Waiting on him
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You miss the point that Joseph was visited by this angel at least in two separate occasions.
WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?
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Waiting,,,it plainly states that Joseph took her as his wife.
Boaz took Ruth as his wife.
Perhaps you're getting TOOK conflated with KNEW?
What point am I missing Waiting??
I brought up the angel.
YOU said Joseph knew Mary before Jesus was born....
The NT states he did not.
Perhaps you just don't believe any of the NT?
Gary Mac
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Ironic is that all are virgin to Gods Spirit until His seed is planted in our mind. No one is born with it, not even Jesus was born with it proven in Matt 3:16 when he gave birth to the Christ within, Gods anointing.
Giving birth to that seed that God plants in man is Spirit, Gods anointing, is the laborious part of a man in childbirth that is in carnality where all he sees of a god if flesh. a man as a god. That child birth that is within, giving birth to the Christ, Gods anointing, that is within, is so difficult for the religious mind in carnality to even explore that there might be a better way for them to be in Gods same image that is not of flesh, not a mortal man but the mind, Spirit, disposition, of man that is not flesh at all.
One cant be a child of God at all least one gives birth to the Christ that is within. Which simply is Gods same disposition of mind. Now we will hear how stupid that sound to these carnal minds who only see a man as a god instead of themselves being that person of Christ that resides within. Not very many gives birth to the Christ within simply because they refuse to let God plant His Spirit in them.
And Jesus was very clear in Luke 17:20-21, where God resided. Within man.
Waiting on him
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So, what is the water? It’s clearly the veil of a woman, and I’m not speaking in biological terms. The vail is life or waters parted and a child is conceived a man child. The child begins his walk in fable and fallacy. As a child he believes in childish things, but when he becomes a MAN he puts away foolish things, and sees as a man.
An example; believing that the veil is speaking of a carpet in a 2 millennia old stone building was split into by their god. Paul tells us clearly in Hebrews that the veil is a reference to the flesh of Christ, and it is through this veil/flesh/water Where the seed is sown and a new birth begins.
By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
— Hebrews 10:20
Waiting on him
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And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations. He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.
— Isaiah 25:7-8
Yet everyone wants to argue sprinkle or plunge.
— Isaiah 25:7-8
Yet everyone wants to argue sprinkle or plunge.
Waiting on him
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JLB
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John used this unique phrase and it can be a head scratcher.
He said born of water in John 3, and he used the similar phrase, “came by water” in 1 John 5.
Both phrases referred to natural birth.
This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6
John here is using the phrase “came by water” to denote natural birth, however he adds “and blood” to refer to the virgin birth.
Came by water and blood, refers to the virgin birth that was the “witness” He was the true Messiah that was prophesied to be born of a virgin.
Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel. Isaiah 7:14
He came by water and blood, refers to He came into this world by water from Mary and the blood of her hymen that was still intact.
Gary Mac
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I understand your thoughts. I have heard all the thoughts, all the arguments of man about water , salvation, circumcisions, whet to eat, what not to eat, how to dress, Long or short hair, and their salvations for who God is or is not, or who Jesus was or was not, for 50 years.
As for me it isnt about how I got here on planet earth, or what I believe about all those things while I am here, it is about what God Himself put within me Himself.
All these arguments spawned only through religious beliefs means noting at all to me, nor did it to Jesus or God. The only thing that matters is, have I repented of all my beliefs for a god and obeyed and received from the God Who simply is Love Himself in His truth where only He can open all of His heaven and its truths of Love in me. Everything else though mans speculations, precepts upon precepts, means nothing at all with the truth that God Himself opens in man by having His same Spirit of mind which simply is Love for God is Love.
Principles has no reality unless God Himself feeds them His Spirit of mind where truths erases all speculation about Him from a mind that is of flesh, carnal, and actually where being anointed of God themselves is stranger than the fiction people are beholden to, for fiction is more appealing than to give up the right to self beliefs and be as He is with God in you and you in God as one.
When people proclaim they are of Christ, which simply is to be anointed of God, Christ in you, then turn right around and worship a man as a god -- they cannot be trusted. A double minded man is unstable.
The kingdom of God does not come with observation it is with me, Luke 17:20-21. And the more I hear from these claiming to be of Christ which is to be anointed of God themselves, and all their theories about it without Gods anointing in themselves and only confined to only one man named Jesus as a god, the more I like my dog who loves me unconditionally. And honesty has become a lost art in Christendom, for God Himself who gives His truths, and the only One who can, is set to the wayside in favor of self beliefs seeking the sensational instead the truth that only god Hi9mswelf can open in man. .
Water, circumcision, what to eat, what to wear, women dont cut your hair, men cut your hair. All of that stuff is just noise when God Himself has come to the individual as He did din all of these we read of by the spirit that He is and changed their who thinking, disposition of mind, transformend to a Spirit of Love instead of just a precept where most actually reject of Him, and means noting at all. And the only thing that matters to God is, are you of the same Mind, Spirit of Love that God is?
And no matter what people say about me and how I am a blasphemer and of the devil as most here claiming to be christian say that I am, are actually not accusing me at all, they are accusing the God of it who is in man and is insufficient in making them in His same image of Love only because they have other ideas that man has taught them from their own beliefs for a god instead.
But in all of those false accusations of man in carnality, they makes me a happy man, for Jesus himself was accused of the very same as these do me for the very same reason. Our joy is in knowing the author of it all personally. And that makes my identity with Jesus in the same Father, but saddens my mind for I know a better way from God Himself. So did Jesus. He wept as well for these.
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Gary Mac
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All men come by birth from a woman and the blood of. It is another matter to be born of Gods Spirit that is not flesh and blood at all, but the minds of that Spirit is, our mind, the thinking part that is not flesh and blood, the one that you cannot see. It is who we are, not what we are.
Behold
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"In Christ" means "one with God".
"born again" means one with God.
To become a "new Creation".. is a new Spiritual Creation that is now "one with God"... "In Christ".
To be born again, is to become born again INTO The Spirit of God, by the Spirit of God.... (not by water).
"God is A Spirit'.. = the Holy Spirit
Every born again Christian is "one with God"......"in Christ".
Being "reconciled to God" means you are now restored back into eternal spiritual union with God.........= "one with God".
Gary Mac
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WOW, This is so refreshing that someone here in this forum is actually born again of God Himself. Thank you for this truth and a very good post.
We must be born again.
How were we born the first time?
Your mother broke water for the birth.
In Jesus day, that was common knowledge.
Why does it have to be complicated?
Because those who concocted their doctrines over the years to make people be water baptized (under their control) face correction that can make them look stupid.
But, we all need to be corrected. It is God's plan.
Water baptism = OT symbolic ritual.
Spirit baptism = The Church age reality.
You want to believe something else?
OK...
The choices are "broad and wide."
In Christ....
Gary Mac
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SO true.
Ask a man if he follows Christ but refuses to be that person of Christ which simply is to be anointed of Gods same Spirit of mind, then you know he is dishonest and cannot be trusted.
One who follows the ways of God to be anointed of His same mind, same mind be in you who was in Christ Jesus that he received from God when he was about 30 years old is one that can be trusted.
Ironic is, these who say that god is a man instead of being anointed of God themselves as that man was, do not even trust Jesus in who he said he was in God and makes him a god of flesh that is in their same image of that they can control. And the roots of those beliefs come from pulpits who only uses their beliefs for a god for enterprise.
And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept:
And he took one of his ribs, and then closed up the place with flesh.
Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man,
and he brought her to the man.
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
Where was the woman's body before the Lord placed Adam into a deep sleep?
Her body was "in Adam."
And, where is our body now?
We are the Bride of Christ.
Our body is, likewise, In Him.
Seated with Him in heavenly places.
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him
in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:6
We will have a body just like His own glorious body.
We will be bone of his bones and glorious flesh of His glorious flesh.
When that happens?
We will be as gods over the creation.
Not God! But, as gods over the creation.
After all, man was created in His image.
And, God is not done with us yet.
grace and peace....
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Because?
They have to have something to argue about.
Its sublimation. Divert away from their emptiness.
It takes their minds off of the emptiness of this life that only knowing sound doctrine can fill by the power of the Spirit.
It's too simple for some.
Being able to make it simple and clear destroys the building blocks for an argument.
So be it.
Grace and peace....
3 Resurrections
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It makes perfect sense for Christ to be defining "Water" as being "namely the Spirit".
The Jews were legalistically obsessed with the literal baptism process, thinking that the literal H20 of a baptism rite was credited with producing purity. To that end, they baptized couches, tables, etc. in Mark 7:4. During His earthly ministry, Christ was continually endeavoring to give His own people the proper understanding of what the law's intent actually was. The rite of baptism itself did not produce purity. It was a symbol of the work of the Holy Spirit within a person that produced inner holiness, without which no man could see the Lord.
Satan watched and observed what man invented with legalism and religion, and later improvised it with the Catholic obsession with "Holy Water."
JLB
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‘No sir.
Only Jesus Christ came by water and blood, the blood from the hymen of a virgin.
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