What is the difference between living under the law and living under grace ? And does it have to be one or the other ?
What Is The Difference Between Grace And The Law ?
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Under the law, the race was to actually become perfect through the requirements of the law....in one's own strength.
Under grace, the race is to receive the power from heaven in order to become perfect and accomplish the requirements of the law. ...in the strength of Christ.
Under grace, the race is to receive the power from heaven in order to become perfect and accomplish the requirements of the law. ...in the strength of Christ.
antho91
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Living under law means we can never reach God, living under grace means it's God's gift to heaven.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
The Law doesn't give us the power of salvation - it is only the measuring stick for how far we have fallen.
In grace we walk fully depending on the Lord's love and goodness; In law we walk seeking merit according to 'our own' accomplishments even if it 'by the help of the Lord'.
In grace we perform out of thankfulness what the Lord has done, is doing, and promises to do for us; under law we perform in order to earn favor.
In grace we perform out of thankfulness what the Lord has done, is doing, and promises to do for us; under law we perform in order to earn favor.
Are you on about the jews with the to earn favor? Christians don't do it to earn anything, but some wrongly think that. but then again some dodo's do go figure.
Jesus Christ did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it.
goodshepard55
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Grace is undeserved acceptance and love received from another...that is what we received from Christ on the cross..That is why He came...so that we could receive God's gift of unmerited salvation...
This is simplistic and universalist. Not all men will be saved. And very few indeed will ever overcome. The way is narrow and the doorway difficult indeed to penetrate.
Grace is the power from heaven that the dead in Christ walk in miraculously.
It is not a general amnesty that saves sinners to remain sinners.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
goodshepard55
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The purpose of the divine law is to set the standard for right
and wrong. In other words, the law defines sin. It was never
meant to save or justify anyone except those who are sinless.
Since “all have sinned” (Rom. 3:23), it is plain that the law
cannot be used for purposes of salvation. Yet it still retains its
usefulness in informing us of what God thinks sin is. “By the
law is the knowledge of sin,” Paul says in Rom. 3:20.
Grace means acquittal or forgiveness in spite of the crimes
(sins) we have committed.
Leviticus 25 explains the law of Jubilee as well as the law of
redemption. If a man in Israel lost his land through poverty
and debt, he had to work for others to repay his debt. But no
matter how far into debt he went, he would always return to
his land inheritance at the end of the Jubilee cycle. Leviticus
25:54 says,
54 And if he be not redeemed in these years [of
servitude], then he shall go out in the year of
Jubilee, both he and his children with him.
This is grace at its highest level. No man can go so far into debt
that he cannot be redeemed by grace in the end. The Jubilee
not only allows it; it demands it. We know that there are many
who have not appropriated the redemptive grace of Jesus. What
is to become of them? Are they doomed to remain in bondage
to Master Sin forever? No. The law has a "statute of limitations"
on sin and debt bondage. This is the law of grace. It is manifested
and demanded by the law of the Jubilee, so that even if they are
not redeemed during those years of servitude, they must be set
free at the Jubilee purely by an act of grace.
This is an outrageous statement to those who have been taught
that God will punish men without end and without any hope of
a final redemption. It is ironic that those who believe in grace at
the expense of the law of God are less merciful in their outlook
toward sinners than those who know the law of Jubilee and how
it establishes true grace. Paul knew about this principle, however,
and thus he wrote that all of Creation is groaning in travail,
waiting for the manifestation of the Sons of God. All Creation lives
in hope for the Great Jubilee of Creation (Rom. 8:20-23).
Logabe
and wrong. In other words, the law defines sin. It was never
meant to save or justify anyone except those who are sinless.
Since “all have sinned” (Rom. 3:23), it is plain that the law
cannot be used for purposes of salvation. Yet it still retains its
usefulness in informing us of what God thinks sin is. “By the
law is the knowledge of sin,” Paul says in Rom. 3:20.
Grace means acquittal or forgiveness in spite of the crimes
(sins) we have committed.
Leviticus 25 explains the law of Jubilee as well as the law of
redemption. If a man in Israel lost his land through poverty
and debt, he had to work for others to repay his debt. But no
matter how far into debt he went, he would always return to
his land inheritance at the end of the Jubilee cycle. Leviticus
25:54 says,
54 And if he be not redeemed in these years [of
servitude], then he shall go out in the year of
Jubilee, both he and his children with him.
This is grace at its highest level. No man can go so far into debt
that he cannot be redeemed by grace in the end. The Jubilee
not only allows it; it demands it. We know that there are many
who have not appropriated the redemptive grace of Jesus. What
is to become of them? Are they doomed to remain in bondage
to Master Sin forever? No. The law has a "statute of limitations"
on sin and debt bondage. This is the law of grace. It is manifested
and demanded by the law of the Jubilee, so that even if they are
not redeemed during those years of servitude, they must be set
free at the Jubilee purely by an act of grace.
This is an outrageous statement to those who have been taught
that God will punish men without end and without any hope of
a final redemption. It is ironic that those who believe in grace at
the expense of the law of God are less merciful in their outlook
toward sinners than those who know the law of Jubilee and how
it establishes true grace. Paul knew about this principle, however,
and thus he wrote that all of Creation is groaning in travail,
waiting for the manifestation of the Sons of God. All Creation lives
in hope for the Great Jubilee of Creation (Rom. 8:20-23).
Logabe
Very good! Grace keeps sin out of reach when we walk in it.
No, grace is not forgiveness or acquittal. Mercy and forgiveness are just that. Grace is what fills the void left by sin. It is the power to remain holy as He is holy.
Grace is like a stay of punishment for the purpose of rehabilitation.
Even the world uses the word correctly when they allow a grace period on the implementation of certain of their laws. It gives people time to conform to their law's requirement by lessening the burden caused of too short a time.
But this you had ought to know and if you cannot see it God help you.
But for God's grace he would have destroyed us all at the very moment Adam sinned.
His grace provides opportunity for all that is taking place to reclaim us to Him.
get a clue!!!
Even the world uses the word correctly when they allow a grace period on the implementation of certain of their laws. It gives people time to conform to their law's requirement by lessening the burden caused of too short a time.
But this you had ought to know and if you cannot see it God help you.
But for God's grace he would have destroyed us all at the very moment Adam sinned.
His grace provides opportunity for all that is taking place to reclaim us to Him.
get a clue!!!
EXACTLY...
When Jesus told Peter to forgive 490 times, He immediately told a
parable to illustrate this principle (Matt. 18:21-35). This is a very
important parable, since it provides the keys to how God has worked
with whole nations and the Church throughout history.
A certain king had a servant who owed him 10,000 talents, a huge debt.
When it came time to foreclose on the debt (after 490 days) the servant
begged for mercy, and the king forgave the debt. However, that same
servant then confronted his neighbor who owed him a small amount of
money. The neighbor begged for mercy, but the man would not forgive
the debt. Instead, he threw his neighbor into prison and sold his family
into bondage to pay the debt.
When the king heard of this, he canceled the mercy and grace which he
had previously extended to his servant. He threw him into prison until the
full debt of 10,000 talents should be paid. The moral of the story is given in
Matthew 18:35,
35 So likewise shall My heavenly Father do also unto you,
if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother
their trespasses.
Jesus was not really talking about monetary debts, but about "trespasses,"
or sins. This is one of many New Testament passages where we see how sin is
is reckoned as a debt. The servant with the huge debt represents a great sinner.
Any time someone secures a loan, the debt note is dated, so that both parties
know when it comes due. Since this parable is an illustration of the principle of "
seventy times seven," one might say that the debt had to be paid after 490 days.
The certain king was obligated to "forgive" the debt for that specified a
amount of time. We call it a "grace period." The grace period is the time
allotted to repay the debt. It ends with the time of reckoning the
accounts and possible foreclosure. But this is also a parable showing us
how the principle of Jubilee works in a very practical sense. In fact, this
is a Kingdom parable, showing us how God dealt with Israel and
Jerusalem.
Logabe
Well kind of! God is forbearing and patient in order to let His grace do it's work. We can grow in grace. Grace is not just the period of time we are allotted to do what no man can do anyway. No, rather grace is the means by which we accomplish the will of God. Confusing patience and mercy for grace is understandable. But we walk by grace so as to be just as Christ is in the world.
If you had said, 'It is because of grace we are able to walk' then that I would have agreed with.
2 Corinthians 5:7 "... For we walk by faith..." but nowhere in the scriptures do I find it said that we walk by grace.
Now one could say that we walk "in" grace. That just means we walk in the grace period God has provided for us to walk by faith so as to benefit from God's provisions to us through and in Christ for salvation.
Excellent post !!!
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