What is the Origin of Lucifer and the Logos? The Origin of the Logos of God

[WalterandDebbie]

Wednesday, 3-11-26 4th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Adar 21, 5786 81st. Winter Day

Who or What Is this Being Called
The Origin of the Logos of God

Christ Himself admitted that the Father was greater than He (John 14:28). He admitted that the Father was (and is) "the only true God" (John 17:3), who sent Him. He calls himself "the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God" (Rev.3:14). Did the Logos have a "beginning"? The Greek word translated "beginning" in this verse means "first in a series," as its primary meaning. The same truth is indicated in Colossians, chapter one, where we read of Christ's pre-existence: "Who is the image of the invisible God" (Col.1:14). Now an "image" is a copy, or a "likeness" -- not the original! Continuing: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE" (Col.1:15). Notice! The One who became Christ Himself was an image of the True God -- a reproduction, or "copy." As such, we read in the book of Hebrews, He was made "the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON" -- or character (Heb.1:1-3).



Thus Christ or the Logos was the "firstborn of EVERY creature." He was the firstborn of God -- the first to "qualify" to become a very "Son of God" and a member of the Godhead, aeons

ago, when He proved Himself and His loyalty to the Father -- the Father proclaimed Him to be His "Firstborn." This was not automatic. Character is never "automatic." It is based on choices, decisions, and actions. Thus the One who became Christ, aeons ago, was created out of the Father's own essence, of His own Spirit, to be His companion -- a "Mighty One." When He proved Himself, He was granted powers from God the Father to sit with Him in His Throne -- He became a Co-Regent with the Father. He became "very God," as the Father is "God," because the Father proclaimed Him to be His "Son," and gave Him authority over all things, and imparted to Him authority as Co-Creator!



Therefore we read of the Logos, that it was by him "also he [the Father] made the worlds," and who now "upholds all things by the word of his power" (Heb.1;2-3), who has also "purged our sins," and "sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high" (v.3); "Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent NAME than they" (Heb.1:4).



At some distant point, before the Creation as we know it, God the Father created -- or "pro-created," from His own essence -- the "Logos." The Logos, or "Word," grew up, matured, and became the "Son of God," and eventually God shared His very own authority as "God" with Him. Therefore, we read in the book of John that in "a" beginning, as the Greek should read, there was the Word (Logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was [i.e., had become] God (see John 1:1-3).



The Logos, the One who became Christ, at this earlier time -- after proving Himself and qualifying through developing perfect, righteous CHARACTER, which cannot be created instantaneously -- became the second member of the "Elohim," or "Godhead" and participated in the creation of this present Universe (Heb.1:1-3). Through tests and trials of which we have no direct knowledge, and through "much tribulation" (Acts 14:22), He qualified at that ancient epoch to become "Elohim" together with the Father! Therefore, we read in Genesis, chapter one, "In [a] beginning, GOD [Elohim, meaning "The mighty Ones"] created the [present] heavens and the earth" (Gen.1:1). We read, further, that God said, "Let US make man [mankind] in OUR IMAGE, after our likeness" (Gen.1:26). By this time, then, the Logos had qualified and become a Co-Creator with the Father! Together they made the Universe, and later mankind, as is depicted in Genesis, chapter one.



The Logos had become "the brightness" of the glory of God the Father, and His "express image" in character (v.3). Therefore He has become "so much better than the angels," and "by inheritance obtained [qualified for] a more excellent name than they" (Heb.1:4). He became God's true Son by creation, so that the Father said of Him, "Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee," and "I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son" (v.5).



Paul alludes to the origin of the One who became Christ, the Logos of God, when he wrote that Christ or the Logos "is the image of the invisible God," and "the firstborn of EVERY CREATURE: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible . . . And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who IS the BEGINNING . . ." (Colossians 1:15-18).



Thus the Logos, who later became our Saviour and Messiah, assisted the Father in creation of this present Universe. As we read in John: "In [a] beginning was the Word [Logos], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him [the present Universe]; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In his was life; and the life was the light of men" (John 1:1-4).



But what about this being called "Lucifer"? Where did he come from?

Love, Walter and Debbie

1-18-24

Our Faith and Belief Site

Love, Walter And Debbie

 

[KUWN]

Wednesday, 3-11-26 4th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Adar 21, 5786 81st. Winter Day

Who or What Is this Being Called
The Origin of the Logos of God

Christ Himself admitted that the Father was greater than He (John 14:28). He admitted that the Father was (and is) "the only true God" (John 17:3), who sent Him. He calls himself "the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God" (Rev.3:14). Did the Logos have a "beginning"? The Greek word translated "beginning" in this verse means "first in a series," as its primary meaning. The same truth is indicated in Colossians, chapter one, where we read of Christ's pre-existence: "Who is the image of the invisible God" (Col.1:14). Now an "image" is a copy, or a "likeness" -- not the original! Continuing: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE" (Col.1:15). Notice! The One who became Christ Himself was an image of the True God -- a reproduction, or "copy." As such, we read in the book of Hebrews, He was made "the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON" -- or character (Heb.1:1-3).



Thus Christ or the Logos was the "firstborn of EVERY creature." He was the firstborn of God -- the first to "qualify" to become a very "Son of God" and a member of the Godhead, aeons

ago, when He proved Himself and His loyalty to the Father -- the Father proclaimed Him to be His "Firstborn." This was not automatic. Character is never "automatic." It is based on choices, decisions, and actions. Thus the One who became Christ, aeons ago, was created out of the Father's own essence, of His own Spirit, to be His companion -- a "Mighty One." When He proved Himself, He was granted powers from God the Father to sit with Him in His Throne -- He became a Co-Regent with the Father. He became "very God," as the Father is "God," because the Father proclaimed Him to be His "Son," and gave Him authority over all things, and imparted to Him authority as Co-Creator!



Therefore we read of the Logos, that it was by him "also he [the Father] made the worlds," and who now "upholds all things by the word of his power" (Heb.1;2-3), who has also "purged our sins," and "sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high" (v.3); "Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent NAME than they" (Heb.1:4).



At some distant point, before the Creation as we know it, God the Father created -- or "pro-created," from His own essence -- the "Logos." The Logos, or "Word," grew up, matured, and became the "Son of God," and eventually God shared His very own authority as "God" with Him. Therefore, we read in the book of John that in "a" beginning, as the Greek should read, there was the Word (Logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was [i.e., had become] God (see John 1:1-3).



The Logos, the One who became Christ, at this earlier time -- after proving Himself and qualifying through developing perfect, righteous CHARACTER, which cannot be created instantaneously -- became the second member of the "Elohim," or "Godhead" and participated in the creation of this present Universe (Heb.1:1-3). Through tests and trials of which we have no direct knowledge, and through "much tribulation" (Acts 14:22), He qualified at that ancient epoch to become "Elohim" together with the Father! Therefore, we read in Genesis, chapter one, "In [a] beginning, GOD [Elohim, meaning "The mighty Ones"] created the [present] heavens and the earth" (Gen.1:1). We read, further, that God said, "Let US make man [mankind] in OUR IMAGE, after our likeness" (Gen.1:26). By this time, then, the Logos had qualified and become a Co-Creator with the Father! Together they made the Universe, and later mankind, as is depicted in Genesis, chapter one.



The Logos had become "the brightness" of the glory of God the Father, and His "express image" in character (v.3). Therefore He has become "so much better than the angels," and "by inheritance obtained [qualified for] a more excellent name than they" (Heb.1:4). He became God's true Son by creation, so that the Father said of Him, "Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee," and "I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son" (v.5).



Paul alludes to the origin of the One who became Christ, the Logos of God, when he wrote that Christ or the Logos "is the image of the invisible God," and "the firstborn of EVERY CREATURE: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible . . . And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who IS the BEGINNING . . ." (Colossians 1:15-18).



Thus the Logos, who later became our Saviour and Messiah, assisted the Father in creation of this present Universe. As we read in John: "In [a] beginning was the Word [Logos], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him [the present Universe]; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In his was life; and the life was the light of men" (John 1:1-4).



But what about this being called "Lucifer"? Where did he come from? [Created by Christ, Gjohn 1.3]

Love, Walter and Debbie

1-18-24

Our Faith and Belief Site

Love, Walter And Debbie

This post is not even close to Evangelical Theology. Much of what is said in your is blasphemy. I certainly hope you read more books about the Word (LOGOS) of God and the Son of God from an Evangelical viewpoint. Get Norman Geisler's Systematic Theology. This comes in four Volumes and is very thorough. Master this book and you will have a foundation laid that is second to none. For example, you will find out what "My Father is Greater Than I am" means. There is no alternate definition of this idiom that means Christ is less as to his being than the Father, it simply refers to their position in relation to man. ontologically speaking, the Son and Father and HS are all co-equal in every respect. For example, all Three love to the same degree, all Three are eternal (therefore these Three beings are not created).

 

[Grailhunter]

Wednesday, 3-11-26 4th. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Adar 21, 5786 81st. Winter Day

Who or What Is this Being Called
The Origin of the Logos of God

Christ Himself admitted that the Father was greater than He (John 14:28). He admitted that the Father was (and is) "the only true God" (John 17:3), who sent Him. He calls himself "the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God" (Rev.3:14). Did the Logos have a "beginning"? The Greek word translated "beginning" in this verse means "first in a series," as its primary meaning. The same truth is indicated in Colossians, chapter one, where we read of Christ's pre-existence: "Who is the image of the invisible God" (Col.1:14). Now an "image" is a copy, or a "likeness" -- not the original! Continuing: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the FIRSTBORN OF EVERY CREATURE" (Col.1:15). Notice! The One who became Christ Himself was an image of the True God -- a reproduction, or "copy." As such, we read in the book of Hebrews, He was made "the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON" -- or character (Heb.1:1-3).



Thus Christ or the Logos was the "firstborn of EVERY creature." He was the firstborn of God -- the first to "qualify" to become a very "Son of God" and a member of the Godhead, aeons

ago, when He proved Himself and His loyalty to the Father -- the Father proclaimed Him to be His "Firstborn." This was not automatic. Character is never "automatic." It is based on choices, decisions, and actions. Thus the One who became Christ, aeons ago, was created out of the Father's own essence, of His own Spirit, to be His companion -- a "Mighty One." When He proved Himself, He was granted powers from God the Father to sit with Him in His Throne -- He became a Co-Regent with the Father. He became "very God," as the Father is "God," because the Father proclaimed Him to be His "Son," and gave Him authority over all things, and imparted to Him authority as Co-Creator!



Therefore we read of the Logos, that it was by him "also he [the Father] made the worlds," and who now "upholds all things by the word of his power" (Heb.1;2-3), who has also "purged our sins," and "sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high" (v.3); "Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath BY INHERITANCE obtained a more excellent NAME than they" (Heb.1:4).



At some distant point, before the Creation as we know it, God the Father created -- or "pro-created," from His own essence -- the "Logos." The Logos, or "Word," grew up, matured, and became the "Son of God," and eventually God shared His very own authority as "God" with Him. Therefore, we read in the book of John that in "a" beginning, as the Greek should read, there was the Word (Logos), and the Word was with God, and the Word was [i.e., had become] God (see John 1:1-3).



The Logos, the One who became Christ, at this earlier time -- after proving Himself and qualifying through developing perfect, righteous CHARACTER, which cannot be created instantaneously -- became the second member of the "Elohim," or "Godhead" and participated in the creation of this present Universe (Heb.1:1-3). Through tests and trials of which we have no direct knowledge, and through "much tribulation" (Acts 14:22), He qualified at that ancient epoch to become "Elohim" together with the Father! Therefore, we read in Genesis, chapter one, "In [a] beginning, GOD [Elohim, meaning "The mighty Ones"] created the [present] heavens and the earth" (Gen.1:1). We read, further, that God said, "Let US make man [mankind] in OUR IMAGE, after our likeness" (Gen.1:26). By this time, then, the Logos had qualified and become a Co-Creator with the Father! Together they made the Universe, and later mankind, as is depicted in Genesis, chapter one.



The Logos had become "the brightness" of the glory of God the Father, and His "express image" in character (v.3). Therefore He has become "so much better than the angels," and "by inheritance obtained [qualified for] a more excellent name than they" (Heb.1:4). He became God's true Son by creation, so that the Father said of Him, "Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee," and "I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son" (v.5).



Paul alludes to the origin of the One who became Christ, the Logos of God, when he wrote that Christ or the Logos "is the image of the invisible God," and "the firstborn of EVERY CREATURE: for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible . . . And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who IS the BEGINNING . . ." (Colossians 1:15-18).



Thus the Logos, who later became our Saviour and Messiah, assisted the Father in creation of this present Universe. As we read in John: "In [a] beginning was the Word [Logos], and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him [the present Universe]; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In his was life; and the life was the light of men" (John 1:1-4).



But what about this being called "Lucifer"? Where did he come from?

Love, Walter and Debbie

1-18-24

Our Faith and Belief Site

Love, Walter And Debbie

Lucifer is a Latin girl. LOL
It sounds evil and male but it is feminine.
It is the name of the planet Venus and the goddess.

Lucifer is the Latin name for Venus when it appears as the morning star, meaning "light-bringer."
In Roman folklore and classical astronomy, Lucifer (from Latin lux meaning "light" and ferre meaning "to bring") was the name given to the planet Venus which was named after the goddess, and when it appeared in the sky before dawn, it was called the morning star. Shortly afterwards the sun would rise so it was the bringer of light. The Greek equivalents were Phosphoros or Heosphoros, both meaning "light-bringer" or "dawn-bringer". More accurately Venus was the light and was held by some one kind of like Atlas holding the morning star in his hand and as such was the light bearer, sometimes described as the son of Aurora and Cephalus, Eosphorus

The term Lucifer was used in Latin literature and poetry to describe Venus in its morning aspect, while the evening appearance of Venus was called Noctifer or Hesperus, meaning "night-bringer".----> When they were actually the same planet which a lot of times followed the Moon in the sky. In the biblical context, the Latin Vulgate translated the Hebrew phrase Helel ben Shachar ("shining one, son of the dawn") from Isaiah 14:12 as Lucifer, linking the celestial metaphor of the morning star to a poetic description of a fallen figure Over time, Christian tradition associated the name Lucifer with Satan, but its original meaning remained tied to Venus as the morning star.
Venus, as Lucifer, symbolizes light, beginnings, and the heralding of dawn, reflecting its dual role in mythology and astronomy. This association illustrates how a celestial body’s observable behavior influenced both linguistic development and mythological storytelling across cultures

Those translating the Old Testament in Latin noticed that there was no devil in the Old Testament and wondered why. And they wanted the devil to be in the Old Testament so they put him there in Isaiah. The story in Isaiah was about a corrupt king but it mentioned the star in the morning. The Latin word for the Morning Star is Lucifer. It sounds male and evil so they turned the word into a male demon. They changed the scriptures to submit to their desires! Bad people. And early translators did this quite a bit......translate what they want it to be, so you have to be careful.

Logos is a 6th century BC Greek term which more or less meant a cosmic intelligence. John and others adopted the term. Many times the Apostles would take Greek words and add their own definition. They had to do this because the Greek language did not have Christian theological words. Simple example; When a Roman said he sinned, it meant his spear did not hit the target. The Christians used this word for a transgression against God.

 

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Christ Himself admitted that the Father was greater than He

Jesus also said that He and the Father are one. That He is the Son of God, and they knew exactly what that meant. He is God. They killed Him for it, for blasphemy, for making Himself God.

All through the Bible we see the deity of Jesus Christ. This forum affirms the deity of Jesus Christ, and asks that you respect this in your posts.

I see now you make this your battle cry, that you post repeatedly that Jesus is NOT God, without regard for the truth of Scripture or the forum on which you post.

Do you have integrity?

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Jesus also said that He and the Father are one. That He is the Son of God, and they knew exactly what that meant. He is God. They killed Him for it, for blasphemy, for making Himself God.

All through the Bible we see the deity of Jesus Christ. This forum affirms the deity of Jesus Christ, and asks that you respect this in your posts.

I see now you make this your battle cry, that you post repeatedly that Jesus is NOT God, without regard for the truth of Scripture or the forum on which you post.

Do you have integrity?

Everything that He has taught and given to us.

 

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What is the Origin of Lucifer and the Logos? The Origin of the Logos of God

Revealed…
Creation … What
Making of the Creation … What / How

Creation … Established
Making … Ongoing … Results Revealed bit by bit.

Lucifer…a spirit
Spirits…invisible…yet…indicated as Millions, by the number of visible stars, in the location of the Mid-(2nd above the Earth) Heavens.

Both Spirits…Lucifer AND Jesus AND (other) Spirits ARE indicated “they being” identified BY Name, WITNESSES, to Creation of the Earth, for the purpose of a habitat, for the following creation…
Of Land,
Of Minerals, Ores, Gems, Elements
Of Seeds,
Of Plants,
Of Animals,
Of Mankind,
All Of and For the creation and making of humans and “their” sustainability…and a Treasure Trove of things for manKIND to discover and use.

How…
By, Through, Of Gods Desire, Authority, Supreme Power, Word…TO SPEAK, and it is SO To come into EXISTENCE… and/ or MADE…
(To forever Exist, or be destroyed).

Spirits…Helpers, Servants, Agents, to Serve Gods WILL…
All are created “WITH” Gods Truth.
(But NOT, Gods “understanding”.)
All are created “WITH” Freewill.

* “caveat” “Trust”, with “understanding” is paramount.
Spirits, broadly called “Angels”…
Can exercise their own Freewill to Trust God, (or not).
Or Not (choose)? No option for Forgiveness.

Lucifer… a bright star (indicative of great power,) observed God creating the Earth, it’s elements, and DECIDED, it would be “for him to “control / rule the human inhabitants”.
* He retained his great power AND AS he desired, was cast down to Earth, forfeiting, his Access, TO Gods Estate Heaven “Above” the 3rd Heaven and the 3rd Heaven….AND Gods “understanding”.

The Logos, is Gods WORD, revealed…
First…by “unheard by humans” SPOKEN
Then..by “Particular” Humans, HEARING God
Then..by “Written by God” IN STONE
Then..by “oral” speaking OF MEN
Then..by “Written by men” ON PAPER
Then..by “Written copies” Distributed
Then..by “A (God) Prepared Body” SENT to EARTH…(name revealed JESUS).
THEN..by “Jesus’” Power (CHRIST) revealed.
Little by Little / Bit by bit.
THEN..by “men” orally, writing, teaching, preaching, Truths and Lies.

The Logos… Gods Word Written… IS Gods WORD… regardless of HOW He “Appears”.
His Identifier, NAME IS Jesus;
His Identifier, TITLES ARE Numerous…
His Identifier, DESCRIPTIONS ARE Numerous
EX…
Maker,
Life,
Power,
Truth,
Lord,
Teacher,
Preacher,
Chief Corner Stone,
Only begotten Son,
Priest,
Savior,
Advocator,
Mediator,
Friend,
Bright,
Forgiver,
Spirit,
Morning Star,
Light,
Faithful,
Sacrifice,
Good,
Shepherd,
Prince of Peace,
Messiah,
Door,
Bread,
Wonderful,
Counselor,
Omniscient,
God with us,
Eternal Father,
I am,
Alpha and Omega.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken