had ordained for 4000 years without clear evidence that continuity had changed. What reasons do you have for questioning, when the apostles obviously didn't?

I understand your point about continuity, and I agree that something established by God should not be dismissed lightly.

At the same time, the New Testament shows that covenant continuity is not always identical covenant administration.

For example, circumcision existed for centuries as a covenant sign ordained by God, yet the apostles specifically addressed whether it was binding upon Gentile believers. Likewise, temple sacrifices, priesthood, and dietary distinctions all had long histories within God’s covenant dealings with Israel.

So my questioning is not rooted in rejecting God’s holiness or His past ordinances. It comes from examining how Christ and the apostles applied those ordinances under the new covenant.

You say the apostles “obviously didn’t” question Sabbath continuity, yet when the apostles directly addressed Gentile obligations in Acts 15, they did not explicitly impose seventh-day observance upon them. That omission is significant to me given how central Sabbath observance had been within Israel.

Additionally, Paul repeatedly reinforces commands against idolatry, sexual immorality, murder, greed, and other moral sins in his letters to Gentile churches. But I do not see him giving the same universal apostolic instruction requiring Gentile believers to observe the seventh day as a covenant obligation.

So my questioning is not, "Did God once ordain the Sabbath?” I fully agree he did.

My question is: how did the apostles apply that ordinance within the new covenant church, particularly among Gentile believers united to Christ?

 

[Angelina]

And a great deal after that, until the weight of papal persecution and pressure reduced the Sabbath to the dung heap of Christian faith and practice, and at the same time exalting a day to which no sacredness had been attached and no mention thereof other than an ordinary day, along with numerous other standard doctrines and beliefs which the Protestant Reformation sought to restore. Today, there are still a few Protestants working to restore the true faith. That, despite proclamations from some that the Reformation is "over".

Why should there be a distinction? If something is holy, then it is incumbent upon anyone associated with it to keep it that way and not profane it. Think Nadab and Abihu. Think Belshazzar. Think Uzzah. Think Ananias and Saphira. All were dealing with sacred things, profaning them, and suffering the consequences. The same is warned of those who receive the mark of the beast and worship the beast and its image.
They shall suffer the most dire punishment ever threatened against sinners. Surely, example and warning are sufficient for God's children to recognise that you don't mess with holy things. If something is holy, it is of far greater import than "spiritually significant". Those things that were profaned previously were holy because God was in them. To profane His things is to trample upon the one Who called it sacred.
The Sabbath is more than "just another option" for those who want a day off. It is the true Lord's Day. Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath. It is HIs day that He shares with all who have the faith to embrace it.

I agree that holy things should never be treated carelessly or profanely. Scripture gives many sobering examples of that.

At the same time, I do not believe the existence of something holy automatically settles the separate question of covenant application under the New Testament.

For example, circumcision was a holy covenant sign given by God, yet the apostles still had to address whether Gentile believers were obligated to receive it. The temple, priesthood, sacrifices, and dietary laws likewise involved things sanctified by God, yet the New Testament explains how those things relate to Christ and the new covenant.

So my distinction is not between “holy” and “unimportant.” It is between:

1. Acknowledging something as holy within God’s redemptive history, and
2. Determining whether the apostles imposed it as a universal covenant obligation upon Gentile believers in the church.

That is why I keep returning to apostolic instruction.


I also think we should be cautious about moving from “the Sabbath is holy” to equating disagreement over seventh-day observance with the sins of Nadab, Uzzah, or Ananias and Sapphira. Those accounts involved direct acts of irreverence and rebellion against explicit divine commands in their covenant context.

My question is specifically about how the new covenant church was instructed to apply Sabbath observance after Christ’s coming and particularly among Gentile believers.

I fully understand the argument for continuity. I am simply asking whether the New Testament itself explicitly establishes the same covenant obligation in the same form for all believers.

 

[LawofLove]

People apply the "whoever" to Gentiles in this passage as we should...

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life

But than claim these verses are only for Jews.....

Exo20:6 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Mat5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

And quotes the "whole law" being referred to what God said:

11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

We can find the rest of the whole law that God said in Exo20:1-17 God's written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 where no more was added Deut5:22

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here[h] are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

The "whoever" in all of these verses are God's saints. Not just Jew or Gentiles but those with faith Gal3:26-29 Those who love God and serve Him Isa56:6 Rev7:3 by faith.

 

[LawofLove]

An easy way to discern a deception. Count how many times something is mentioned in the New Testament and then count how many times it is mentioned in the denomination's teachings.
In short, if keeping the sabbath as a Saturday day of worship is as critical as the 7th day peeps claim it is...it would be commanded all over the New testament. Instead we find the opposite. It is commanded no where.

Do you apply this to the other commandments as well? So we can vain the Holy name of the LORD in vain? The Sabbath is repeated 55 times in the NT showing its still a commandment of God Luke23:56 remains for the people of God Heb4:4,9,10 - Jesus said it would be kept by His faithful decades after the Cross Mat24:20 Isa56:6-7 why we see a continuity of the Sabbath being kept both Jew and Gentiles just as Jesus Himself indicated Isa56:6-7 in every city on every Sabbath by God's people in the NT Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 17:2 Acts 16:13 Acts 18:4 and forever thus saith the LORD Isa6623

When did God stop becoming God - the commandments belong to God Exo20:6 His people are to fear God and keep them Ecc12:13-14 Rev14:6-12

 

[shepherdsword]

Do you apply this to the other commandments as well? So we can vain the Holy name of the LORD in vain?

That would violate:
Col 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace...

The Sabbath is repeated 55 times in the NT showing its still a commandment of God

It is mentioned because the jews kept it but the church is not commanded to do so.

Luke23:56 remains for the people of God Heb4:4,9,10 - Jesus said it would be kept by His faithful decades after the Cross Mat24:20 Isa56:6-7 why we see a continuity of the Sabbath being kept in every city by God's people in the NT Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 17:2 Acts 16:13 Acts 18:4 and forever thus saith the LORD Isa6623

We see the sabbath mentioned in the gospels and acts because all Jews kept it. What we don't see is a commandment anywhere that the church should keep it. Can you name a single place in the new testament where gentiles were commanded to keep the sabbath?
The Corinthians kept the first day because that is when they took up offerings

1 Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Paul said to let no man judge you in keeping any of the sabbaths. Why wasn't the 7th day excluded here:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

and again:

Ro 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. (another good place to mandate the 7th day but didn't)

Like I said, if it was as important as you say we would see a direct command for it. However, if you want to keep it...go ahead, there is no condemnation for that either.

 

[LawofLove]

That would violate:
Col 4:6 Let your speech be alway with grace...



It is mentioned because the jews kept it but the church is not commanded to do so.


We see the sabbath mentioned in the gospels and acts because all Jews kept it. What we don't see is a commandment anywhere that the church should keep it. Can you name a single place in the new testament where gentiles were commanded to keep the sabbath?
The Corinthians kept the first day because that is when they took up offerings

1 Co 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Paul said to let no man judge you in keeping any of the sabbaths. Why wasn't the 7th day excluded here:

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

and again:

Ro 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. (another good place to mandate the 7th day but didn't)

Like I said, if it was as important as you say we would see a direct command for it.

Paul said everything has to be according to Christ

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone [a]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

Jesus said is He is LORD of the Sabbath Mar2:27, the Sabbath is the holy day of the LORD Isa58:13 and we are commanded to keep the Sabbath day holy. Exo20:8-11 This is according to Christ. Its God's own written and spoken Testimony Exo31:18 under His mercy seat Exo25:21 in heaven Heb9:23-24 Rev11:19

So lets use Paul's own standard and not leave out the rest of the context of Col2:16 and Rom14 that sadly every does and show me one verse where Christ said we do not have to keep the 4th commandment. Once God blesses, man cannot reverse Numb 23:20 God blessed the Sabbath day Exo20:11 and blesses the man who keeps it Isa56:2

Paul is hard to understand as we are sternly warned 2Peter3:16 and Paul plainly taught everything according to Christ- so where did Christ teach we do not need to keep the 4th commandment- we can forget what He asked us to Remember and keep holy? Paul was commissioned to spread the gospel not change God's times and laws Dan7:25

 

[shepherdsword]

So is Paul in your view is the master, and Jesus is the servant and Paul tells God what's His and what's not and not the other way around.

You have a distorted view of my view

Paul himself refutes this

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone [a]cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

The Jews hated and crucified Christ because He didn't meet their sabbath expectations.

Jesus said is He is LORD of the Sabbath, the Sabbath is the holy day of the LORD and we are commanded to keep the Sabbath day holy. This is according to Christ.

and the true sabbath is the one we find in him as Heb 3-4 illustrates

So lets use Pauls own standard and not leave out the test of the context of Col2:16 and Rom14 that every does and show me one verse where Christ said we do not have to keep the 4th commandment.

Paul's standard was not to let anyone judge you in keeping or not keeping the sabbath

I personally would be careful using Paul against Christ.

I would be careful about judging another with false accusations, you are bearing false witness. But I guess that;s ok as long as you keep the sabbath, right?

There is a salvation warning of misunderstanding Paul in Scripture 2Peter3:16

There sure is...so I suggest you stop wresting his words into some caricature to conform to your dogma.

and Paul plainly taught everything according to Christ-

Where did he command us to keep the sabbath?

so where did Christ teach we do not need to keep the 4th commandment- we can forget what He asked us to Remember?

Where did Jesus command the gentiles to do anything?

 

[LawofLove]

You have a distorted view of my view

The Jews hated and crucified Christ because He didn't meet their sabbath expectations.

and the true sabbath is the one we find in him as Heb 3-4 illustrates

Paul's standard was not to let anyone judge you in keeping or not keeping the sabbath

I would be careful about judging another with false accusations, you are bearing false witness. But I guess that;s ok as long as you keep the sabbath, right?

There sure is...so I suggest you stop wresting his words into some caricature to conform to your dogma.

Where did he command us to keep the sabbath?

Where did Jesus command the gentiles to do anything?

Ok, please show by Scripture where Christ said we do not have to keep the 4th commandment? This should be easy if this is the standard Paul used. Paul came after Christ ratified His covenant at the Cross- a change to God's covenant would require Jesus to die all over again and His death was once and for all. Heb10:10

Otherwise, its not using Paul own standard. I can show you the context of Col 2:16-17 if you're interested what Paul is quoting and its not the 4th commandment written by God Himself and Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath will not end at the Cross but will be kept by His faithful Mat24:20 Isa56:6-7 decades and decades after the Cross as Scripture plainly shows Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 etc and for eternity Isa66:23 thus saith the LORD.

Also, the Jews did not keep the commandments of God Rom2:21-23 Mat15:1-14, they kept their own man-made laws including their own man-made sabbath, not the Sabbath of God in His commandments. Why Jesus condemned them and corrected them constantly on how to keep God's Sabbath. Just like today man has made their own sabbath- keeping the first day holy instead of what is according to Christ Exo20:8-11 and just like the Jews did, will make laws around their own sabbath- a national Sunday law that's coming and will eventually persecute God's people for keeping God's commandments the way He said.

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. (Including Gentiles)
45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Why was it necessary for Paul and his associates to first preach to Israel? Was that same necessity applicable to Jesus also? I say yes, in order to fulfill prophecy.
Daniel 9:27 was being played out in real time. The 70 weeks must be completed. The final week, beginning from Christ's baptism in 27AD, comprised 3 and a half years of Christ ministering to Israel in person, and in the midst of the week the sacrifices and oblations ceased to be of any effect, because of Calvary. The last 3 and a half years were completed about the time of Stephen's martydom, 34 AD, and from that time forward, the gospel began to be presented to the Gentiles with intent and purpose, mainly through Paul, but also Thomas and others.
That's why it was necessary for Jesus and Paul to preach first to Israel in order to fulfil their obligations regarding Israel's probation. 70 weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city....Dan.9:24. That single passage in Daniel is the greatest and clearest prophetic proof of Jesus Messiahship. Which is why Jews today are forbidden to study it.

Good Morning,

Why was it necessary for Paul and his associates to first preach to Israel? Was that same necessity applicable to Jesus also?
I say yes, in order to fulfill prophecy.

100% AGREE

Where was the first prophecy. and or the Beginning prophecy, that the Savior would Come thru the Jewish people?

Clue: It was way before Daniel

Also, please take note of Acts 13:44

Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. (Including Gentiles)
45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Make sure you digest this as it is nourishing food for our spirit.

 

[David in NJ]

I understand your point about continuity, and I agree that something established by God should not be dismissed lightly.

At the same time, the New Testament shows that covenant continuity is not always identical covenant administration.

For example, circumcision existed for centuries as a covenant sign ordained by God, yet the apostles specifically addressed whether it was binding upon Gentile believers. Likewise, temple sacrifices, priesthood, and dietary distinctions all had long histories within God’s covenant dealings with Israel.

So my questioning is not rooted in rejecting God’s holiness or His past ordinances. It comes from examining how Christ and the apostles applied those ordinances under the new covenant.

You say the apostles “obviously didn’t” question Sabbath continuity, yet when the apostles directly addressed Gentile obligations in Acts 15, they did not explicitly impose seventh-day observance upon them. That omission is significant to me given how central Sabbath observance had been within Israel.

Additionally, Paul repeatedly reinforces commands against idolatry, sexual immorality, murder, greed, and other moral sins in his letters to Gentile churches. But I do not see him giving the same universal apostolic instruction requiring Gentile believers to observe the seventh day as a covenant obligation.

So my questioning is not, "Did God once ordain the Sabbath?” I fully agree he did.

My question is: how did the apostles apply that ordinance within the new covenant church, particularly among Gentile believers united to Christ?

@shepherdsword included on this question

Angelina, you keep mentioning "how does this apply to Gentile believers" as if there is a separate set of commandments for the Jews in Christ that does not apply to the Gentiles in Christ.

Is this taught in the Gospel and/or by the Apostles?

If you believe it is, please post the scriptures that clearly state such - thank you

 

[LoveYeshua]

As I was thinking on sabbath observance some thoughts came to mind, for discussion.

On God’s authority and obedience;

God speaks with a clear voice, calling His people to remember His word and walk in it. He said, “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.” And even before the commandments were written in stone, He tested His people in the wilderness, saying He would see if they would walk in His instruction or not. His words were not light, for He does not speak without purpose.

Time and again, God shows that obedience matters more than human thinking. When Moses was told to speak to the rock, but struck it instead, the water still came forth, yet he did not enter the land of promise. This shows that God is not only looking at results, but at faithfulness to His way. He is holy, and His instructions are holy.

Through all Scripture, a steady truth remains. God does not ask man to follow Him in his own way, but in God’s way. Human understanding often bends toward what is easier or what seems right, but God’s way stands above all of this. His word does not change with time or with opinion.

In the end, our ways are small and passing, but God’s way remains. And life is found in learning to trust Him enough to obey what He has spoken, even when the world goes another direction. For His voice leads to life, and His path alone endures.

Blessings

 

[shepherdsword]

Ok, please show by Scripture where Christ said we do not have to keep the 4th commandment?

Christ never commanded the gentiles to keep or not keep the sabbath.

This should be easy if this is the standard Paul used. Paul came after Christ ratified His covenant at the Cross- a change to God's covenant would require Jesus to die all over again and His death was once and for all. Heb10:10

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Otherwise, its not using Paul own standard. I can show you the context of Col 2:16-17 if you're interested what Paul is quoting and its not the 4th commandment written by God Himself and Jesus in His own words said the Sabbath will not end at the Cross but will be kept by His faithful Mat24:20 Isa56:6-7 decades and decades after the Cross as Scripture plainly shows Acts 15:21 Acts 18:4 etc and for eternity Isa66:23 thus saith the LORD.

He is saying "sabbaths" as ALL sabbaths. If the 7th day was excluded it would be mentioned here.

Also, the Jews did not keep the commandments of God Rom2:21-23 Mat15:1-14, they kept their own man-made laws including their own man-made sabbath, not the Sabbath of God in His commandments. Why Jesus condemned them and corrected them constantly on how to keep God's Sabbath. Just like today man has made their own sabbath- keeping the first day holy instead of what is according to Christ Exo20:8-11 and just like the Jews did, will make laws around their own man-sabbath- a national Sunday law that's coming and will eventually persecute God's people for keeping God's commandments the way He said.

The sabbath we keep today is entering into Christ's rest. That is the true sabbath and should be kept everyday. We are told very clearly that we enter into the sabbath when we believe. We are also told that the weekly sabbath did not provide the true rest or else He would not have spoken about another day.

Heb 4:2-7
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


What is this rest that remains? It is the one we enter into when we believe.

 

[LawofLove]

Christ never commanded the gentiles to keep or not keep the sabbath.

What I asked for us where Christ said we do not have to keep the 4th commandment. I am going to say its safe you cannot find one verse from Christ where He said we do not need to keep the 4th commandment because you keep quoting Paul when Paul's own standard is according to Christ.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Shall we continue quoting this passage that provides the context of the law being spoken of and why it had to change? The context is in the next verses that tells us which law and why it had to change. What it doesn't say is the 4th commandment.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood

The law said the priesthood had to come from the tribe of Levi- this is quoting OT, but this poses a problem if Jesus is to be our High Priest in the New Covenant because He came from the tribe of Judea which no man has officiated at the altar.

Hence why the law had to change the priesthood law that is being spoken of in the passage so Jesus can be our High Priest in His heavenly temple why the earthy one just showed us a picture of what He does in heaven Heb9:23-24 Heb8:1-5 Rev11:19

He is saying "sabbaths" as ALL sabbaths. If the 7th day was excluded it would be mentioned here.

The sabbath we keep today is entering into Christ's rest. That is the true sabbath and should be kept everyday. We are told very clearly that we enter into the sabbath when we believe. We are also told that the weekly sabbath did not provide the true rest or else He would not have spoken about another day.

Paul gave the context of the passage in verse 14

Col2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Who wrote the handwriting of ordinances? Please quote the OT Scripture Paul is quoting that is contrary and against. It wasn't God- God wrote the 4th commandment with His finger Exo31:18, its holy and blessed, not the definition for contrary and against its not the handwritten ordinances those were written by someone else and the Bible plainly tells us and those contained the annual sabbaths that had to do with food, and drink offerings (the context) what Jesus said plainly He came to end Dan9:27 there are more than one sabbath in Scripture Paul was quoting the ones he was referring to that had to with offerings, sacrifices the shadow laws Heb 10:1-10

Its something contrary and against us. Jesus said the Sabbath is made for man Mark2:27 are you claiming what God made for man is against man? God made the Sabbath at Creation before sin Exo20:11 for mankind Mark2:27 so God is against mankind from day 7 of Creation? Are you sure you want to claim this is what Paul is teaching?

Did Jesus say His Sabbath was nailed to His cross?

He predicted His house of prayer on the Sabbath would be kept for all nations Isa56:6-7 that His faithful would be keeping the Sabbath decades after the Cross and up to His Second Coming Mat24:20 and for eternity Isa66:23 so Paul is countermanding Christ when He taught everything had to be according to Christ?

Heb 4:2-7
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.


What is this rest that remains? It is the one we enter into when we believe.

Hebrews 4 is quoting OT. Can you find the OT reference the author of Hebrews is quoting? Because it answers these questions. We would have to do to what God said Heb4:4 which is being quoted and know the story of Joshua and David which is what the author is quoting. Sadly people apply this to what they want it to say and not what's actually being quoted from the OT. Its actually teaching the exact opposite because breaking the Sabbath is what kept an entire generation out of their promised rest Eze20:15-16 and we are told not to follow in that same path of disobedience Heb4:11 to enter ours Rev22:14 why the Sabbath-rest in this verse literally means keeping the Sabbath - which remains for God's people Heb4:9 because those who enter into Christ rest also rest from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3 those who rest in Christ are not in rebellion to His commandments- that's unrest Isa48:18 Rev14:11-12

 

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What I asked for us where Christ said we do not have to keep the 4th commandment. I am going to say its safe you cannot find one verse from Christ where He said we do not need to keep the 4th commandment because you keep quoting Paul when Paul's own standard is according to Christ.

What I ask for where did the Lord command the gentiles anything?

Shall we continue quoting this passage the provides the context of the law being spoken of and why it had to change? The context is literally in the next verses that tells us which law and why it had to change. What it doesn't say is the 4th commandment.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood

The law said the priesthood had to come from the tribe of Levi- this is quoting OT, but this poses a problem if Jesus is to be our High Priest in the New Covenant because He came from the tribe of Judea which no man has officiated at the altar.

Hence why the law had to change the priesthood law that is being spoken of in the passage.

The law is a totality.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. So when the law was changed in one point it was changed in all.

Jesus changed the law of adultery from committing the actual deed to even thinking about it. He changed "Do not Kill" to being angry without a cause. Therefore, more than just the law of the priesthood was changed.

Jer 31:31-33
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Paul gave the context of the passage in verse 14

Col2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Who wrote the handwriting of ordinances? Please quote the OT Scripture Paul is quoting.
Its something contrary and against us. Jesus said the Sabbath is made for man Mark2:27 are you claiming what God made for man is against man?

No, I am saying that a legalistic and pharisaical way of keeping it is missing the true rest found in Heb 4

God made the Sabbath at Creation before sin Exo20:11 for mankind Mark2:27 so God is against mankind from day 7 of Creation? Are you sure you want to claim this is what Paul is teaching?

Did Jesus say His Sabbath was nailed to His cross?

Paul said the ordinances were nailed to the cross and the new law of love is kept by walking in the Spirit.

He predicted His house of prayer on the Sabbath would be kept for all nations Isa56:6-7 that His faithful would be keeping the Sabbath decades after the Cross and up to His Second Coming Mat24:20 and for eternity Isa66:23 so Paul is countermanding Christ?

of course not...the sabbath is entering into his rest by faith

Hebrews 4 is quoting OT. Can you find the OT reference the author of Hebrews is quoting? Because it answers these questions. We would have to do to what God said Heb4:4 which is being quoted and the story of Joshua and David which is what the author is quoting. Sadly people apply this to what they want it to say and not what's actually being quoted from the OT. Its actually teaching the exact opposite because breaking the Sabbath is what kept an entire generation out of their promised rest Eze20:15-16 and we are told not to follow in that same path of disobedience Heb4:11 to enter ours Rev22:14 why the Sabbath-rest which literally means keeping the Sabbath remains for God's people Heb4:9 because those who enter into Christ rest also rest from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3 those who rest in Christ are not in rebellion to His commandments- that's unrest Isa48:18 Rev2:11-12

Sure, it's quoting psalm 95 where the people did not hear his voice and enter into his rest (even though the works were finished before the foundation of the world) Heb 3 and 4 tell us that we do not enter into the rest by legalistically keeping any single day, as that would require adhering to the entire law(James 2-10) We enter into the sabbath rest by faith as Heb 4:2 tells us.