What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

[Brakelite]

No, he didn't. Show me in the bible. You are getting that from your 7th day sabbath school book.

“16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. ”
Colossians 2:16-17 KJV

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[shepherdsword]

For those who love and serve Him Exo20:6 Isa56:6 1 John5:3 made for mankind Mark2:27-28

The whole law in this context is the Ten Commandments why the only commandments being quoted and contrasted is the Ten Commandments- its the only law under the mercy seat of Christ which His blood atones for, its the only law that God wrote and spoke Exo31:18 and no more were added Deut 5:22. God does not need man to complete His own laws- they are perfect for converting the soul Psa19:7

2 Chron 33:and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I (GOD) have commanded them, according to the whole law (separate from the next word) and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

God wrote the Ten Commandments the whole law of God Exo20:6 Deut 4:13 Moses wrote everything else in a book including the handwriting or ordinance as this verse clearly says that was beside the ark there as a witness against thee the context of Col2:14-17

Deut 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you

All Old covenant scriptures spoken to the Jews.

Jesus didn't change He magnified as it was prophesized

Isa 42: 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

and the sabbath has been magnified to be everyday as we rest in Christ

Jesus is not teaching its okay to commit thou shalt not commit adultery as long as we do not have lust in our heart that's not even possible- He plainly taught not to break or teach anyone else to break the least of these commandments Mat5:19

Who said he was? The law was once again magnified to include even the thought.

Thats right the laws in the NC is known to Jeremiah, and each one of the Ten Commandments including the Sabbath is repeated in Jeremiah because that what was broken and God restored His laws but written in a better location the hearts and minds if we don;t refuse them Rom8:7-8

Again, please quote by Scripture what Paul is quoting who wrote the ordinances? The Bible tells us and it was not God.

This is not stated anywhere in Scripture it would literally go against what God said He would not alter His words Psa89:23 not a jot or tittle Mat5:18 and editing His commandments that He wrote

There is more than one rest in Scripture. There are two different rest being spoken of in Heb 4 and we see this plainly in the Greek definitions.

The rest being referred to in days of Joshua was the land full of milk and honey and they were given this land on the condition if they love God with all their heart, mind and soul and feared God and kept His commandments? Did that happen? What reason did God give that they could not enter?

Jos 1:13 Remember the word which Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, saying, The Lord your God hath given you rest, and hath given you this land.

This is God speaking why they could not enter:

Eze 20:15 So I also raised My hand in an oath to them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, ‘flowing with milk and honey,’ the glory of all lands, 16 because they despised My judgments and did not walk in My statutes, but profaned My Sabbaths; for their heart went after their idols.

And why in the NT we are told plainly not to follow in the same example of disobeyed to enter into our promise land

Heb 4:11 Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience.

and we enter the rest by faith, not by a legalistic adherence to another day.

No one in Christ rest is in rebellion to His commandments. Hebrews was written 40 years after the death of Christ- Christ ratified His covenant at the Cross- no one can change it, not Paul, not anyone- Christ has all authority why Paul taught everything has to be according to Christ. Jesus is LORD of the Sabbath why are we trying to tear down what He is LORD of instead of keeping it holy as He asked Exo20:8-11 if we love and serve Him Exo20:6 Isa56:6 Rev14:12 Rev22:14

Don't ignore Hebs where it said this land rest of Joshua was not the real rest. There was one coming that was the manifested reality for which the sabbath day was only the shadow type. It was entering into Christ

In Psalms 95 what rebellion in the wilderness is being quoted that Paul is also quoting in Heb 3 and Heb 4. The Bible actually tells us verbatim Eze 20:13

I am OK agreeing to disagree- this will all get sorted out soon enough..

It sure will

God bless you as you seek diligently the Truth of God's Word.

You as well.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes Amigo, the real Israel are the sheep who follow Him no matter what. that is certain but sometimes I wonder if the lost tribes of Israel that are scattered throughout the world are not the believers in Christ of today. God calls who he wants, I wonder sometimes if God calls everyone or perhaps also the lost tribes of Israel who today do not know they are part of the lost tribes. Pure speculation on my part here I do not pretend to know who God calls but I wonder. we are in the end times and God will recall the lost tribes and prepare the way for them all to rejoin the promised land it is clear in end times prophecy.

Blessings

all i know is MANY are called all right but few be chosen . For though he called they did not answer .
Look again at the Old testament and in the days of even the rebellion of Jerusalem .
FOR THOUGH he sent the prophets to warn , many WOULD NOT heed that call for to repent and thus desruction came upon them .
THEN look again
FOR THOUGH they called and warned men to repent and to BELIEVE on JESUS they did heed that call .
THEN you willl see and will know and understand
THE FAULT be always on the created and not THE CREATOR .
A man was at his ends whits the other day and could not understand why God allows
such harsh things to come upon even children and women and men . HE talked about
the murders of this world , the crimes .
WHEN he sat silent , when had finished h is speech . FOR he was far elder than i at almost eighty .
A real simple answer FROM THE ALLMIGHTY came to me to give to him .
And i told him the very reason all of this happens and cometh upon this world
is due to
MAN ATE THAT APPLE . AND GOD had warned HIM NOT TOO . the curse came my friend .
The creator is NEVER to be blamed . Blame the created . WE ALL have sinned so its not like we can say
we were not part of this whole mess . BUT LETS T HAN:K GOD for CHRIST JESUS shall we .
JESUS said WHY men would not come to him . And what a man loveth that he surely will c ling too my friend .
The blame is never on GOD . It be on man . And if anything we ought to be THANKING GOD
for WHAT HE DID for us IN CHRIST JESUS .
Just a friendly reminder to us all .

 

[amigo de christo]

“16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. ”
Colossians 2:16-17 KJV

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so LET no man THEREFORE DO SO . judge not in meat , or in drink , or in respect of a h olyday , or of the new moon
or of the sabbath days .
And rather Be fully persauded in his or her own mind .
THIS whole d ebate about meats drinks and days ought never have been done .
If a man desires to eat or to eat not , SIMPLY do as the one who bids you to come to his h ouse do .
EAT what is set before you . eat as he do . Let not the weaker perish . Even those who beleive as did paul
AS DO I , should simply not let our liberty be A stumbling block to the other . NOR let the other
JUDGE those who do eat , or etc . THIS has b een a waste of time my friend .
I have zero problems with any who honors any day . My only problem are with those who judge over meats drinks and days
OR those who let their liberty BE a stumbling block to the weak . meaning THOSE who believe as they do , as did paul ,
ought not to put such a stumbling block unto those who eat not or etc . RATHER
when it cometh to meats and to drinks and days , DO as the other does upon whom you are meeting with
AND JUDGE NOT any who dont do as you do either . ONL Y concerning meats drinks and days . NOT SIN .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes Amigo, the real Israel are the sheep who follow Him no matter what. that is certain but sometimes I wonder if the lost tribes of Israel that are scattered throughout the world are not the believers in Christ of today. God calls who he wants, I wonder sometimes if God calls everyone or perhaps also the lost tribes of Israel who today do not know they are part of the lost tribes. Pure speculation on my part here I do not pretend to know who God calls but I wonder. we are in the end times and God will recall the lost tribes and prepare the way for them all to rejoin the promised land it is clear in end times prophecy.

Blessings

speculation is best kept speculation . As i myself have learned over time .
LET us simply teach what we KNOW is TRUTH .
And HERE IS TRUTH . every man and every woman , whether jew or whether gentile
That denies JESUS IS THE CHRIST
or if they do cliam HE is and yet follow some sin accepting even unbelief accepting jesus
OH THEY GONNA WAIL with no mercy given ON JESUS DAY . LEST of course they repent .
And that my friend is a solid fact .
For a man who denies HE is the CHRIST , IS an ANTI CHRIST
and a man who cliams HE is the CHRIST and yet the jesus they love and follow CONTRADICTS THE TRUE JESUS and HIS WORDS
MUCH WAILING WILL BE HEARD BY SUCH ON HIS DAY . And that is again a serious and very dire grave reminder
WHICH IS absolutely TRUE .
For both they who denied HIM as CHRIST
and they who lipped his name but followed another jesus , WILL be told . DEPART FROM ME INTO EVERLASTING FIRE
YE workers of INQUITY . I NEVER KNEW YOU . OH that is a solid f act love yeshua .
SO now let us ensure we LOVE YESHUA and some other version of THIS christ which IS NO CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

NEWSFLASH to this wicked inclusive religoin .
JESUS DOES NOT HONOR SIN OR UNBELEIF .
GOD DOES NOT HONOR SIN OR UNBELIEF .
AND believe me when i say YOU CANNOT PIT THEM ONE AGAINST THE OTHER .
FOR the WORD was with GOD and was GOD and did become flesh and dwell amongst them all .

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm flabbergasted. I'm sitting here shaking my head at such biblical illiteracy. Twisting the entire nuance of James's text in order to defend tradition.

So committing the actual deed is no longer an offence against God? Only thinking about it is offensive?

This people does not know , does not understand and thus cannot truly defend their own position .
But know this braklite . MANY will surely and sorely WAIL on JESUS day
and within even the many of those many will many have been sitting in a church or two .
SOMEONE is being DENIED brakelite . And that someone BE GOD and BE HIS CHRIST.
And for more info on these inclusiviains who always try and pit their jesus against the GOD of the old test
and against the JESUS in the new test . I GOTS A NEWFLASH .
THAT be A LIE . GOD WILL NEVER , CHRIST WILL NEVER , honor sin and UNBELEIF .
And that my friend is a fact that many even in wool are gonna face and shudder WHEN THEY SEE HIM ON HIS DAY .
SO please allow me to repeat a real simple message i have b een preaching for years to this people
who so love to follow men .
BETTER BIBLE UP . BETTER FLEE anything to do with INCLUSIVE ecumeincal interfaith . cause boy oh boy
has it and is it leading them all to a day wherein they beleive they shall attain PEACE N SAFETY .
ONLY their peace n safety gonna be THEIR OWN SUDDEN DESTRUCTION
BY the very GOD and EVEN CHRIST they thought their love and peace plan and unity and finding common ground
DENIED . BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY GOD IS VERY LONG SUFFERING .
BELIEVE ME when i also say HE has always DESIRED OBEIDANCE . for man TO BELIEVE HIM to walk IN FAITH .
but many seem to believe what MEN say about him . AND THAT will be their own END on HIS DAY .

 

[amigo de christo]

AWESOME and i AGREE

IMPORTANT: In Revelation, it is only the Mark of the Beast that we are WARNED not to partake in, along with idols.

There is no commandment given by the LORD or the Apostles against gathering on Sunday

SAME as = There is no commandment given by the LORD or the Apostles that saturday must be kept according to the law of Moses.

CHRIST came to fulfill the law because no man and no religious movement(SDA,RCC) is able to keep the law as required by God.

GOD wants our faith to be wholly holy unto CHRIST and His commandments so that the 2nd Promise of the FATHER can come to you.

If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.
And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever— the Spirit of Truth.
The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
But you do know Him, for He abides with you and will be in you.

And what is THIS MARK TIED TOO my friend . IS it LOYALTY TO GOD
OH of course not . IT was loyalty to the man of .....................LAWLESNESS and of INQUITY .
OF anti christ of many anti christs .
HIS RELIGOIN to merge all the false religoins as well as christendom and the world
to become one to find common ground under guise of a common purpose . IS THE INCLUSIVE RELIGOIN
of whom the HARLOT OF ALL HARLOTS and whore of all rebellion has sold
t hrough her ecumeincal cup of intefaith of anti christ false love and peace .
IOW or in other words , WE GOT A MASSIVE PROBLEM david . WE not because the sheep do
but b ecause the LIE has come and even taken more and more of what CALLS ITS SELF of CHRIST .
THINGS are not looking good by a long shot david . MANY now love the inclusive god
who once tempted eve to eat of that tree and said HAS GOD REALLY SAID .
And beleive me when i say that b e no god that can save any . He be the god of bondage and death .
AND HE WILL NOT SET and CANNOT set the captives free . BUT HE DARN SURE CAN LIE
and present another jesus , one that ALSO NEVER WILL SET the captives free but leads them only
father into rebellion against the GOD and HIS CHRIST that could have surely set them free .
GOD IS , CHRIST IS on TRIAL in these inclusive sold out devil loving places . BUT THEY THINK they LOVE GOD
NO sir . And by the scriptures and by their actions i can PROVE with no doubt they do not .
FOR had they loved GOD they would have loved HIS CHRIST would have loved HIS WORDS
and thus preached HIS WORD , preached repentance and the wicked had repented , REPENTED of his sins .
BUT THIS entity and all connected into WONT DO THAT .
NO SIR . they preach ACCEPTANCE OF SINS by means of a false love and another jesus . AND THEY PROMISE
this wicked people LIFE and none , i repeat NONE does repent of his wicked ways . AS with the jew
SO NOW WITH CHRISTENDOM . there really is nothing new under this ol sun at all .

 

[amigo de christo]

YES - HE did

Now before you think ol amigo might sound a bit too scary , a bit too grave and perhaps needs to maybe tone it down a little .
WHAT YA THINK and HOW YA THINK they gonna feel on JESUS DAY WHEN ALL STAND BEFORE HIM . only THEN ITS TOO LATE .
And if we thinks ol amigo is too concerned with the walks of others , too concerned with warning men to repent
Too grave .
WELL i say to all , OPEN BIBLE and lets read HOW JESUS viewed sin and rebellion and HOW when sin and error was seen
HE never agreed to disagree . NO HE CORRECTED IT and even warned GO and SIN NO MORE lest something
EVEN WORSE cometh upon you .
AND then watch how the apostels acted , and WHO they preached and HOW THEY WARNED
against UNBELEIF IN THIS CHOSEN SAVOIR .
THEN look at their letters to the churches . LOOK closely , real closely
and ye shall see how they d ealt with sin and warned against it EVEN IN THE CHURCHES .
AND then , when one has read it many times , they will say to themselves
HEY we need to get this amigo who warns TO STEP IT UP MORE , cause he falls far short OF HOW EVEN THE APOSETLS
warned against sin . IN OTHER WORDS , IT IS B IblE TIME in the house for all .
IF a man wants to know whether i speak the truth or whether i lie
or exaggerate , ITS JUST OPEN THY BIBLE and LEARN WELL THEM WORDS .
THEN if i am in error COME and show me this error THROUGH that well learned doctrine .
BUT if i am speaking the truth , THEN ITS TIME TO JOIN THIS WEE SHEEP
cause i needs me some help warning this people . WE GOT A HO on the loose my friend .
And that HO plays dirty and lies and feeds off the sensual emotions of the people . to lead them only farther and farther
FROM THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN SAVE THEM . and that aint me , I MEAN JESUS. I SPEAK OF JESUS .
Too many now follow another jesus . And its just not gonna be able to deliver them
FROM THE WRATH OF JESUS who will soon tread the winepress of the wrath of GOD upon all who loved and had made a lie

 

[amigo de christo]

YES - HE did

Now my friend what is a lie .
ANYTHING that calls GOD a liar .
And if he calls His words a lie , THEN IT DO CALL THE AUTHOR and INSPRIRER of THEM WORDS , WHICH BE GOD , A Liar .
Pretty simple if you ask me .
SO the motto of a sheep is , LET GOD be TRUE but every man a liar .
AND SEEING GOD IS TRUE , SEEING HE IS TRUTH , CHRIST IS TRUTH , WELL HIS EVERY WORD IS TRUTH .
cause A LIE cannot COME FROM THE TRUTH . T RUTH only begets TRUTH and not a lie .
But there is another who can appear very very friendly , as he did to eve , and say
with such a sweet souding tenor of love in his voice , HAS GOD REALLY SAID .
AND you can bet he then gonna say , NAY NAY and use a partial truth to do so . OH hims be a liar all right .
THE KEY IS , if any scripture, LOVELY AS IT IS and TRUE AS IT IS , IS BEING USED
to promote a lie . IT COMETH OF THE DEVIL HIMSELF , NOT GOD . surely NOT GOD , surely NOT CHRIST
surely NOT THE SPIRIT OF GOD . cause as i said , and i am sure I WAS NOT THE FIRST TO DO SO .
GOD IS TRUTH , CHRIST IS TRUTH , THE SPIRIT IS TRUTH . and believe me TRUTH dont beget a lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.

and he said that to those very ones who were FALSELY accusing HIM of breaking the sabbath .
AS if its a sin to make a man whole on the sabbath . A child itself if the eight day falls ON the sabath had to be cirumcised on the sabbath .
NOW if a man can be circumised on the sabbath , THEN WHY did they accuse him
FOR HEALING and making a man whole on the sabbath .
And while it was serious error for men to eat of the bread only for priests
HOW COME it was NOT SIN when david and his men ate of such bread . WHEN THEY WERE straving and had dire need .
Again it is not evil TO DO GOOD . They accused the desicples of JESUS for breaking the sabbath
cause they was HUNGRY and IN NEED . so again JESUS reminded them of david and his men .
THE PROBLEM IS , WHEN RIGHTEOUSNESS is of self they eyes can never see clearly on how to judge and to discern .
BUT the eyes and ears of a sheep surely can . FOR JESUS IS its eyes and ears , well in a sense of course .
I MEAN HE GIVETH THEM EARS TO HEAR and eyes to see and a heart to discern .
MANY judge many for all the wrong reasons brakelite and yet even they KEEP NOT THE LAW
but simply desire to have converts to their religoin . Just a real friendly reminder to us all today .

 

[David in NJ]

Yes Amigo, the real Israel are the sheep who follow Him no matter what. that is certain but sometimes I wonder if the lost tribes of Israel that are scattered throughout the world are not the believers in Christ of today. God calls who he wants, I wonder sometimes if God calls everyone or perhaps also the lost tribes of Israel who today do not know they are part of the lost tribes. Pure speculation on my part here I do not pretend to know who God calls but I wonder. we are in the end times and God will recall the lost tribes and prepare the way for them all to rejoin the promised land it is clear in end times prophecy.

Blessings

I had to remove my 'love' to this post because i read it wrong.

I thought you said: "I wonder if the lost tribes of Israel that are scattered throughout the world ARE BELIEVERS"

In fact, ALL Blood washed saints become part of the Twelve Tribes of CHRIST, for CHRIST is the Israel of God = Revelation ch7

ALSO

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes of the Dispersion:
Greetings.

KEEP in you mind that the HOLY SPIRIT is the AUTHOR
Moses, prophets, apostles, James = these are the men whom the AUTHOR "moved/inspired" to write what they wrote.

They did not fully understand the DEPTH of their writings

 

[amigo de christo]

I had to remove my 'love' to this post because i read it wrong.

I thought you said: "I wonder if the lost tribes of Israel that are scattered throughout the world ARE BELIEVERS"

In fact, ALL Blood washed saints become part of the Twelve Tribes of CHRIST, for CHRIST is the Israel of God = Revelation ch7

ALSO

James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes of the Dispersion:
Greetings.

KEEP in you mind that the HOLY SPIRIT is the AUTHOR
Moses, prophets, apostles, James = these are the men whom the AUTHOR "moved/inspired" to write what they wrote.

They did not fully understand the DEPTH of their writings

that was a good catch my friend . i didnt quite see it that way . i thought he might mean
those who were going to be believers . BUT YOu are right my friend . NO BELEIVER IS LOST . its only the UNBELIEVER who is lost .

 

[Angelina]

@shepherdsword included on this question

Angelina, you keep mentioning "how does this apply to Gentile believers" as if there is a separate set of commandments for the Jews in Christ that does not apply to the Gentiles in Christ.

Is this taught in the Gospel and/or by the Apostles?

If you believe it is, please post the scriptures that clearly state such - thank you

@David in NJ , no I do not believe there are two different gospels, two different Gods, or two different standards of salvation for Jews and Gentiles. Salvation is through Christ alone for both Jew and Gentile alike.

My point is that the New Testament itself repeatedly addresses the question of how Gentiles are incorporated into the covenant people of God and which covenant obligations are applied to them under the new covenant.

That is precisely why Acts 15 took place. The apostles were specifically discussing what obligations should be placed upon Gentile believers coming into Christ. Paul also repeatedly addresses Jew/Gentile covenant questions throughout Romans and Galatians.

So my distinction is not: “one law for Jews and another for Gentiles.”

My distinction is: “How do Christ and the apostles apply covenant obligations within the new covenant church?”

That is why I continue to examine apostolic instruction carefully, particularly where the New Testament directly addresses Gentile inclusion and covenant practice.

 

[Angelina]

You are correct. Paul addressed several things that were innate Jewish traditions bound by OT law. Circumcision, feast days, annual sabbaths etc. And they was a great deal of opposition from the Jewish leaders in every town Paul visited, and they stirred up much opposition against the apostles by using anything and anyone they could to dissuade the people from hearing him. Yet not once in all of scripture is there even a hint of Pharisaical objections to any discontinuance of the observation of the 4th commandment.

@Brakelite. That is a fair observation, and I agree the New Testament records significant controversy surrounding circumcision, food laws, and Gentile inclusion.

I also agree that we do not see an explicit Pharisaical controversy framed specifically as "Paul is teaching believers to stop observing the Sabbath.”

At the same time, I think the historical picture is more complex than simple discontinuance versus continuity. The earliest church was still deeply connected to synagogue life and Jewish rhythms, especially in the apostolic period.

So I do not dispute that Sabbath participation continued prominently among Jewish believers and even many Gentile God-fearers during that era.

Where I still hesitate is moving from historical continuity and practice to concluding that the apostles universally bound seventh-day observance upon all Gentile believers as a covenant requirement under the new covenant.

That is the distinction I have been trying to maintain throughout the discussion.

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ , no I do not believe there are two different gospels, two different Gods, or two different standards of salvation for Jews and Gentiles. Salvation is through Christ alone for both Jew and Gentile alike.

My point is that the New Testament itself repeatedly addresses the question of how Gentiles are incorporated into the covenant people of God and which covenant obligations are applied to them under the new covenant.

That is precisely why Acts 15 took place. The apostles were specifically discussing what obligations should be placed upon Gentile believers coming into Christ. Paul also repeatedly addresses Jew/Gentile covenant questions throughout Romans and Galatians.

So my distinction is not: “one law for Jews and another for Gentiles.”

My distinction is: “How do Christ and the apostles apply covenant obligations within the new covenant church?”

That is why I continue to examine apostolic instruction carefully, particularly where the New Testament directly addresses Gentile inclusion and covenant practice.

My Sister in Christ - Thank You

KEEP in your heart & mind that the HOLY SPIRIT is the AUTHOR of the Scriptures = 2 Peter 2:16-21
Moses, prophets, apostles, James = these are the men whom the AUTHOR "moved/inspired" to write what they wrote.

They did not fully understand the DEPTH of their writings

When you read the Scriptures, place aside who the earthly authors were and SEE it as One Book and One Author

When you do, even more will come to you from the Holy Spirit = as you believe every word

KNOW this -
#1 - CHRIST came and fulfilled the law on our behalf, for none of us ever could = Acts 15:10
#2 - CHRIST established One Covenant/One Law for both Jew & Gentile as is commanded in the Law of Moses = Exodus 12:43-51

And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the ordinance of the Passover: No foreigner shall eat it. 44But every man’s servant who is bought for money, when you have circumcised him, then he may eat it. 45A sojourner and a hired servant shall not eat it. 46In one house it shall be eaten; you shall not carry any of the flesh outside the house, nor shall you break one of its bones. 47All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land.
For no uncircumcised person shall eat it.
49One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.”


#3 - There is only One Body of Christ made up of Jew & Gentile that is in Christ
Ephesians chapter 2 & chapter 4

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances,
so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.
And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.
For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Dear Brother in Christ @LoveYeshua - a reminder

 

[Angelina]

My Sister in Christ - Thank You

KEEP in your heart & mind that the HOLY SPIRIT is the AUTHOR of the Scriptures = 2 Peter 2:16-21
Moses, prophets, apostles, James = these are the men whom the AUTHOR "moved/inspired" to write what they wrote.

They did not fully understand the DEPTH of their writings

When you read the Scriptures, place aside who the earthly authors were and SEE it as One Book and One Author

When you do, even more will come to you from the Holy Spirit = as you believe every word

KNOW this -
#1 - CHRIST came and fulfilled the law on our behalf, for none of us ever could = Acts 15:10
#2 - CHRIST established One Covenant/One Law for both Jew & Gentile as is commanded in the Law of Moses = Exodus 12:43-51

And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the ordinance of the Passover: No foreigner shall eat it. 44But every man’s servant who is bought for money, when you have circumcised him, then he may eat it. 45A sojourner and a hired servant shall not eat it. 46In one house it shall be eaten; you shall not carry any of the flesh outside the house, nor shall you break one of its bones. 47All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
48And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land.
For no uncircumcised person shall eat it.
49One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you.”


#3 - There is only One Body of Christ made up of Jew & Gentile that is in Christ
Ephesians chapter 2 & chapter 4

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances,
so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.
And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.
For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

@David in NJ, thank you for the thoughtful and gracious response. I agree completely that there is one body in Christ, one Spirit, one Lord, and one salvation for both Jew and Gentile.

I also agree that Scripture must ultimately be read as one unified revelation centered in Christ.

Where I still wrestle with the issue is not whether Jew and Gentile are one in Christ but how the apostles applied covenant practice within that unity under the new covenant.

For example, even within that unity, the apostles still had to address questions involving circumcision, food laws, table fellowship, and Gentile inclusion throughout Acts, Romans, and Galatians.

So my ongoing question has not been whether Gentiles belong fully to the people of God. I absolutely believe they do.

My question remains how the New Testament itself applies Sabbath observance covenantally within that one body under Christ.

 

[LoveYeshua]

that was a good catch my friend . i didnt quite see it that way . i thought he might mean
those who were going to be believers . BUT YOu are right my friend . NO BELEIVER IS LOST . its only the UNBELIEVER who is lost .

I meant that also ....

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ, thank you for the thoughtful and gracious response. I agree completely that there is one body in Christ, one Spirit, one Lord, and one salvation for both Jew and Gentile.

I also agree that Scripture must ultimately be read as one unified revelation centered in Christ.

Where I still wrestle with the issue is not whether Jew and Gentile are one in Christ but how the apostles applied covenant practice within that unity under the new covenant.

For example, even within that unity, the apostles still had to address questions involving circumcision, food laws, table fellowship, and Gentile inclusion throughout Acts, Romans, and Galatians.

So my ongoing question has not been whether Gentiles belong fully to the people of God. I absolutely believe they do.

My question remains how the New Testament itself applies Sabbath observance covenantally within that one body under Christ.

Acts is the transition period from the OT to the NT which brought in the Gentiles to be One with the Jews who came to MESSIAH

Even the apostles had to convene to discuss the OT prophecies as it applied to the NT in Christ.
The KEY was/is their submission to Christ, Prayer and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit = who then inspired them just as the OT prophets.

Therefore, Today, we have the Greatest amount of Revelation in the Holy Scriptures = but it can only be unlocked by the Holy Spirit

We can intellectualize all day long with SDA, RCC and so on..............but it is only thru faith in the Word and the Holy Spirit that reveals these things to us.

Listen to Christ here and notice what HE Said pertaining to the very Topic of this thread = Matthew 11:25-30

Watch how Christ makes this a THREE Part Revelation = for us who have the Spirit of Truth

1.) At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was well-pleasing in Your sight.

2.) All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

3.) Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”


SHALOM

 

[Angelina]

Acts is the transition period from the OT to the NT which brought in the Gentiles to be One with the Jews who came to MESSIAH

Even the apostles had to convene to discuss the OT prophecies as it applied to the NT in Christ.
The KEY was/is their submission to Christ, Prayer and the Baptism of the Holy Spirit = who then inspired them just as the OT prophets.

Therefore, Today, we have the Greatest amount of Revelation in the Holy Scriptures = but it can only be unlocked by the Holy Spirit

We can intellectualize all day long with SDA, RCC and so on..............but it is only thru faith in the Word and the Holy Spirit that reveals these things to us.

Listen to Christ here and notice what HE Said pertaining to the very Topic of this thread = Matthew 11:25-30

Watch how Christ makes this a THREE Part Revelation = for us who have the Spirit of Truth

1.) At that time Jesus declared, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because You have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was well-pleasing in Your sight.

2.) All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.

3.) Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”


SHALOM

Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this discussion.
I appreciate the tone and effort many have made to keep this focused on Scripture, even in disagreement

At this point the conversation has reached a stage where the key positions have been clearly and repeatedly articulated, and further replies are no longer producing new clarification but are beginning to cycle through the same arguments, rather than greater clarity, even when everyone involved is engaging in good faith.

I want to acknowledge the respectful tone many have maintained throughout, particularly in a topic that is clearly important to those involved. That is appreciated.

This thread is now closed. Grace and peace to all.

Angelina - Admin.