What is Freedom?

[Ziggy]

This isn't about a location.
It's global. Any place where people lord over other people and put them in servitude, is no more or less criminal.
It is the same, just different degrees.
Stop trying to disect it as to who is better or worse.
That's the game they want us to play.

If you want to play THAT game, go make another thread.
Hugs

 

[farouk]

You guys think you have it pretty bad here in America ?
Try living in China, Afghanistan or North Korea.

Not in the US, but yes we have a lot to be thankful for...

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

Seriously? You’re comparing us and our values with regimes who have no respect for individual rights?

"Our" values as in the Constitution or the values of the left who are trying to take over?

It’s your opinion but I think your perception slider is too skewed on one end. My slider is somewhat in the middle.

My slider is based on real world actual experience, yours?

Even when I lived in Europe I missed all the things that are easy in America which we take for granted.

Nowhere near a comparison

 

[GaryAnderson]

My slider is also based on real world experience which is odd how you don’t value USA after seeing hardships in other countries.
But different opinions make life interesting I guess.

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

My slider is also based on real world experience which is odd how you don’t value USA after seeing hardships in other countries.
But different opinions make life interesting I guess.

On the contrary, I do value it and fight against the left at every chance I get. What have you actually done to preserve the "American Way of Life"?

 

[GaryAnderson]

On the contrary, I do value it and fight against the left at every chance I get. What have you actually done to preserve the "American Way of Life"?

I try to fight against the extreme right to keep America safe but I think in the long term we will end up like Rome, too divided and overstretched militarily. But as we exist now, we’re 10 times better than many nations on earth.

 

[Ziggy]

This isn't a LEFT OR RIGHT THREAD.

If your tryin to PIZZ me off your doing a good job

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

try to fight against the extreme right to keep America safe

So that makes you part of the problem- How do you reconcile the "left ( far and middle) with any Christian values whatsoever?

What exactly do you mean by "keep America safe"?

 

[farouk]

This isn't a LEFT OR RIGHT THREAD.

If your tryin to PIZZ me off your doing a good job

@Ziggy In the world the conflict is basically spiritual rather than political, right? (indeed, the same could be said of the conflict within). Ephesians 6....

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

In the world the conflict is basically spiritual rather than political, right?

I would argue the spiritual has largely aligned itself with the politics and the results of the spiritual influence are being played out in the flesh

 

[Ziggy]

@Ziggy In the world the conflict is basically spiritual rather than political, right? (indeed, the same could be said of the conflict within). Ephesians 6....

See how easy it is for people to control your feelings even when you least expect it.

How do you avoid the conflict?

Just walk away I guess.

I'll just start another thread.
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[GaryAnderson]

So that makes you part of the problem- How do you reconcile the "left ( far and middle) with any Christian values whatsoever?

What exactly do you mean by "keep America safe"?

I don’t think so. I’m part of the solution. Just like you think you are part of the solution.
I don’t see any problem with the left and Christianity. I go to church, pray and the left is not prohibiting me.

I keep America safe from violent terrorism of the extreme right.

 

[farouk]

See how easy it is for people to control your feelings even when you least expect it.

How do you avoid the conflict?

Just walk away I guess.

I'll just start another thread.
Hugs

@Ziggy I'll post a picture on the other thread....

 

[GaryAnderson]

@Ziggy it’s just a discussion in a public forum. It’s hard to predict where the convo will go. In my topics I’ve seen many off topic comments and it’s okay. It’s a public forum.

 

[Ziggy]

@Ziggy it’s just a discussion in a public forum. It’s hard to predict where the convo will go. In my topics I’ve seen many off topic comments and it’s okay. It’s a public forum.

It's my thread.
It is intended to discuss how to free oneself from oppresive slavery of manmade rules.
You both just want to play ping pong.
Go play somewhere else
Thank you

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

I don’t see any problem with the left and Christianity. I go to church, pray and the left is not prohibiting me.

So you see no problem with the left who :
Deny's God and Jesus for the sake of diversity and inclusion and restricts usage of even His word?
Promotes murder of the unborn?
Promotes all manner of evil?
Promotes violence ( especially "mostly peaceful violence")?
Promotes values directly in contradiction with Gods written word?

I keep America safe from violent terrorism of the extreme right.

Give me ONE example of this "violent terrorism" of the extreme right? (I don't mean a made up one)

When did the Westboro Baptist Church ever blow anything up or behead people?

 

[GaryAnderson]

It's my thread.
It is intended to discuss how to free oneself from oppresive slavery of manmade rules.
You both just want to play ping pong.
Go play somewhere else
Thank you

So our discussion is actually on-topic. How is America oppressive compared to North Korea for example? Do you know what’s it like to live in a communist system? I do actually.
So now the question is, do you want to discuss these ideas on a forum or do you just want to post for those who agree with you?

 

[Ziggy]

@An Apologetic Sheepdog @GaryAnderson

Is it possible for you both to walk away from either the left or right ideology and think for yourselves beyond political affiliation?
Or are you both so enslaved by the political divide that you must take part of the dog and pony show?

 

[An Apologetic Sheepdog]

It is intended to discuss how to free oneself from oppresive slavery of manmade rules.

Respectfully Ziggy, that is what I am discussing (granted I didn't mean specifically to focus on the American Left but that is where they are trying to take us)

 

[GaryAnderson]

So you see no problem with the left who :
Deny's God and Jesus for the sake of diversity and inclusion and restricts usage of even His word?
Promotes murder of the unborn?
Promotes all manner of evil?
Promotes violence ( especially "mostly peaceful violence")?
Promotes values directly in contradiction with Gods written word?



Give me ONE example of this "violent terrorism" of the extreme right? (I don't mean a made up one)

When did the Westboro Baptist Church ever blow anything up or behead people?

I see a problem with abortion, diversity without qualifications and some other values contradicting God. I see no problem with “promoting evil” , “violence” etc.

As far as giving you examples of extreme right, I won’t because you’re entrenched in your position just like I am in mine.
We have sides to pick and this side is mine.

In this side we don’t believe America is comparable to North Korea.