WHAT GOSPEL DID JESUS PREACH?

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You said:
"....the end of the world is the harvest when the wicked unbelieving Israel is separated from believing Israel; only believing Israel will enter the kingdom., then comes Armageddon..........."

I don't read that. When Jesus Christ comes in judgment, it will be all of humanity, for there is no difference with " Israel" ( assuming you mean jews) than anyone else. Why oh why does everyone want to exalt these people?
Jesus taught harvest to Israel not Gentiles. Gentiles are separated in Matthew 25, the wicked are separated from the just .The just Gentiles will enter the kingdom...............
[Matthew 25:32 KJV] "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:"
[Matthew 25:33 KJV] "And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left."
[Matthew 25:34 KJV] "Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:"
 
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The Bible says the kingdom will be given to Israel................[Daniel 7:18 KJV] "But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever."
[Daniel 7:22 KJV] "Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom."
[Daniel 7:27 KJV] "And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."
[Exodus 19:5 KJV] "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine:"
[Exodus 19:6 KJV] "And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."
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The Bible says the kingdom will be given to Israel................[Daniel 7:18 KJV] "But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever."

Well this is a perfect example of spiritual language. The saints of the most High ARE CHRISTIANS. The kingdom of God belongs to us. I don't know why you keep saying Israel. Israel as a nation means nothing as far as salvation is concerned. There will be a REMNANT of people from all nations.

The Israel of God is the body of Christ. That is a symbolic reference that runs throughout the Old Testament. That's what humanity needs to be.....Christians.
 
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WHAT GOSPEL DID JESUS PREACH?

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What basis do you have in saying the thousand years are symbolic. What is your critera for this determination?
The basis is the means by which we can discern what we read through the Holy Spirit:

1 Corinthians 1:10 : But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.

" The DEEP THINGS of God " is heavenly eternal things that God wishes to reveal to His people. That's why I speak out very much about getting trapped or spinning your wheels in earthly scenarios that have been cleverly brought in by the modern day Pharisees ( which Jesus warned us about).

You see, while the Christian zionist is frantically focusing on the " jewish people" for their "rapture" to take place, they mock us behind our backs as THEIR TALMUDUC AGENDA is coming to fruition. But to God be the glory, because He is in control.
The conclusion of this matter is:
Will you worship their " messiah" ( anti- Christ) when the tribulation period begins ( when Satan is "loosed") or will you be patiently waiting for THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
 

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The question is how do you know what is literal?
I take it all literally. I can discern what is symbolic/figurative by either being told.........................[Galatians 4:24 KJV] "Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar."
[Romans 5:14 KJV] "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come."........................I can also see by reason.............[John 10:7 KJV] "Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep."......He cant be a door
You said: " I take it all literally."
I hope and pray that that changes.
 

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Well this is a perfect example of spiritual language.
I hear this alot, spiritual language
Spiritual language is a way of dismissing scripture thats contrary to established beliefs or isnt liked. You can say this scripture doesnt say what it says, its spiritual language and spiritual language says this scripture pertains to something else other than what it says, in fact what I want it to say
 

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The basis is the means by which we can discern what we read through the Holy Spirit:
The basis should be what you read on the page.

[1 Corinthians 2:9 KJV] "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."
[1 Corinthians 2:10 KJV] "But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God."...............You cited v10. God reveals "the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."". I dont think he needs to reveal deep things about the simple easy to understand words thousand years.

What do you think the symbolic meaning of a thousand years is by the way?
 

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The basis should be what you read on the page.

[1 Corinthians 2:9 KJV] "But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."
[1 Corinthians 2:10 KJV] "But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God."...............You cited v10. God reveals "the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."". I dont think he needs to reveal deep things about the simple easy to understand words thousand years.

What do you think the symbolic meaning of a thousand years is by the way?
I believe that the " thousand year" reign of Christ is the completeness of time regarding God's salvation plan. This time began from the moment the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost and continues until the Holy Spirit is lifted from earth which begins the period of great tribulation.

The time of Great tribulation is when Satan is no longer " bound" ( spiritually of course) from interfering with the salvation of God's people. He now is given his short season of ruling as God. This means humanity will be solidly divided at that point. You will have those who were saved before the great tribulation and those who will worship Satan when he reveals himself, willingly I suppose. Is not unsaved humanity conditioned to do so already? Look at the music, the "entertainment" and the perverted morality in our society. Sodom and Gomorrah on steroids.

How much worse can it get?
 

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You said: " I take it all literally."
I hope and pray that that changes.a
You could spiritualize the whole Bible and make it null and void. The veracity of scripture would be impugned
 

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You could spiritualize the whole Bible and make it null and void. The veracity of scripture would be impugned
But I don't. When you compare scripture with scripture you can get a more definitive understanding of what God is teaching.
For example, if you take all the verses that contain the phrase " thousand years", and the word " thousand", you will see that there is a sense of fullness or completion to what is in view, rather than the actual or exact number 1,000.

I've listed the verses many times in the past, but I would hope that you look in your concordance and see for yourself. But this I can tell you. If this literal interpretation of " a thousand year" reign was a thing, you would definitely see it somewhere else besides Revelation 20. But you don't. We read in many verses Christ coming at the last day for JUDGMENT, followed by a NEW HEAVENS AND A NEW EARTH.

Nowhere else is there specific language of "a thousand years".
 

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I believe that the " thousand year" reign of Christ is the completeness of time regarding God's salvation plan. This time began from the moment the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost and continues until the Holy Spirit is lifted from earth which begins the period of great tribulation.

The time of Great tribulation is when Satan is no longer " bound" ( spiritually of course) from interfering with the salvation of God's people. He now is given his short season of ruling as God. This means humanity will be solidly divided at that point. You will have those who were saved before the great tribulation and those who will worship Satan when he reveals himself, willingly I suppose. Is not unsaved humanity conditioned to do so already? Look at the music, the "entertainment" and the perverted morality in our society. Sodom and Gomorrah on steroids.

How much worse can it get?
[Revelation 20:2 KJV] "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,".................You do recognize Satan will be bound. I dont think its correct to say he is bound before the tribulation. There is no mention of Satan being bound before Rev 20.............there is mention of the tribulation occurring before Rev20 and Satan being bound..............[Revelation 7:14 KJV] "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.".....................Armageddon happens at the end of the tribulation and appears before Rev20 and Satan being bound...................[Revelation 16:16 KJV] "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."
 

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[Revelation 20:2 KJV] "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,".................You do recognize Satan will be bound. I dont think its correct to say he is bound before the tribulation. There is no mention of Satan being bound before Rev 20.............there is mention of the tribulation occurring before Rev20 and Satan being bound..............[Revelation 7:14 KJV] "And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.".....................Armageddon happens at the end of the tribulation and appears before Rev20 and Satan being bound...................[Revelation 16:16 KJV] "And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."
Let me start here. You said: "Armageddon happens at the end of the tribulation and appears before Rev20 and Satan being bound.............."

Revelation 20:7 :
Now after the thousand years, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and he will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to the war, whose number is like the sand of the sea.

The battle of Armeggedon is the battle of Gog and Magog.

Satan is " bound" spiritually (He can't be physically bound). This means he is LIMITED in power. He cannot thwart God's salvation plan. However he can cause a lot of mayhem in this period of time. The full power of the devil will be given to him when the tribulation period begins. Imagine what the world will be like when this happens, as the Holy Spirit is no longer protecting the earth's inhabitants.

So the " thousand year " period in verse 7 is the "completeness of time" ( since God does not reveal the actual time) from the Cross to the tribulation period.

Actually he fell from heaven " into the earth" during Christ's earthly ministry.

Luke 10:18:
And He said to them, “I saw Satan having fallen like lightning out of heaven....

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What gospel did Jesus preach?

Did Jesus preach that he would die for our sins and rise for our justification?
Yes, but first some hints that that is the case:

Mat 1:21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

Luk 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

Luk 2:29 “Lord, now you are letting your servant depart in peace, according to your word;
Luk 2:30 for my eyes have seen your salvation
Luk 2:31 that you have prepared in the presence of all peoples,
Luk 2:32 a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to your people Israel.”

Luk 2:35 (and a sword will pierce through your own soul also), so that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed.”

Joh 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

From those passages, we see that Jesus is the Saviour, through whom will come salvation from sin, including to the Gentiles, and it will come through his suffering, as the Lamb of God.

Then those hints continue in Jesus's words:

Joh 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?”
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
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Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

So, within the context of the need to be born again in order to "see the kingdom of God," Jesus clearly states that he must "be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life." "Lifted up," of course, refers to his crucifixion. It is on that basis that then says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life," and that God sent him " in order that the world might be saved through him," by believing in his name.

There can be no other meaning that that of Jesus being crucified for the sins of the world and that those who believe will be saved and have eternal life.

That is the gospel.

Of course, all of that is consistent with what the Passover points to, what the sacrificial system points to, and what passages such as Isa. 53 clearly state.

But Jesus states more:

Joh 6:53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.
Joh 6:54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
Joh 6:56 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
Joh 6:57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so whoever feeds on me, he also will live because of me.
Joh 6:58 This is the bread that came down from heaven, not like the bread the fathers ate, and died. Whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”

Compare that with the institution of the Lord's Supper, which happened on the night prior to his crucifixion, on Passover:

Mat 26:26 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and after blessing it broke it and gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
Mat 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
Mat 26:28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Joh 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”
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Joh 8:28 So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.

Joh 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,
Joh 11:26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”

Joh 12:27 “Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? But for this purpose I have come to this hour.
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Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out.
Joh 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.”

There is more that could be said, but that is more than sufficient to show that there is only one gospel and that is what Jesus and the Apostles all taught, both to Jews and to Gentiles.

[Mark 1:14-15 KJV] 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus did not preach salvation by the cross, but rather, he preached the kingdom was at hand. This was the gospel Jesus preached.
Those are one and the same. You created a false dichotomy by making a distinction the Bible does not. Jesus absolutely did teach salvation by the cross, as I have shown, which is the same as saying that the kingdom was at hand.

God promised an earthly kingdom, in which, Jesus will reign from Jerusalem, sitting on David's throne......

Jesus sent the twelve apostles to preach the gospel of the kingdom as well.........[Luke 9:1-2 KJV] 1 Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases. 2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick............
Jesus's kingdom began with his presence, but was really inaugurated with his resurrection. It is what some refer to as the now but not yet--the inbreaking of his kingdom has started but will not come to its fullness until he returns and sin and evil are done away with forever.

Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom, which refutes the assertion that there is only one gospel.
Yes, he did, because there is only one gospel:

Act 14:21 When they [including Paul] had preached the gospel to that city and had made many disciples, they returned to Lystra and to Iconium and to Antioch,
Act 14:22 strengthening the souls of the disciples, encouraging them to continue in the faith, and saying that through many tribulations we must enter the kingdom of God.

Act 19:8 And [Paul] entered the synagogue and for three months spoke boldly, reasoning and persuading them about the kingdom of God.
Act 19:9 But when some became stubborn and continued in unbelief, speaking evil of the Way before the congregation, he withdrew from them and took the disciples with him, reasoning daily in the hall of Tyrannus.
Act 19:10 This continued for two years, so that all the residents of Asia heard the word of the Lord, both Jews and Greeks.

Act 28:23 When they had appointed a day for [Paul], they came to him at his lodging in greater numbers. From morning till evening he expounded to them, testifying to the kingdom of God and trying to convince them about Jesus both from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets.
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Act 28:30 [Paul] lived there two whole years at his own expense, and welcomed all who came to him,
Act 28:31 proclaiming the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ with all boldness and without hindrance.

The gospel of the kingdom is the gospel that Jesus died and rose again for the sins of the world, that whoever believes will have eternal life.
 

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Jesus and Peter preached the gospel of the kingdom
Jesus and Peter preached believing on his name
Paul preached the cross
So, basically, ignore everything Jesus said and just continue believing otherwise. Why is it that you don't want to address what Jesus clearly stated in John 3, that salvation is based on both his death (and resurrection) and believing in his name? Why continue to create this false dichotomy?

Look at what Peter preached:

Act 2:23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.

What was that plan of God supposed to accomplish?

Act 2:30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that he would set one of his descendants on his throne,
Act 2:31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
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Act 2:36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Act 2:38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Peter is clearly teaching that the cross is the basis for forgiveness of sins.

Act 3:18 But what God foretold by the mouth of all the prophets, that his Christ would suffer, he thus fulfilled.
Act 3:19 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,
Act 3:20 that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus,
Act 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the time for restoring all the things about which God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets long ago.

Act 4:10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well.
Act 4:11 This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone.
Act 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised Jesus, whom you killed by hanging him on a tree.
Act 5:31 God exalted him at his right hand as Leader and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.

Act 10:39 And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree,
Act 10:40 but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear,
Act 10:41 not to all the people but to us who had been chosen by God as witnesses, who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead.
Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.
Act 10:43 To him all the prophets bear witness that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

Again, connecting Jesus's death and resurrection to the forgiveness of sins and salvation. But also clearly stating that "the time for restoring all things" was not yet.

And when Peter reported that to the council in Jerusalem:

Act 11:17 If then God gave the same gift to them as he gave to us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God's way?”
Act 11:18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”

And, again, repeating that instance when Paul and Barnabas went up to Jerusalem:

Act 15:7 And after there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness to them, by giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us,
Act 15:9 and he made no distinction between us and them, having cleansed their hearts by faith.


What Philip taught about Isa. 53:

Act 8:32 Now the passage of the Scripture that he was reading was this: “Like a sheep he was led to the slaughter and like a lamb before its shearer is silent, so he opens not his mouth.
Act 8:33 In his humiliation justice was denied him. Who can describe his generation? For his life is taken away from the earth.”
Act 8:34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?”
Act 8:35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.


As for Paul:

Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
Rom 10:11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”
Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.
Rom 10:13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

There is no difference from what Jesus taught--both believing in all that Jesus is and in his death and resurrection.

There was and is only one gospel. The very same message, the very same gospel, has always been preached to both Jews and Gentiles.

How could the cross and the prophetic earthly kingdom be the same?
The kingdom of God refers to the coming kingdom, which was inaugurated through Jesus's death and resurrection. That was the good news Jesus preached. Why is that hard to understand?

The kingdom of God includes heaven and earth
Paul preached the heavenly kingdom
Why ignore what Luke said Paul was teaching, which was the kingdom of God, even connecting it to "the word of the Lord" and "teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ"? It's all one and the same.

Again, there has only ever been one gospel which was taught by Jesus and all the Apostles, including Paul. I don't understand how you, or anyone, cannot see that it is all one and the same message. Jesus's death and resurrection are efficacious for our salvation because of who he is. If he wasn't God in the flesh, then his death and resurrection accomplished nothing and there is no salvation.
 

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The irony is that, to this form of Christianity, Jesus is irrelevant. Except as an atoning sacrifice.
Precious friend, The Lord Jesus Christ Is Not irrelevant, according to our Grace apostle:

"If any man teach otherwise, and consent not To Wholesome Words, Even The Words of our
Lord Jesus Christ, and To The Doctrine Which is according to godliness;" (1 Timothy 6:3 AV)​
[ found in Romans Through Philemon ]​
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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
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The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

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