WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

[3 Resurrections]

Satan watched and observed what man invented with legalism and religion, and later improvised it with the Catholic obsession with "Holy Water."

Mankind has always been able to legalistically concoct "traditions of men" to enslave others. No Satanic help needed, actually. The so-called "holy water" is just one of the many vain traditions that have built up to hold others under control of a coercive, ruling laity, acting as "lords over God's heritage".

 

[GeneZ]

Mankind has always been able to legalistically concoct "traditions of men" to enslave others. No Satanic help needed, actually. The so-called "holy water" is just one of the many vain traditions that have built up to hold others under control of a coercive, ruling laity, acting as "lords over God's heritage".

Yet, Satan is the chief of religion.
I was speaking specifically of a religion.

Could we keep it simple, please?

 

[3 Resurrections]

Yet, Satan is the chief of religion.
I was speaking specifically of a religion.

Could we keep it simple, please?

Sure, simple it is. Satan at present is a dead foe. God slew that Dragon and all his underlings almost 2,000 years ago. Since then, it has been mankind alone who is responsible for corrupting the "pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father", which James 1:27 defined for us.

 

[Gary Mac]

‘No sir.

Only Jesus Christ came by water and blood, the blood from the hymen of a virgin.

Oh so you didnt have a mother and father and are not flesh and blood?

WOW I wasnt aware I was talking to AI. Then you are correct, you wasnt born of a man and woman, you were manufactured by a machine. That is amazing to think you dont need flesh and blood and has artificial intelligence.

Now I understand why you cant relate to Jesus coming in the flesh and blood common to mortal man as Jesus was, son of man. There are a lot of humans who do not believe Jesus came in the flesh, perhaps they are AI as well as you and cant relate to Jesus being son of man?

 

[Gary Mac]

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: ​

And he took one of his ribs, and then closed up the place with flesh.​

​

Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, ​

and he brought her to the man.​

​

“This is now bone of my bones​

and flesh of my flesh;​

she shall be called ‘woman,’​

for she was taken out of man.”​

​

Where was the woman's body before the Lord placed Adam into a deep sleep?
Her body was "in Adam."

And, where is our body now?

We are the Bride of Christ.
Our body is, likewise, In Him.
Seated with Him in heavenly places.

And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him ​

in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:6​

We will have a body just like His own glorious body.
We will be bone of his bones and glorious flesh of His glorious flesh.

When that happens?
We will be as gods over the creation.
Not God! But, as gods over the creation.

After all, man was created in His image.
And, God is not done with us yet.

grace and peace....

.

The story of Adam-- if one sees only the carnal side of flesh in it instead of the spiritual side in it, then confusion runs amuck.

The reality of the spiritual side is Adam was the very first man to encounter the God who is a Spirit. Adam was the first man on this planet to know that Spirit. There were other people here proven when his own son went into the land of Nod and took a wife himself.

And when Adam did receive the knowledge that God place in him by the Spirit, mind, that God is, he became like God to know this difference. Gen 3:22. And Eve received from Adam that same part of a flesh mentality void with God in herself as a deception that is common today with those who are void of the same God as Adam received in himself to become like Him instead of the ways of carnal mans own spirit.

It isnt about God coming someday and setting up HJis kingdom, it is about His kingdom does not come with observation it is with you, or is supposed to be just as it was in Adam from the beginning of knowledge go God. Man has been on this planet for hundreds other thousands of years, so obvious in fossil remains, but the knowledge of Love that God is has only manifested in man for about 6000 of those years.

God isnt slow to come at all, He comes in the twinkling of an eye to anyone for He is at everyone door knocking this very hour waiting for people to let Him in, and if they do He will come to you and sup with you and be in you this very day. Rev 3;20.

Do you know why very few know where God resides in His heaven, nor where His kingdom is? Because they seek a physical kingdom that they can observe such as some Eden, or a man as agod to come someday they can observe, but the real truth lies in Luke 17:20-21 from Jesus himself where the kingdom of God does not come with observation but is within you, in your midst, mid, middle of you.

That is exactly why the story of Adam has reaches such porportions of speculation is because man seeks the sensational instead of the simplicity of the spiritual connotations in it, and actually refuse from God to open the truth in them by having His same mind that is Spirit and see it as He sees it.

There is something far greater than beliefs -- Genuine reality where beliefs are replaced with actualities from the One who makes promises that He will come to you and sup with you and be in you just as He did the first man Adam who went from carnal understanding, to a spiritual understanding, only if you drop those religious beliefs and actually open that door to the One Who made that promise standing outside your door this very day. And Again. Rev 3:20

The first man Adam was of flesh, carnal in mind. the second man Adam became like God to know the difference from carnality and spirituality. Gen 3;22.

The first man Jesus was of fled, under the laws for flesh carnality. That second man Jesus became like Gid to know the difference from a carnal mind that he was of and taught as rabbi in the temple, and became like God to know this difference proven in Matt 3:16 where it all was opened oil him by God Himself the very same One who opens it in Adam. Born again with that same renewing of their minds, and all today are not exempt from the same if they are to be of gods same Spirit, mind, born again of it as these became Staring in Adam.

And that will be clear as mud to those who only has a belief for a god without God Himself manifesting Himself in you to open all of His heaven in you as He did enthuse we read of where He did.

One on here was honest enough to admit he dont understand any of this and no need to converse with me anymore.

AT least he is honest that he doesnt understand the spiritual connotations in the book.

 

[Waiting on him]

The story of Adam-- if one sees only the carnal side of flesh in it instead of the spiritual side in it, then confusion runs amuck.

The reality of the spiritual side is Adam was the very first man to encounter the God who is a Spirit. Adam was the first man on this planet to know that Spirit. There were other people here proven when his own son went into the land of Nod and took a wife himself.

And when Adam did receive the knowledge that God place in him by the Spirit, mind, that God is, he became like God to know this difference. Gen 3:22. And Eve received from Adam that same part of a flesh mentality void with God in herself as a deception that is common today with those who are void of the same God as Adam received in himself to become like Him instead of the ways of carnal mans own spirit.

It isnt about God coming someday and setting up HJis kingdom, it is about His kingdom does not come with observation it is with you, or is supposed to be just as it was in Adam from the beginning of knowledge go God. Man has been on this planet for hundreds other thousands of years, so obvious in fossil remains, but the knowledge of Love that God is has only manifested in man for about 6000 of those years.

God isnt slow to come at all, He comes in the twinkling of an eye to anyone for He is at everyone door knocking this very hour waiting for people to let Him in, and if they do He will come to you and sup with you and be in you this very day. Rev 3;20.

Do you know why very few know where God resides in His heaven, nor where His kingdom is? Because they seek a physical kingdom that they can observe such as some Eden, or a man as agod to come someday they can observe, but the real truth lies in Luke 17:20-21 from Jesus himself where the kingdom of God does not come with observation but is within you, in your midst, mid, middle of you.

That is exactly why the story of Adam has reaches such porportions of speculation is because man seeks the sensational instead of the simplicity of the spiritual connotations in it, and actually refuse from God to open the truth in them by having His same mind that is Spirit and see it as He sees it.

There is something far greater than beliefs -- Genuine reality where beliefs are replaced with actualities from the One who makes promises that He will come to you and sup with you and be in you just as He did the first man Adam who went from carnal understanding, to a spiritual understanding, only if you drop those religious beliefs and actually open that door to the One Who made that promise standing outside your door this very day. And Again. Rev 3:20

The first man Adam was of flesh, carnal in mind. the second man Adam became like God to know the difference from carnality and spirituality. Gen 3;22.

The first man Jesus was of fled, under the laws for flesh carnality. That second man Jesus became like Gid to know the difference from a carnal mind that he was of and taught as rabbi in the temple, and became like God to know this difference proven in Matt 3:16 where it all was opened oil him by God Himself the very same One who opens it in Adam. Born again with that same renewing of their minds, and all today are not exempt from the same if they are to be of gods same Spirit, mind, born again of it as these became Staring in Adam.

And that will be clear as mud to those who only has a belief for a god without God Himself manifesting Himself in you to open all of His heaven in you as He did enthuse we read of where He did.

One on here was honest enough to admit he dont understand any of this and no need to converse with me anymore.

AT least he is honest that he doesnt understand the spiritual connotations in the book.

This Story of Adam is merely an allegory reference to what took place in the first century. Jesus Christ was the first born Son of God in my opinion. The Woman is a reference to the individual who in Christ receives seed from God to be born of God. This never took place till first century according to New Testament scripture. Genesis has nothing to do with the cosmos or biology in my opinion.

John witnessed the light spoken of in Genesis come into the world.

 

[GodsGrace]

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: ​

And he took one of his ribs, and then closed up the place with flesh.​

​

Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, ​

and he brought her to the man.​

​

“This is now bone of my bones​

and flesh of my flesh;​

she shall be called ‘woman,’​

for she was taken out of man.”​

​

Where was the woman's body before the Lord placed Adam into a deep sleep?
Her body was "in Adam."

And, where is our body now?

We are the Bride of Christ.
Our body is, likewise, In Him.
Seated with Him in heavenly places.

And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him ​

in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus." Ephesians 2:6​

We will have a body just like His own glorious body.
We will be bone of his bones and glorious flesh of His glorious flesh.

When that happens?
We will be as gods over the creation.
Not God! But, as gods over the creation.

After all, man was created in His image.
And, God is not done with us yet.

grace and peace....

.

Jesus was making the point that He is God.

Are we God because we're IN CHRIST?

In John 15:2 Jesus stated that IF we do not bear fruit we will be taken away from the vine (Jesus).

So can Jesus be taken away from God even though they are ONE BEING if Jesus does not bear fruit?

 

[GodsGrace]

@Waiting on him

Nice to see you're having a good time Waiting.
Your inability to respond to 2 of my posts does not bode well for your theological beliefs.

 

[Waiting on him]

@Waiting on him

Nice to see you're having a good time Waiting.
Your inability to respond to 2 of my posts does not bode well for your theological beliefs.

I responded, via emoji!

 

[Gary Mac]

This Story of Adam is merely an allegory reference to what took place in the first century.

It is an allegory I agree, but the message is God will coexist to all who will receive Him starting in Adam, Abraham received the same, Moses received the same, Mary received the same Jesus received the same in Matt 3:16, 120 received the same Spirit of God in all of these and noting has changed sense Adam concerning God in man.

Jesus Christ was the first born Son of God in my opinion.

Genesis disagrees, Adam was the very first to receive this different from man in carnality from spirituality, Gen 3:22.

The Woman is a reference to the individual who in Christ receives seed from God to be born of God.

No the same seed from God who came to Mary is the very same seed from God who came to Jesus and all of these who did receive Him. He wasnt a different Spirit in Mary that He was in Jesus or any of these others who God came and open in them who He is and all of His heaven in us, Same one in me.

This never took place till first century according to New Testament scripture. Genesis has nothing to do with the cosmos or biology in my opinion.

SO when did God change and Adam didnt receive the same Spirit of God as Jesus did?

John witnessed the light spoken of in Genesis come into the world.

SO did Jesus. The kingdom of God does not come with observation, it is with you. That same light Jesus walked in from GHod is the same One that was opened in Adam in Gen 3:22, and all today who God is come to and manifested Himself in ue walk in that same light, knowledge, that only God Himself can open in man. Untill that happens in a man by God Himself, all man has is beliefs about a god, but Adam learned that same difference from man in carnality, to man of Gods same spirit of mind, and as Jesus learned from God Himself that same difference in Matt 3:16.

God is the same yesterday in man as today and will be the same tomorrow. Not very many even know what the Spirit of God really is. Simply Love for God is Love and man is the place He resides in His kingdom Luke 17:20-21. And Love is the only thing on this planet that never changes, is the same yesterday as is today and will be the same tomorrow. Everything else changes, Everyting. And it didnt change from the day Adam met God to this very day.

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus was making the point that He is God.

Are we God because we're IN CHRIST?

In John 15:2 Jesus stated that IF we do not bear fruit we will be taken away from the vine (Jesus).

So can Jesus be taken away from God even though they are ONE BEING if Jesus does not bear fruit?

We are one with God the Son.
When resurrected?
God could have us perform feats that we at present can not dream or imagine.

​

Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined,​

what God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9​

​

​

.​

 

[Waiting on him]

SO when did God change and Adam didnt receive the same Spirit of God as Jesus did?

Adam means man this man is viewed in Ephesians 4:13.

Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
— Ephesians 4:13

My point is. Adam is a reference to the first century Christ.

Jesus is the first born of all creation Gods/creation per Colossians

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
— John 1:18

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
— Colossians 1:15

 

[Waiting on him]

Genesis disagrees, Adam was the very first to receive this different from man in carnality from spirituality, Gen 3:22.

And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
— 1 Corinthians 15:45

Jesus is the first and the last.

 

[Waiting on him]

@Waiting on him

Nice to see you're having a good time Waiting.
Your inability to respond to 2 of my posts does not bode well for your theological beliefs.

@Waiting on him

Nice to see you're having a good time Waiting.
Your inability to respond to 2 of my posts does not bode well for your theological beliefs.

Here you go let’s see if you will believe what is plainly written.

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
— Numbers 23:19

 

[ProDeo]

ProDeo wrote :

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

We are already created in God's image.

You answered :

Not until you are by God Himself change your whole disposition from a carnal mind to His spiritual mind. Even Adam became like God to know that difference, Gen 3:22.

Even after the Fall in Eden, mankind removed from the presence of the Lord, the Lord God repeated :

Gen 9:6 “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.

Everyone is created in God's image, not everyone is doing much with the information who they are, what our identity is, many do nothing at all to their own judgement.

 

[ProDeo]

Very simple. Read gospels, and read posts here. Jesus says I’m a Son of God,,,,, religious dictators say impossible. Here @Gary Mac says I’m a Son of God,,, religious dictators say impossible.

Jesus called Himself, a) the Son of man, b) the Son of God, all true, He was also God the Son, it's all over the NT and even in the OT.

 

[ProDeo]

Ironic is that all are virgin to Gods Spirit until His seed is planted in our mind. No one is born with it, not even Jesus was born with it proven in Matt 3:16 when he gave birth to the Christ within, Gods anointing.

Do you think Jesus before Matt 3:16 was a sinner like us?

 

[David Lamb]

Ironic is that all are virgin to Gods Spirit until His seed is planted in our mind. No one is born with it, not even Jesus was born with it proven in Matt 3:16 when he gave birth to the Christ within, Gods anointing.

Giving birth to that seed that God plants in man is Spirit, Gods anointing, is the laborious part of a man in childbirth that is in carnality where all he sees of a god if flesh. a man as a god. That child birth that is within, giving birth to the Christ, Gods anointing, that is within, is so difficult for the religious mind in carnality to even explore that there might be a better way for them to be in Gods same image that is not of flesh, not a mortal man but the mind, Spirit, disposition, of man that is not flesh at all.

One cant be a child of God at all least one gives birth to the Christ that is within. Which simply is Gods same disposition of mind. Now we will hear how stupid that sound to these carnal minds who only see a man as a god instead of themselves being that person of Christ that resides within. Not very many gives birth to the Christ within simply because they refuse to let God plant His Spirit in them.

And Jesus was very clear in Luke 17:20-21, where God resided. Within man.

Matthew 3:16 doesn't say that Jesus had the Christ born within Him at His baptism, It says:

“When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him.” (Mt 3:16 NKJV)

Back in Matthew 1, we are told of the birth of Jesus Christ:

“Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit.” (Mt 1:18 NKJV)

It was not a case of Mary giving birth to Jesus, who only became Christ at His baptism.

 

[GodsGrace]

We are one with God the Son.
When resurrected?
God could have us perform feats that we at present can not dream or imagine.

​

Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined,​

what God has prepared for those who love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9​

​

​

.​

GeneZ

WE ARE NOT ONE WITH GOD.
Are YOU God?

Do you think you'll be GOD when you're in heaven?

Where do these really strange ideas come from?

Please explain John 15:2
God removes some branches from the Vine,,,which Vine is Jesus.

So do you think Father could remove Son from Himself?
So why could Father remove YOU from the Son if you're one with the Son the same way the Father is?

 

[GodsGrace]

Here you go let’s see if you will believe what is plainly written.

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
— Numbers 23:19

Cute.
Jesus is all over the OT.

However,
I'm through speaking to you.
Go have your good time smirking with someone else.

And get the word CHRISTIAN removed from your definiton of your religion.

News Flash: You are NOT Christian.