What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

[David in NJ]

What I asked for us where Christ said we do not have to keep the 4th commandment

In fact, Christ commanded us that we must keep the 4th commandment.

HE said it in His Gospel = Loud and Clear for those who desire to hear His words.

However, HE did not Say it the way your religion desires.

IMPORTANT: saturday was not replaced with sunday

 

[David in NJ]

What I ask for where did the Lord command the gentiles anything?

YES - HE did

 

[amigo de christo]

Who are the lost sheep of Israel today?

lets ask rather who are the True sheep of the ISRAEL of GOD and of CHRIST .
Its every man , woman and child , whether born a jew or a gentile , WHO NOW BELIEVES ON THIS JESUS CHRIST of GOD .
This is what has occurred . At the and in the beginning the gospel was fast being preached
to the natural jews . Though at times JESUS saw faith in some gentiles .
But HE was sent to the lost sheep of Israel . And Later the apostels as well as paul
would also begin to do exactly what JESUS had said .
As i said you are not my sheep , I have come for the lost sheep of israel
AND OTHER SHEEP , aka gentiles , I must bring and they two will be ONE FOLD with ONE SHEPARD .
THAT is what is and has been occuring for a long time now .
THE JERUSALEM , ISRAEL , ZION , of GOD is NOW HEAVENLY and the earthen is but in bondage even to this day .
But many are now running to the earthern under guise this is the plan of GOD
to bring peace on earth through a peace plan . A peace plan WHICH HAS MADE VOID the gospel OF JESUS CHRIST .
Now think about that . PEACE PEACE PEACE , WORLD PEACE
and yet within its plan BE THE DENIAL OF JESUS THE CHRIST . NOW WHO ya THINK is being that plan .
ANTI CHRIST . but folks think its what , OF GOD , AND HIS PLAN for world peace .

 

[amigo de christo]

In fact, Christ commanded us that we must keep the 4th commandment.

HE said it in His Gospel = Loud and Clear for those who desire to hear His words.

However, HE did not Say it the way your religion desires.

IMPORTANT: saturday was not replaced with sunday

The command that once was to take your sacrfices for blood unto the high preist who sitteth over earthen Jersualem
and the earthen temple , HAS NOW LONG been negated . The cry to COME TO THE TRUE , THE HEAVENLY , THAT CHRIST is now
given to all .
The law was temporary TILL THE HEAVENLY came and was ESTABLISHED by THE VERY GOD of abraham , issac and jacob
And now ever since the command has been
and the warning has been ......
COME YE UNTO ME all ye who do labor and are weary and YE shall find rest for yoursouls ,
And the warning is Beware the earthern for it be in bondage till this very day .
WHEN seeking the maker of all that is , the creator of all that has been and is
SEEK YE the GREAT HIGH PRIEST who was sinless and without spot on the inside
and beleive on HIM and gather under Not the earthern built after the TRUE
but UNDER THE TRUE , THE HEAVENLY ITSELF . THAT is the command of GOD .
And unto all who fail to enter into THAT REST
well if one could be put to death under the law by two or three witnesses
ALL WHO TROD HIM UNDER FOOT , that BE JESUS , and enter not into his rest
HOW MUCH SORER a punishment awaits those . OH YEAH , ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME in the building .

 

[LawofLove]

What I ask for where did the Lord command the gentiles anything?

For those who love and serve Him Exo20:6 Isa56:6 1 John5:3 made for mankind Mark2:27-28

The law is a totality.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. So when the law was changed in one point it was changed in all.

The whole law in this context is the Ten Commandments why the only commandments being quoted and contrasted is the Ten Commandments- its the only law under the mercy seat of Christ which His blood atones for, its the only law that God wrote and spoke Exo31:18 and no more were added Deut 5:22. God does not need man to complete His own laws- they are perfect for converting the soul Psa19:7

2 Chron 33:and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I (GOD) have commanded them, according to the whole law (separate from the next word) and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

God wrote the Ten Commandments the whole law of God Exo20:6 Deut 4:13 Moses wrote everything else in a book including the handwriting or ordinance as this verse clearly says that was beside the ark there as a witness against thee the context of Col2:14-17

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you

Jesus changed the law of adultery from committing the actual deed to even thinking about it. He changed "Do not Kill" to being angry without a cause. Therefore, more than just the law of the priesthood was changed.

Jesus didn't change He magnified as it was prophesized

Isa 42: 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Jesus is not teaching its okay to commit thou shalt not commit adultery as long as we do not have lust in our heart that's not even possible- He plainly taught not to break or teach anyone else to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19

Jer 31:31-33
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Thats right the laws in the NC is known to Jeremiah, and each one of the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath is repeated in Jeremiah because that what was broken and God restored His laws but written in a better location the hearts and minds if we don;t refuse them Rom8:7-8

Paul said the ordinances were nailed to the cross and the new law of love is kept by walking in the Spirit.

Again, please quote by Scripture what Paul is quoting who wrote the ordinances? The Bible tells us and it was not God.

of course not...the sabbath is entering into his rest by faith

This is not stated anywhere in Scripture it would literally go against what God said He would not alter His words Psa89:23 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18 and editing His commandments that He wrote

Sure, it's quoting psalm 95 where the people did not hear his voice and enter into his rest (even though the works were finished before the foundation of the world) Heb 3 and 4 tell us that we do not enter into the rest by legalistically keeping any single day, as that would require adhering to the entire law(James 2-10) We enter into the sabbath rest by faith as Heb 4:2 tells us.

There is more than one rest in Scripture. There are two different rest being spoken of in Heb 4 and we see this plainly in the Greek definitions.

The rest being referred to in days of Joshua was the land full of milk and honey and they were given this land on the condition if they love God with all their heart, mind and soul and feared God and kept His commandments? Did that happen? What reason did God give that they could not enter?

Jos 1:13 Remember the word which Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, saying, The Lord your God hath given you rest, and hath given you this land.

This is God speaking why they could not enter:

Eze 20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

And why in the NT we are told plainly not to follow in the same example of disobeyed to enter into our promise land

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

No one in Christ rest is in rebellion to His commandments. Hebrews was written 40 years after the death of Christ- Christ ratified His covenant at the Cross- no one can change it, not Paul, not anyone- Christ has all authority why Paul taught everything has to be according to Christ. Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath why are we trying to tear down what He is LORD of instead of keeping it holy as He asked Exo20:8-11 if we love and serve Him Exo20:6 Isa56:6 Rev14:12 Rev22:14

In Psalms 95 what rebellion in the wilderness is being quoted that Paul is also quoting in Heb 3 and Heb 4. The Bible actually tells us verbatim Eze 20:13

I am OK agreeing to disagree- this will all get sorted out soon enough..


God bless you as you seek diligently the Truth of God's Word.

 

[Wrangler]

I came across this excellent vid by Hemingway Jones. Was going to start a new thread but realized it goes here. While not explicitly about how to Sabbath, the whole video is an expression of that mindset. Some key points:

• Live big and intentionally, where each moment matters. Cast yourself into the adventure of your life.
• Slow down. This moment is all there is. Enjoy it fully.
• Rebel against modernity
  • While our culture emphasizes speed and efficiency, take the time to let experiences penetrate your consciousness fully.
  • sometimes, take the long way home, the scenic route, taking in the life, art and beauty around you.
• Journaling makes it real.
• Live embracing small moments of wonder.

 

[amigo de christo]

YES - HE did

notice in the law it is written , THEY have profaned my sabbath and go after their idols .
An d now a word .
MANY now DENY HE who giveth REST to the soul of all who do la bor and are weary
as they chase after the ecumeincal idols of a false god who has made the path to GOD VERY INCLUSIVE and BROAD .
Talk about sabbath TRODDING and omitting . They OMIT the VERY NEED of JESUS THE CHRIST

 

[Brakelite]

An easy way to discern a deception. Count how many times something is mentioned in the New Testament and then count how many times it is mentioned in the denomination's teachings.
In short, if keeping the sabbath as a Saturday day of worship is as critical as the 7th day peeps claim it is...it would be commanded all over the New testament. Instead we find the opposite. It is commanded no where.

So? Yet it was practised everywhere. For centuries. By Gentile Christians in Gentile nations from Britain by the Celtic church to India by the St.Thomas Christians, from Ethiopia to China and all the churches of Asia along the great silk road, later wiped out by encroaching sand and Tammerlane. Like us, they honoured the Sabbath because they loved Jesus. Not because it was a commandment or the law. Let me ask you. Are you honest only because the commandment says "do not steal"? Are you faithful to your wife because the commandment forbids adultery? Or is it because of love? Love for wife and neighbour.
That being the case, why do you constantly accuse us of legalism? Why do you base your objections on your premise that the sabbath cannot be valid because the law is no longer valid? A false and flawed premise because the law is eternal, including the Sabbath, but the law isn't why we observe the Sabbath anyway. Yes, the law confirms it and because of your attacks we must defend it primarily on that basis, particularly when the prophetic future is a law based on Sunday. But that's another story. Anyway, it is so tedious and mind blowing defending obedience to our Creator as if that's evil in some way.

You FEAR the RCC and the New World Order that would make sunday mandatory.
NEVER be afraid of this as it CANNOT defile anyone who is in CHRIST.

I'm not afraid. Not for myself anyway. For those who will inevitably accept the mark, whether from ignorance, convenience, or deception, yes, for them I am afraid.

 

[Brakelite]

What did John say ?

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

or your version -

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Sabbath, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet

You will have to proof the Lord's Day = the Sabbath.

The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not afraid. Not for myself anyway. For those who will inevitably accept the mark, whether from ignorance, convenience, or deception, yes, for them I am afraid.

AWESOME and i AGREE

IMPORTANT: In Revelation, it is only the Mark of the Beast that we are WARNED not to partake in, along with idols.

There is no commandment given by the LORD or the Apostles against gathering on Sunday

SAME as = There is no commandment given by the LORD or the Apostles that saturday must be kept according to the law of Moses.

CHRIST came to fulfill the law because no man and no religious movement(SDA,RCC) is able to keep the law as required by God.

GOD wants our faith to be wholly holy unto CHRIST and His commandments so that the 2nd Promise of the FATHER can come to you.

If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— the Spirit of Truth.
The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.

 

[Brakelite]

The law is a totality.
Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. So when the law was changed in one point it was changed in all.

I'm flabbergasted. I'm sitting here shaking my head at such biblical illiteracy. Twisting the entire nuance of James's text in order to defend tradition.

Jesus changed the law of adultery from committing the actual deed to even thinking about it. He changed "Do not Kill" to being angry without a cause. Therefore, more than just the law of the priesthood was changed

So committing the actual deed is no longer an offence against God? Only thinking about it is offensive?

 

[Brakelite]

IMPORTANT: saturday was not replaced with sunday

Of course it wasn't. What man can change God's laws? Which is why the prophecy concerning the Antichrist papal system said in Daniel 7, that he would think to change times and laws. He can, and did legislate all he wants for Sunday sacredness. But in reality it is a futile empty attempt at usurping Christ's authority. Which is why he is Antichrist.

 

[Brakelite]

CHRIST came to fulfill the law because no man and no religious movement(SDA,RCC) is able to keep the law as required by God

So the power of the carnal nature is greater than the power of the Creator God?

“Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? ”
Jeremiah 32:27 KJV

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“I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. ”
Philippians 4:13 KJV

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“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. ”
Romans 12:2 KJV

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“23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. ”
Ephesians 4:23-24 KJV

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“2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. ”
Romans 8:2-9 KJV

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[Brakelite]

I agree that holy things should never be treated carelessly or profanely. Scripture gives many sobering examples of that.

At the same time, I do not believe the existence of something holy automatically settles the separate question of covenant application under the New Testament.

For example, circumcision was a holy covenant sign given by God, yet the apostles still had to address whether Gentile believers were obligated to receive it. The temple, priesthood, sacrifices, and dietary laws likewise involved things sanctified by God, yet the New Testament explains how those things relate to Christ and the new covenant.

So my distinction is not between “holy” and “unimportant.” It is between:

1. Acknowledging something as holy within God’s redemptive history, and
2. Determining whether the apostles imposed it as a universal covenant obligation upon Gentile believers in the church.

That is why I keep returning to apostolic instruction.


I also think we should be cautious about moving from “the Sabbath is holy” to equating disagreement over seventh-day observance with the sins of Nadab, Uzzah, or Ananias and Sapphira. Those accounts involved direct acts of irreverence and rebellion against explicit divine commands in their covenant context.

My question is specifically about how the new covenant church was instructed to apply Sabbath observance after Christ’s coming and particularly among Gentile believers.

I fully understand the argument for continuity. I am simply asking whether the New Testament itself explicitly establishes the same covenant obligation in the same form for all believers.

You are correct. Paul addressed several things that were innate Jewish traditions bound by OT law. Circumcision, feast days, annual sabbaths etc. And they was a great deal of opposition from the Jewish leaders in every town Paul visited, and they stirred up much opposition against the apostles by using anything and anyone they could to dissuade the people from hearing him. Yet not once in all of scripture is there even a hint of Pharisaical objections to any discontinuance of the observation of the 4th commandment.

 

[shepherdsword]

I'm flabbergasted. I'm sitting here shaking my head at such biblical illiteracy. Twisting the entire nuance of James's text in order to defend tradition.

LOL...says the guy who gets his canned theology from a know false prophetess named Ellen White

So committing the actual deed is no longer an offence against God? Only thinking about it is offensive?

Who said that? Of course the deed is an offense but according to Jesus, even the thought is

 

[Brakelite]

What I asked for us where Christ said we do not have to keep the 4th commandment. I am going to say its safe you cannot find one verse from Christ where He said we do not need to keep the 4th commandment because you keep quoting Paul when Paul's own standard is according to Christ.

Shall we continue quoting this passage that provides the context of the law being spoken of and why it had to change? The context is in the next verses that tells us which law and why it had to change. What it doesn't say is the 4th commandment.


Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood

The law said the priesthood had to come from the tribe of Levi- this is quoting OT, but this poses a problem if Jesus is to be our High Priest in the New Covenant because He came from the tribe of Judea which no man has officiated at the altar.

Hence why the law had to change the priesthood law that is being spoken of in the passage so Jesus can be our High Priest in His heavenly temple why the earthy one just showed us a picture of what He does in heaven Heb9:23-24 Heb8:1-5 Rev11:19



Paul gave the context of the passage in verse 14

Col2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Who wrote the handwriting of ordinances? Please quote the OT Scripture Paul is quoting that is contrary and against. It wasn't God- God wrote the 4th commandment with His finger Exo31:18, its holy and blessed, not the definition for contrary and against its not the handwritten ordinances those were written by someone else and the Bible plainly tells us and those contained the annual sabbaths that had to do with food, and drink offerings (the context) what Jesus said plainly He came to end Dan9:27 there are more than one sabbath in Scripture Paul was quoting the ones he was referring to that had to with offerings, sacrifices the shadow laws Heb 10:1-10

Its something contrary and against us. Jesus said the Sabbath is made for man Mark2:27 are you claiming what God made for man is against man? God made the Sabbath at Creation before sin Exo20:11 for mankind Mark2:27 so God is against mankind from day 7 of Creation? Are you sure you want to claim this is what Paul is teaching?

Did Jesus say His Sabbath was nailed to His cross?

He predicted His house of prayer on the Sabbath would be kept for all nations Isa56:6-7 that His faithful would be keeping the Sabbath decades after the Cross and up to His Second Coming Mat24:20 and for eternity Isa66:23 so Paul is countermanding Christ when He taught everything had to be according to Christ?



Hebrews 4 is quoting OT. Can you find the OT reference the author of Hebrews is quoting? Because it answers these questions. We would have to do to what God said Heb4:4 which is being quoted and know the story of Joshua and David which is what the author is quoting. Sadly people apply this to what they want it to say and not what's actually being quoted from the OT. Its actually teaching the exact opposite because breaking the Sabbath is what kept an entire generation out of their promised rest Eze20:15-16 and we are told not to follow in that same path of disobedience Heb4:11 to enter ours Rev22:14 why the Sabbath-rest in this verse literally means keeping the Sabbath - which remains for God's people Heb4:9 because those who enter into Christ rest also rest from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 Gen2:1-3 those who rest in Christ are not in rebellion to His commandments- that's unrest Isa48:18 Rev14:11-12

To the above i would add,

He is saying "sabbaths" as ALL sabbaths. If the 7th day was excluded it would be mentioned here.

that Paul did exclude the weekly Sabbath when he defined what sabbaths were now passed away... the ones that were shadows.

 

[shepherdsword]

So? Yet it was practised everywhere. For centuries. By Gentile Christians in Gentile nations from Britain by the Celtic church to India by the St.Thomas Christians, from Ethiopia to China and all the churches of Asia along the great silk road, later wiped out by encroaching sand and Tammerlane. Like us, they honoured the Sabbath because they loved Jesus. Not because it was a commandment or the law. Let me ask you. Are you honest only because the commandment says "do not steal"? Are you faithful to your wife because the commandment forbids adultery? Or is it because of love? Love for wife and neighbour.
That being the case, why do you constantly accuse us of legalism? Why do you base your objections on your premise that the sabbath cannot be valid because the law is no longer valid? A false and flawed premise because the law is eternal, including the Sabbath, but the law isn't why we observe the Sabbath anyway. Yes, the law confirms it and because of your attacks we must defend it primarily on that basis, particularly when the prophetic future is a law based on Sunday. But that's another story. Anyway, it is so tedious and mind blowing defending obedience to our Creator as if that's evil in some way.

So, there is liberty to practice it...unless you are a 7th day Adventist who thinks that not taking it is the mark of the beast...now THAT's twisted theology

I'm not afraid. Not for myself anyway. For those who will inevitably accept the mark, whether from ignorance, convenience, or deception, yes, for them I am afraid.

There will be no global "sunday law" like your false prophetess predicts. So don't fear

 

[shepherdsword]

that Paul did exclude the weekly Sabbath when he defined what sabbaths were now passed away... the ones that were shadows.

No, he didn't. Show me in the bible. You are getting that from your 7th day sabbath school book.

 

[LoveYeshua]

lets ask rather who are the True sheep of the ISRAEL of GOD and of CHRIST .
Its every man , woman and child , whether born a jew or a gentile , WHO NOW BELIEVES ON THIS JESUS CHRIST of GOD .
This is what has occurred . At the and in the beginning the gospel was fast being preached
to the natural jews . Though at times JESUS saw faith in some gentiles .
But HE was sent to the lost sheep of Israel . And Later the apostels as well as paul
would also begin to do exactly what JESUS had said .
As i said you are not my sheep , I have come for the lost sheep of israel
AND OTHER SHEEP , aka gentiles , I must bring and they two will be ONE FOLD with ONE SHEPARD .
THAT is what is and has been occuring for a long time now .
THE JERUSALEM , ISRAEL , ZION , of GOD is NOW HEAVENLY and the earthen is but in bondage even to this day .
But many are now running to the earthern under guise this is the plan of GOD
to bring peace on earth through a peace plan . A peace plan WHICH HAS MADE VOID the gospel OF JESUS CHRIST .
Now think about that . PEACE PEACE PEACE , WORLD PEACE
and yet within its plan BE THE DENIAL OF JESUS THE CHRIST . NOW WHO ya THINK is being that plan .
ANTI CHRIST . but folks think its what , OF GOD , AND HIS PLAN for world peace .

Yes Amigo, the real Israel are the sheep who follow Him no matter what. that is certain but sometimes I wonder if the lost tribes of Israel that are scattered throughout the world are not the believers in Christ of today. God calls who he wants, I wonder sometimes if God calls everyone or perhaps also the lost tribes of Israel who today do not know they are part of the lost tribes. Pure speculation on my part here I do not pretend to know who God calls but I wonder. we are in the end times and God will recall the lost tribes and prepare the way for them all to rejoin the promised land it is clear in end times prophecy.

Blessings

 

[Brakelite]

LOL...says the guy who gets his canned theology from a know false prophetess named Ellen White

Who said that? Of course the deed is an offense but according to Jesus, even the thought is

You said it. Here...

Jesus changed the law of adultery from committing the actual deed to even thinking about it. He changed "Do not Kill" to being angry without a cause. Therefore, more than just the law of the priesthood was changed