What is means to be Lord, and God

[Karl Peters]

1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Now this does not mean a person can't "Parrot" the statement that Jesus is Lord; as if just saying 'Jesus is Lord' like you hear going around at church, means you know Him as your Lord. It is a confession, if you like, that you get instructions from Him. A "lord" is someone in a position to give you instructions and does that!

For example; You might live in a kingdom where there is a king over the kingdom. That king would king over the land and might send out laws that everyone has to obey, but you call him king until you come into positions of coming face to face with him. Then your tune changes to your majesty. If you continue on to work regularly around him and get instructions from regularly you are going to start calling him your lord. Maybe not directly to him, but to others who like you, have gotten to know him as the one giving instructions to those in the house of the king. In fact, if you got to be pretty good friends with the king, because you get instructions from him everyday, then you might just start calling him lord. That would happen because a lord is someone who give you instructions!

For the same reason, a master of a house you live in might be called lord. He is the one giving instructions to you, and I don't just mean he is just writing laws to be obeyed, but he personally gives instructions to those under him.

Now there might be a house of lords, which give people instructions when they come before them, and perhaps they also write laws, just like a king, yet they are not your lord unless you are living under their authority. A rebel, who is fighting against the king and under someone else, does not count the king they are fighting against as their lord. Their lord is the one leading the rebellion. Oh they might still call the king, the lord, but it is really a sarcastic statement, because they are not saying that are getting instructions from him anymore. So they might "parrot" the word "word" but they don't mean it!

Ours is a confession that Jesus Christ is Lord!!

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

So don't mistake saying Jesus is Lord, is the same as "parroting" that Jesus Christ is Lord!!

And the thing is that Jesus said He would never leave you and we read that His word (what He speaks to you) is always near you!! So we are actually hearing the King of kings daily!! We are getting instructions from the Lord of lord personally every day called "Today".

So, He is the big guy!! The King of kings. The Lord over all lords!! His Father put Him in charge of all things!! He is the King in the Kingdom of God!!

I write this because some people think there is a Lord higher than Him!! But that can not be the case because He is the King of kings and Lord of lords. The Bible explains this - but it is explain specifically in the book of the Bible called "Revelation", so perhaps some still need to get that "Revelation"?

Rev 19:13 - 16 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

You can see He is the One who all the armies, which are in heaven, and clothed in fine linen, what and clean, follow Him! You can see that He is the "“KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”. And we can even see that He is The Word of God!

So Jesus Christ sits on the throne of God over the Kingdom of God, commanding the armies of God, with the words of God, and there are still some who don't think He is the Lord God.

Oh yeah - I know who they are! They are those in the rebellion!

 

[ElieG12]

Jesus called his Father "Lord of heaven and earth."

Matt. 11:25 At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. 26 Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved. ..."(Luke 10:21).

Paul said to Athenians:

Acts 17:24 "... The God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples; 25 nor is he served by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all people life and breath and all things. 26 And he made out of one man every nation of men to dwell on the entire surface of the earth, and he decreed the appointed times and the set limits of where men would dwell, 27 so that they would seek God, if they might grope for him and really find him, although, in fact, he is not far off from each one of us. 28 For by him we have life and move and exist, even as some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also his children.’
29 “Therefore, since we are the children of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and design of humans. 30 True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent. 31 Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

Some believers do not know the One whom Jesus calls "Lord of heaven and earth." We, true followers of Jesus, like Paul, know Him very well. Actually, talking about Him, Peter said:

Acts 2:36 "Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him [Jesus] both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed on a stake.”

 

[Karl Peters]

Jesus called his Father "Lord of heaven and earth."

Matt. 11:25 At that time Jesus said in response: “I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to young children. 26 Yes, O Father, because this is the way you approved. ..."(Luke 10:21).

Paul said to Athenians:

Acts 17:24 "... The God who made the world and all the things in it, being, as he is, Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in handmade temples; 25 nor is he served by human hands as if he needed anything, because he himself gives to all people life and breath and all things. 26 And he made out of one man every nation of men to dwell on the entire surface of the earth, and he decreed the appointed times and the set limits of where men would dwell, 27 so that they would seek God, if they might grope for him and really find him, although, in fact, he is not far off from each one of us. 28 For by him we have life and move and exist, even as some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also his children.’
29 “Therefore, since we are the children of God, we should not think that the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and design of humans. 30 True, God has overlooked the times of such ignorance; but now he is declaring to all people everywhere that they should repent. 31 Because he has set a day on which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed, and he has provided a guarantee to all men by resurrecting him from the dead.”

Some believers do not know the One whom Jesus calls "Lord of heaven and earth." We, true followers of Jesus, like Paul, know Him very well. Actually, talking about Him, Peter said:

Acts 2:36 "Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him [Jesus] both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed on a stake.”

I LIKE THE ABOVE POST!! I am not sure it clarified it all like it should. I am not sure it presents the Lord our God as One Lord! Too often it seems that we present our Lord's Father as the Lord, then Jesus as a lesser Lord, then perhaps some also point out that the Holy Spirit is also called Lord in the Bible. In so doing that we too often don't make it clear that the Lord our God is One Lord, and how that is. We also seem to fail to understand that Jesus Christ is the One the Father and the Holy Spirit want glorified!! So it is not about knowing the Father who Jesus calls "Lord of heaven and earth", but the Father made it about calling Jesus Christ Lord, and even gave Jesus the heavens and the earth, along with all things in order that His Son would be glorified!!



Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;

If you listen to the Jesus Christ via the Holy Spirit, you would know that He is one with the Father!! And you would even understand how that is!

Jn 17:21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

Mat 11:27 “All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

You would know that Jesus Christ does and says only what the Father tells Him, so that by listening to the Son you don't hear the words of the Son, but the words the Son has been given to Him by the Father to speak to you.

Jn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

We, none of us, has seen the Father except the Son! And none of us has heard the Father speak to them personally, except the Son. Yet anyone hearing the words of the Father heard them through the Son, because the very words of God were given to Him by the Father, and Jesus only says and does what the Father tells Him!

Jn 16: 13-15 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. “He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. “All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

Therefore we who listen to Jesus Christ, come to know that the Father has made Jesus Christ the Lord, and given Him "ALL THINGS INCLUDING THE WORDS OF GOD!! That is what we find out from the Holy Spirit who takes the words of God which belong to the Son and gives them to us. And Jesus explained this!!

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

So Jesus did the speaking, and the words He speaks are the words the Father gave to Him, so He owns them! The words of God are His!!

Therefore Jesus Christ is One with the Father and the Spirit, but it is the Son, Jesus Christ who has been glorified as our Lord! Even the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORD!!

And the Holy Spirit makes true believers aware of the fact that Jesus Christ is Lord!!

1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

But that is not what you are saying - so you are not hearing from the Holy Spirit!!

It is one thing for the Son to called His Father Lord, because the Son knows Him and He knows the Son. But it was His Father's good pleasure , desire, and His will that His Son, Jesus Christ, be glorified - which you are not doing!!

Hear is where you have it all wrong. You think the Father is your Lord, but He is not! The Father put Jesus Christ in charge are our Lord! So while the Father of Jesus Christ spoke to Him, and we are aware of that, the Father did not speak to you directly, but rather the Father spoke to His Son and made Him the "KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS" over all things the Father has - meaning you and me = and the heavens and the earth!! Why don't you know this - is it because you don't hear what comes through the Holy Spirit like David did?

Look closely at this verse. David knew that the Father spoke to his Lord, so the instructions that David got did not come to him through the Father, but from the Father to the Son, and were heard while in the Holy Spirit! And David's Lord was not the Father, but the Son!! Still, they all worked together as One Lord - the One God who we get are instructions from, but still it is the Son, Jesus Christ who the Father wants Glorified, and the Son who we need to listen to as our Lord! And the Lord our God is One Lord! And it is Jesus Christ who is Lord, just like we find out via the Holy Spirit!

Mark 12:36 “David himself said in the Holy Spirit, ‘THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD,
“SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I PUT YOUR ENEMIES BENEATH YOUR FEET.”'

 

[Karl Peters]

I know Jesus Christ the Son of God, but I don't know Jesus Christ the Son of God!

Let me explain. I will get up in the morning and Jesus Christ, as The Word of God, will start talking to Me. We often discuss things in the shower. And often He will ask me to take a walk with Him and we will talk some more. And I like reasoning with Him, because I learn a lot that way. And He asks me to ask Him questions, because He like talking to me too. So we know each other!

However, there is something I come to know about Him and that is that He never says a word to me that He did not get from His Father in heaven!! You can't talk with Him like this for 20 years like I have and not come to know this! Knowing Jesus means you come to know a person that will only tell you what His Father tells Him to say to you!!

There is a reason for that! The reason is that He honestly and completely does not think understanding the depths of God to be a thing that can happen - therefore He will only put forth to me what His Father tells Him!! That is actually humility to the extreme!! Even though He is the perfect image of the invisible God, He absolutely and completely does not consider His thinking to be above His Father's thinking at anytime, so He only says what He hears form His Father and that as instructed by His Father!!

That makes Him perfect and right in everything He does!! He is thus the only One ever to be completely righteous!! Not even the angels in heaven are like that. The angels do try and do what He tells them, because He (Jesus Christ) also rules over the angels in Him, per the wishes of His Father, still they do their best and are far from being perfect like Him! I know that because He also sends angels to minister to me and I know a number of them, like you might know a number of people at your church, but they are not people. They are all better than any person, but not even close to being Jesus Christ.

You see God counts those who are not rebellious but try to follow Him as righteous, even though our best efforts are not close to being perfect, and that includes the angels in heaven. It does not include the angels who fell, nor that people who don't even try and believe in Him.

So it is that I know the Son, but because I have never heard a word of His from Him, It really know what His Father wants me to know!! And it seems His Father wants me to know the person, His Son, who is perfect by perfectly listening to and doing only what the Father wants!

Now anyone can know Jesus Christ, and I guess not know Him at the same time. When you know Him you know like David did - which is the Lord talks to our Lord, but you don't know what Jesus might be thinking Himself, other than that He is thinking that He is only going to say and do what the Father tells Him. Therefore you know from listening to Jesus Christ that the Lord our God is One Lord, because all the words you get come from the Father, to the Son who now owns them, and that the Holy Spirit takes them and gives them to your spirit. That is how and why God is One Lord.

There is another interesting things in all that, God speaks to you via different persons. It is like someone speaking in the first person, second person, or third person. So the Father might send down words to the Son which sound like they are from the Father, or He might send down words to the Son which sound like they are from the Son, or He might send down words to the Son which sound like they are from the Holy Spirit. You can be sure they all are meant to glorify the Son, and you will come to understand that they all came from the Father, and even that the Holy Spirit is giving them to your spirit, but they will still comes across like the different persons of God. Sometimes the words from the Father to the Son and coming through the Holy Spirit even seem like they come through the Holy Spirit is kind of different ways - like say the Holy Ghost more than the Holy Spirit. And sometimes what you hear is more from the angels, even like many waters. Still for me,most of the time I get the small quite calm voice that I associate with the Son. And there is always the need to check the spirits - see 1 Jn 4:1-3, and I sometimes use 1 Cor 12:3.

It is easy to hear Him, Jesus Christ, but it is hard to believe that it is easy to hear Him. And when you hear from Him, your are hearing from the One Lord our God! That would be the person of Jesus Christ, because the Father made Him our Lord and our way to hear God. Nobody get to hear the words of the Father except through the Son!! So it is that the Son is OUR Lord, and OUR God, just like His Father wants it!

 

[ElieG12]

I know Jesus Christ the Son of God, but I don't know Jesus Christ the Son of God!

Let me explain. (...)

No need. You do not know Jesus, you do not know Jehovah (not "the Lord" ... that is not God's name).

Let me teach you who is Jehovah and who is Jesus:

1) Jesus was anointed by Jehovah: Psal. 2:1,2 and Acts 4:24-27;

2) Jesus was the prophet "Moses-like" that Jehovah had promised: Deut. 18:15-19 and Acts 3:22-24;

3) Jehovah sat Jesus Christ at His right hand when He raised him: Psal. 110:1 and Eph. 1:17-23;

4) Jehovah chose Jesus as High Priest in the manner of Melchizedek: Psal. 110:4 and Heb. 5:1-6;

5) Jesus is Jehovah's heir: Psal. 2:7,8 and Heb. 1:2;

6) Jehovah declared Jesus Christ as His Son: Psal. 2:7; Heb. 5:4,5.

You're welcome.

Hurry up ... or ... well, maybe you do not know either.
Check at John 17:3 to know.

 

[Robert Gwin]

1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.

Now this does not mean a person can't "Parrot" the statement that Jesus is Lord; as if just saying 'Jesus is Lord' like you hear going around at church, means you know Him as your Lord. It is a confession, if you like, that you get instructions from Him. A "lord" is someone in a position to give you instructions and does that!

For example; You might live in a kingdom where there is a king over the kingdom. That king would king over the land and might send out laws that everyone has to obey, but you call him king until you come into positions of coming face to face with him. Then your tune changes to your majesty. If you continue on to work regularly around him and get instructions from regularly you are going to start calling him your lord. Maybe not directly to him, but to others who like you, have gotten to know him as the one giving instructions to those in the house of the king. In fact, if you got to be pretty good friends with the king, because you get instructions from him everyday, then you might just start calling him lord. That would happen because a lord is someone who give you instructions!

For the same reason, a master of a house you live in might be called lord. He is the one giving instructions to you, and I don't just mean he is just writing laws to be obeyed, but he personally gives instructions to those under him.

Now there might be a house of lords, which give people instructions when they come before them, and perhaps they also write laws, just like a king, yet they are not your lord unless you are living under their authority. A rebel, who is fighting against the king and under someone else, does not count the king they are fighting against as their lord. Their lord is the one leading the rebellion. Oh they might still call the king, the lord, but it is really a sarcastic statement, because they are not saying that are getting instructions from him anymore. So they might "parrot" the word "word" but they don't mean it!

Ours is a confession that Jesus Christ is Lord!!

Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

So don't mistake saying Jesus is Lord, is the same as "parroting" that Jesus Christ is Lord!!

And the thing is that Jesus said He would never leave you and we read that His word (what He speaks to you) is always near you!! So we are actually hearing the King of kings daily!! We are getting instructions from the Lord of lord personally every day called "Today".

So, He is the big guy!! The King of kings. The Lord over all lords!! His Father put Him in charge of all things!! He is the King in the Kingdom of God!!

I write this because some people think there is a Lord higher than Him!! But that can not be the case because He is the King of kings and Lord of lords. The Bible explains this - but it is explain specifically in the book of the Bible called "Revelation", so perhaps some still need to get that "Revelation"?

Rev 19:13 - 16 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”

You can see He is the One who all the armies, which are in heaven, and clothed in fine linen, what and clean, follow Him! You can see that He is the "“KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”. And we can even see that He is The Word of God!

So Jesus Christ sits on the throne of God over the Kingdom of God, commanding the armies of God, with the words of God, and there are still some who don't think He is the Lord God.

Oh yeah - I know who they are! They are those in the rebellion!

So Jesus Christ sits on the throne of God over the Kingdom of God, commanding the armies of God, with the words of God, and there are still some who don't think He is the Lord God.

Who is He Karl? Your statement appears contradictory sir.

 

[Karl Peters]

Who is He Karl? Your statement appears contradictory sir.

Jesus is the One who only does and says what the Father tells Him- That is who He is!!

That is who you believe in- if you believe in Jesus!

That is who you come to know, if you know Jesus!

But since He does and says only what the Father tells Him, you never really know Him when you get to know Him!

When He took on flesh and walked this earth, His disciples got to know Him, of course!! But it did take a bit of explaining to them, before they understood.

Look closely at these verses, because they are explaining what I am explaining. They tell you who Jesus is, and not just was, because He is still this way. His disciples certainly walked with Him and knew Him, but in less than three years they got to know who He was better because this was explained to them!!

John 14: 6 - 11

Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”

Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

“Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

“Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.


He still does and says that type of thing to you when you get to know Him short while, like His disciples then also got to know Jesus! When you listen to Him, you listen to the Father, because He says and does only what the Father tells Him, and so He does not do or say anything to you of His owns words, not does He do anything around you because of His own ideas!!

When you get to know Him, you get to know that trait that He Has, even in Him.

What you don't understand, if you don't stand this about Him, is that we think we are smarter than God as seen by our actions! We men, all of us, have pride and we do not have the understanding that He has! He does not have such a pride, so He uses the free will He also got from His Father to do and say only what the Father tells Him. Even the angels in heaven, thought their understanding is far better than ours, don't have the understanding that Jesus has. And all this is what you come to understand when you get to know Him like His disciples were getting to know Him.

 

[ElieG12]

(...) Even the angels in heaven, thought their understanding is far better than ours, don't have the understanding that Jesus has. And all this is what you come to understand when you get to know Him like His disciples were getting to know Him.

I love this post of yours. It expresses exactly in what sense we can know God in Jesus' words and life. Jesus was near his Father, God, millions and millions of years before humans came to be created. He knows the Father very well and as that kind of Son, he can resemble Him to perfection, besides saying and doing what he was supposed to teach and accomplish in his mission on earth.

As a post note: reading that part I just quoted from you, I remember one of the reasons why some of us think Jesus is Michael:

Dan. 10:21 However, I will tell you the things recorded in the writings of truth. There is no one strongly supporting me in these things but Michael, your prince.

... about the understanding that no one but Jesus has, but that's a totally different topic.

 

[Karl Peters]

No need. You do not know Jesus, you do not know Jehovah (not "the Lord" ... that is not God's name).

Let me teach you who is Jehovah and who is Jesus:

1) Jesus was anointed by Jehovah: Psal. 2:1,2 and Acts 4:24-27;

2) Jesus was the prophet "Moses-like" that Jehovah had promised: Deut. 18:15-19 and Acts 3:22-24;

3) Jehovah sat Jesus Christ at His right hand when He raised him: Psal. 110:1 and Eph. 1:17-23;

4) Jehovah chose Jesus as High Priest in the manner of Melchizedek: Psal. 110:4 and Heb. 5:1-6;

5) Jesus is Jehovah's heir: Psal. 2:7,8 and Heb. 1:2;

6) Jehovah declared Jesus Christ as His Son: Psal. 2:7; Heb. 5:4,5.

You're welcome.

Hurry up ... or ... well, maybe you do not know either.
Check at John 17:3 to know.

What you did find out from any of that is that Jesus Christ is the Lord our God!!

The anointed One, Jesus Christ is the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OR LORDS!!! You don't know that Jesus Christ is One who comes as 'the word of the Lord, so that His name is called "The Word of God"!

That was what He was anointed to!!

If you knew Him, and were not of the rebellion, you would then know Him as THE LORD OUR GOD!! Like Moses did!

Ex 8:8 Then Pharaoh called for Moses and Aaron and said, “Entreat the LORD that He remove the frogs from me and from my people; and I will let the people go, that they may sacrifice to the LORD.”

Ex 8:10 Then he said, “Tomorrow.” So he said, “May it be according to your word, that you may know that there is no one like the LORD our God.

In the above verse, Moses was explaining the difference between Pharoh's version of the Lord and One we know as "The LORD OUR GOD!! Pharoh failed to understand that Jesus Christ is 'THE LORD OUR GOD" because we personally hear instructions from Him and talk to Him directly! Pharoh didn't hear from Our Lord Jesus Christ, so he did not understand. He had to get information from the Lord through Moses who did hear, but if even Pharoh understood he would have repented of his ways and sought Jesus Christ as "THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORD" for himself. But Pharoh, calling Him 'the Lord' did not mean Jesus Christ was His Lord, because he didn't combine it with faith in the Christ!

As Christian's, we know Jesus Christ is "THE LORD OUR GOD", because He speaks to us, just like it is written:

Jn 10:27 “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;

But you don't listen to Him and believe like Abraham did, or you would know that Jesus is "The LORD OUR GOD!" as in THE LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS! Yet you don't listen by faith, so you don't know what the annointing did and meant!! It meant that the Father had given all things over to His Son, and that because He loves His Son and the Son is faithful. Moses understood that, Abraham understood that, but you do not know! You are not proclaiming Jesus Christ as Lord!! But you are trying to separate the Father from the Son, and that will just get you death eternally, because you did not honor the Son, as His Father requires!!

Rom 10: 1-4 Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation. For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. For Christ is the ]end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Rom 10: 9 But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching, that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

From all your posting, that is what you did not do!! You fail to confess Jesus as Lord, even the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS! And that is because He is not "THE LORD OUR GOD" to you, but rather you sound like Pharoh - saying Lord but not confessing Jesus Christ as Lord, and not understanding the verses you post about the anointed!

So you don't listen to the Holy Spirit, and thus don't know that God (Father, Son, and Spirit) are One God!! And that because you don't believe in Jesus Christ and listen to Him! Faith comes from hearing a word from Him, but you don't hear from Him!

Rom10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

You just don't hear and believe in the word of the Lord who spoke to Abram and who Abram personally called the Lord God. So He is not your Lord and your God, like He is our Lord and our God!! And you can't even understand it, no matter how much we tell you about Jesus Christ!

Gen 15:1 - 2 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not fear, Abram, I am a shield to you; Your reward shall be very great. Abram said, “O Lord GOD, what will You give me, ...

You don't know Him, and don't know the He is the end of righteousness for all who believe! So you don't listen to Him, you the Father made One with Himself and placed over all things!! You don't know Him through whom all things were created!! So you don't even understand that Jesus Christ is Jehovah!! You are like the Pharisees who though He stood in front of them they didn't know Him.

You are not like Abraham, who listened to Him by faith and follow Him thus going to the land of Canaan. You are not like Moses who went and stood before Pharoh and spoke to Pharoh the words he got from the Lord our God. You are not like His sheep who hear His voice, which is the voice of God, and follow Him as the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS!

You don't even realize how easy it is to see the difference between us and you! We hear His voice and we follow Him, but you can't understand this - because you don't listen to Him by faith!! So you don't understand that He is the Lord our God and is One with God!!

And so you don't understand the Good News, and so don't accept it!! You simply will not seek Jesus Christ, THE ANNOINTED ONE WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD, THE ANNOINTED ONE, THE KING OF KINGS, THE LORD OF LORD, WHO IS ONE WITH THE FATHER AND SPIRIT OF GOD AND WHO HAS BE GIVEN ALL THINGS BY THE FATHER!

So no matter how much it is explained to you, and no matter how much you read the Bible, because you say that you can see you will remain blind to what is going on! If however ,a day comes before the day of judgement and you can get yourself to repent of your ways and seek His ways, then the Good News can even be acquired by you!

Rev 3: 19, 20‘Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline; therefore be zealous and repent. ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

That is the Good News!! That is that He still loves you and so he reproves you, even by all those he sends, so that you might be zealous for Him and repent of your ways and your understanding - so that you might realize that He has always been there trying to get you to hear from Him. You too are an "anyone", so you too could open up to Him and start listening to Him voice!! You don't have to be like Pharoah, who had to have Moses speak to the LORD OF LORDS for him. You don't have to be like the Pharisees who though Jesus was standing before them too, like He is standing at the door now, they did not know Him and who He was. You can be that "anyone" like us Christians who hear His voice and follow Him, and repent of you ways and turn to listening to His words of God that He has for you!!

 

[Karl Peters]

I love this post of yours. It expresses exactly in what sense we can know God in Jesus' words and life. Jesus was near his Father, God, millions and millions of years before humans came to be created. He knows the Father very well and as that kind of Son, he can resemble Him to perfection, besides saying and doing what he was supposed to teach and accomplish in his mission on earth.

As a post note: reading that part I just quoted from you, I remember one of the reasons why some of us think Jesus is Michael:

Dan. 10:21 However, I will tell you the things recorded in the writings of truth. There is no one strongly supporting me in these things but Michael, your prince.

... about the understanding that no one but Jesus has, but that's a totally different topic.

You still don't understand!! Jesus was not just "near His Father" He is in the Father and the Father was in Him!! Did you not read that???

Look closely at these verses, because they are explaining what I am explaining. They tell you who Jesus is, and not just was, because He is still this way. His disciples certainly walked with Him and knew Him, but in less than three years they got to know who He was better because this was explained to them!!

John 14: 6 - 11

Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”

Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

“Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

“Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.

 

[ElieG12]

Jesus has a God (Rev. 1:6; 3:12). He said whom the true worshipers should adore; he left a clear delimitation between his role and God's in our worship service:

John 4:21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him: “I know that Mes·siʹah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one comes, he will declare all things to us openly.” 26 Jesus said to her: “I am he, the one speaking to you.”

The New Testament writers were all Jews, and they considered God to be one, the Father. The idea of a "god-son" is foreign to original and true Christianity. That idea is part of the apostate church that arose later. That is the reason why we do not find anything clear about it in the NT or in any other part of the Scriptures ... but just the opposite.

 

[ElieG12]

AND PLEASE stop applying the expression "the Lord God" to Jesus, lying.

That expression is used in the Hebrew Scriptures because some translators didn't respect God's personal name, and sustituted it with "the Lord" ... but the real and original Hebrew expression is JEHOVAH OUR GOD.

 

[Karl Peters]

Jesus has a God (Rev. 1:6; 3:12). He said whom the true worshipers should adore; he left a clear delimitation between his role and God's in our worship service:

John 4:21 Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. 23 Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him: “I know that Mes·siʹah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one comes, he will declare all things to us openly.” 26 Jesus said to her: “I am he, the one speaking to you.”

The New Testament writers were all Jews, and they considered God to be one, the Father. The idea of a "god-son" is foreign to original and true Christianity. That idea is part of the apostate church that arose later. That is the reason why we do not find anything clear about it in the NT or in any other part of the Scriptures ... but just the opposite.

No the writers of the New Testament all understood, but many and most readers of the New Testament didn't understand, because they didn't combine their reading with listening to the Lord Our God!

Just look more closely at the verses even you quoted and talk to The Lord our God, Jesus Christ about them!!

Do you not read "Believe me, woman"????? So we have to put our faith in Him!!

And though I clearly wrote you about how He is in the Father and the Father in Him, and how The Lord our God is One, you still don't understand that worshiping the King of Kings and Lord or Lords is worshiping the Father, because you still don't understand that the Lord Our God is One Lord!!

I told you that you would not understand until you started seeking Him!! But you didn't believe what I wrote, or even what the writers of the Scriptures wrote, so how will you hear His voice?

Jn 5: 46,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

You don't understand that Moses was trying to get the Israelites to seek the voice of the Lord, but they didn't! John was trying to get the Jews to seek the voice of the Lord, but they didn't!! Jesus was trying to get "ANYONE" to listen to His voice, but most didn't!!

And He personally talk to me and has told me "Karl, I want you to preach the Word, but not as it is so often preached today. I want you to preach I AM THE WORD OF GOD" - and those words of His that got via His Holy Spirit speaking to my spirit, He got from the Father, but you still don't understand because you don't hear from Him. And so after that He gave me more information! He took me to Ezikiel 3 in the Bible and asked me to read. As I read He talked to me so I was reading what He had told Ezikiel and actually hearing Him talk to me at the same time! I was reading:

“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” nor to many peoples of unintelligible speech or difficult language, whose words you cannot understand. But I have sent you to them who should listen to you; yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate. “Behold, I have made your face as hard as their faces and your forehead as hard as their foreheads."

And He was telling me" Karl, I am not sending you to a people of foreign tongue or difficult speech, but I am sending you to those who should listen, but they will be unwilling to listen to you since they are unwilling to listen to Me. " And He continued to explain that like Ezikiel, He had made my head as hard as their heads so that they might be helped.

So, I ask you now and plainly - Are you going to start seeking Jesus Christ and the words that He has to speak to you or not???

I don't need to know that answer, and I hope to not know, but you need to absolutely start seeking Jesus Christ and His words to you!! They are the words of God!! He owns them, because the Father gives them to Him, thus making Jesus Christ, the Father's Son, One with the Father. And the Holy Spirit of God will take those words of God which belong to the Son of God, because the Father gave them to the Son, and the Holy Spirit will speak them to your spirit!!!

It is easy to hear from Him, but harder to believe that you can! Still, it only takes a little to get hearing Him! So I would suggest you start by asking Him little and easy to believe for questions - like, "Jesus Christ how to you feel about me?" or perhaps "Jesus Christ, is there anyone I need to forgive?", or perhaps "Jesus Christ is there anything you want to tell me?" - and then listen to what come to your spirit! Practice doing that, and keep doing that and you will come to know Jesus Christ and that He is the Word of God, that your faith is supposed to be in Him, that He and the Father are One, and that the Father has given Him all things, including you and I!!

I noticed you like Ps 2. but didn't understand. The Father declared to the Son, not you. You were not even around then. So the Father made that declaration known to you, but you did not hear it from His Father, but those who wrote even heard it through the Son! And so it was and is the Son who is our Lord and King, even the word of God!!


Ps 2:6,7 “But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”
“I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.

And from my Interlinear Bible I read - if I reverse it from right to left to left to right as we read:

But I have set My king on Zion Mount My holy. I will declare the statue of Jehovah

You think the Jehovah is the Father who set the Son on the Mountain, but the Father was saying that He was making a Law/statue/declaration that the Son was Jehovah!! You got it completely backwards!!

As can be seen in verse 11 which reads: act wisely be taught, O judges the earth, Serve Jehovah with fear, and rejoice with trembling Kiss the Son be He lest angry

The Son, is the King and so Jehovah whom we are to serve!! The Father declared it so, but you don't serve the Son because that requires listening to Him. And so you don't understand the Scriptures, because that too requires listening to Him!! It will cost you if you don't repent and turn to Him!

 

[ElieG12]

Take the time to read the biblical passages here:

1) Jesus was anointed by Jehovah: Psal. 2:1,2 and Acts 4:24-27;

2) Jesus was the prophet "Moses-like" that Jehovah had promised: Deut. 18:15-19 and Acts 3:22-24;

3) Jehovah sat Jesus Christ at His right hand when He raised him: Psal. 110:1 and Eph. 1:17-23;

4) Jehovah chose Jesus as High Priest in the manner of Melchizedek: Psal. 110:4 and Heb. 5:1-6;

5) Jesus is Jehovah's heir: Psal. 2:7,8 and Heb. 1:2;

6) Jehovah declared Jesus Christ as His Son: Psal. 2:7 and Heb. 5:4,5.

DO YOU KNOW WHY I am quoting a passage from the "Old Testament" and another one from the NT in each point?
BECAUSE when you read the OT passages you can see the name of Jehovah (YHWH or JHVH) in the original language, and in the NT passage you can see a reference to that OT passage, clearly stating that Jehovah is over Jesus and they should not be considered equals. Jesus stated it with total clarity:

John 14:28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am."

Now in heaven Jehovah is still Jesus' head:

1 Cor. 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.

It may not fit in the idea of a son-god, but it is what we can learn from the inspired Scriptures, the word of God.

 

[Karl Peters]

I see that I am posting on a forum that has "Christianity Board", but it is getting to feel like I am posting to Jehovah Witnesses. That wouldn't surprise me, because my Lord Jesus Christ has often had me ministering to Jehovah Witnesses. I can remember all the times the Lord told me to go here and there and as I did I kept running face to face with Jehovah Witnesses. They don't understand about hearing from Jesus Christ for the same reason I have had to explain on this thread.

I do know that that same issue in around the Christian church too, but even I am becoming surprised at how many here I run into that do not know Jesus Christ personally as their Lord and Saviour!

His sheep do hear His voice, and so they know that the Father has Him running the show, so to speak! The Father made the Son one with Him, gave the Son all things including the words of God and so nobody knows the Father except the Son and those who the Son chooses to show Him too.

So all those running around saying it is about knowing the Father, not the Son, are not doing the will of the Father and they don't know Him nor the Son!! They keep going around like the Jehovah witnesses, trying to witness about the Father when the Father didn't even make it possible for them to know Him. They have to seek the Son, Jesus Christ, and that is who Christians preach!! That is why Jehovah Witnesses are not Christians, and Christians are not Jehovah Witnesses! We witness the Son, Jesus Christ and so we preach Him, like His Father wants us to!

 

[ElieG12]

You are participating in a public biblical forum, where forumers share biblical information to help others.
This is not your church, and I won't say AMEN to any sermon but share some info I know to whom it may help.

 

[Karl Peters]

Take the time to read the biblical passages here:

1) Jesus was anointed by Jehovah: Psal. 2:1,2 and Acts 4:24-27;

2) Jesus was the prophet "Moses-like" that Jehovah had promised: Deut. 18:15-19 and Acts 3:22-24;

3) Jehovah sat Jesus Christ at His right hand when He raised him: Psal. 110:1 and Eph. 1:17-23;

4) Jehovah chose Jesus as High Priest in the manner of Melchizedek: Psal. 110:4 and Heb. 5:1-6;

5) Jesus is Jehovah's heir: Psal. 2:7,8 and Heb. 1:2;

6) Jehovah declared Jesus Christ as His Son: Psal. 2:7 and Heb. 5:4,5.

DO YOU KNOW WHY I am quoting a passage from the "Old Testament" and another one from the NT in each point?
BECAUSE when you read the OT passages you can see the name of Jehovah (YHWH or JHVH) in the original language, and in the NT passage you can see a reference to that OT passage, clearly stating that Jehovah is over Jesus and they should not be considered equals. Jesus stated it with total clarity:

John 14:28 You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

Now in heaven Jehovah is still Jesus' head:

1 Cor. 11:3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.

It may not fit in the idea of a son-god, but it is what we can learn from the inspired Scriptures, the word of God.

Yeah I know why you are trying to quote passage and turning them around backwards to try and point to the Father!!

It is because you don't know the Son personally! You fail to even realize that His Father wanted Him glorified, so put Him Jesus Christ in charge of all things!! So you don't seek the Son and listen to Him, like the Father instructs us to

Mat 17:5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”

And so you have not even heard that voice because only the close disciples of Jesus are brought to that mountain. You don't understand that the cloud was the Spirit of God. You don't understand how the Lord our God is One! You don't even realize that the Father declared by statue that Jesus Christ is the Jehovah you are looking for!! And you proved it all by coming back and writting to me instead of going to The Lord our God Jesus Christ and listening to Him!! Again proving that you are lawless, and not doing what the Father said, as recorded in the Bible!!


So REPENT OF YOUR WAYS - and start actually seeking Jesus Christ and what He will say to you!!

 

[ElieG12]

Yeah I know why you are trying to quote passage and turning them around backwards to try and point to the Father!!

(...)

Mmmmh, you don't seem to like the fact that in the original Scriptures it does not say "the Lord" but YHWH (JHVH, Jehovah).

I am helping you for your own good to accept the truth and stop "trying to quote passage and turning them around backwards to try and" make look that "the Lord" in OT is Jesus, which IS NOT.

Be honest to yourself.

Jesus is my King, my Savior, my Master, my Lord.
JEHOVAH is my God, and Jesus' God.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus is the One who only does and says what the Father tells Him- That is who He is!!

That is who you believe in- if you believe in Jesus!

That is who you come to know, if you know Jesus!

But since He does and says only what the Father tells Him, you never really know Him when you get to know Him!

When He took on flesh and walked this earth, His disciples got to know Him, of course!! But it did take a bit of explaining to them, before they understood.

Look closely at these verses, because they are explaining what I am explaining. They tell you who Jesus is, and not just was, because He is still this way. His disciples certainly walked with Him and knew Him, but in less than three years they got to know who He was better because this was explained to them!!

John 14: 6 - 11

Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

“If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him.”

Philip *said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.”

Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

“Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in Me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works.

“Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves.


He still does and says that type of thing to you when you get to know Him short while, like His disciples then also got to know Jesus! When you listen to Him, you listen to the Father, because He says and does only what the Father tells Him, and so He does not do or say anything to you of His owns words, not does He do anything around you because of His own ideas!!

When you get to know Him, you get to know that trait that He Has, even in Him.

What you don't understand, if you don't stand this about Him, is that we think we are smarter than God as seen by our actions! We men, all of us, have pride and we do not have the understanding that He has! He does not have such a pride, so He uses the free will He also got from His Father to do and say only what the Father tells Him. Even the angels in heaven, thought their understanding is far better than ours, don't have the understanding that Jesus has. And all this is what you come to understand when you get to know Him like His disciples were getting to know Him.

Jesus is the One who only does and says what the Father tells Him- That is who He is!!

Thank you Karl, this answered my question, and that is true, so then who is the Father sir?

 

[Karl Peters]

Mmmmh, you don't seem to like the fact that in the original Scriptures it does not say "the Lord" but YHWH (JHVH, Jehovah).

I am helping you for your own good to accept the truth and stop "trying to quote passage and turning them around backwards to try and" make look that "the Lord" in OT is Jesus, which IS NOT.

Be honest to yourself.

Jesus is my King, my Savior, my Master, my Lord.
JEHOVAH is my God, and Jesus' God.

What you don't understand is that His Father made His Son Jehovah - and the Scriptures that I just gave you prove that - but can perhaps help you understand this more - but honestly, you are never going to really understand this great mystery about how God puts things (includcing The Father, Son, and Spirit) together as One until you actually start listening to God!! Because when you listen to God (Jehovah is you will) you listen to Jesus Christ, the Son of God! That is because His Father does not talk to men but only to His Son, and for a reason. The reason is that the Father loves His Son so much and the Father has no pride so He is not concerned about getting fame and recognition for Himsel, the He made His Son God, the Creator, the King on the throne of God, the power and authority of God, the Word of God, and all things the Father has are given to the Son, and that even includes the title of Jehovah!! God!!! I just explained it, but you can not understanding it because understand is not achieve by leaning on our understanding but it comes from the mouth of God!!

Ok - with that said let me go over what I have already covered with you.

First is that you won't understand because my explaination comes from my mouth instead of your reasoning with our Lord Jesus Christ. So you actually do have to go and start listening to Him - Here are 2 the verse that covers that, and a statement I personally heard from My Lord the Teacher, Jesus Christ:

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Prov 3:5-7 Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He will make your paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.

Second: we might as well go over again what is in Psalms 2. It covers the fact that the Father made a decree to His Son three right at the very beginning of time, even the day He brought for His Son, so that nobody or nothing else exists. And it shows that the Father makes His Son "Jehovah" as you are so concerned about, by talking to the Son! This pattern continues. The Father does not talk to you, but He talks to the Son, unless the Son decides to show the Father to you. That only happens when you become a close disciple but it will happen if you get to really know the Son for a couple of years. (Well I can go over that some more - but back to Ps 2 - Now I already wrote covered it, so I will just quote what I wrote:

Ps 2:6,7 “But as for Me, I have installed My King Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”
“I will surely tell of the decree of the LORD: He said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.

And from my Interlinear Bible I read - if I reverse it from right to left to left to right as we read:

But I have set My king on Zion Mount My holy. I will declare the statue of Jehovah

You think the Jehovah is the Father who set the Son on the Mountain, but the Father was saying that He was making a Law/statue/declaration that the Son was Jehovah!! You got it completely backwards!!

As can be seen in verse 11 which reads: act wisely be taught, O judges the earth, Serve Jehovah with fear, and rejoice with trembling Kiss the Son be He lest angry

The Son, is the King and so Jehovah whom we are to serve!! The Father declared it so, but you don't serve the Son because that requires listening to Him. And so you don't understand the Scriptures, because that too requires listening to Him!! It will cost you if you don't repent and turn to Him!

Note that the Father's declaration/statue about His Son being made King is the declaration of Jehovah!!

So Jesus Christ being declared King on the thone of God is the Father declaring His Son to be "Jehovah"!!!!!

Now of course "Jehovah" is not an English word, so we would not expect to read "Jehovah" in an English or American translation!!! So what do we read in the English or American translation?

Ps 2:8 -12 ‘Ask of Me, and I will surely give the nations as Your inheritance, And the very ends of the earth as Your possession.
‘You shall break them with a rod of iron, You shall shatter them like earthenware.’”
Now therefore, O kings, show discernment; Take warning, O judges of the earth.
Worship the LORD with reverence And rejoice with trembling.
Do homage to the Son, that He not become angry, and you perish in the way, For His wrath may soon be kindled. How blessed are all who take refuge in Him!

Now what you have been saying is that "Worship the Lord" where the Lord is Jehovah, mean worship the Father - but that is totally taking it out of context!!

The CONTEXT, in this whole section is that the Father puts the Son in charge as King!! And that we had better do homage to the Son least you perish! So the "LORD" being taked about in this section is the King (Jesus Christ) who we had better give homage to!! Therefore, Jesus Christ made "LORD" - and the Hebrew word for LORD used there is Jehovah!! It matches the declaration the Father made to His Son, and fulfills the statement the Father said to His Son about declaring that declaration to us!!

Ok - I am going to go to the next post, because it takes a bit to explain, especially to someone who does not practice listening to our Lord Jesus Christ