What things? Lk 1:49
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1stCenturyLady
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Here is the literal translation.
49 For He who is mighty did to me great things, And holy His name,
It is talking about she being chosen to fulfill a well known and important prophecy concerning the Messiah.
it says things plural that were done to by God. What things?
What are the possibilities
1stCenturyLady
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That's why I went to Young's Literal Translation to help because some translators are biased. I've found mistakes in the Bible, that cause false doctrines. But that's another topic that requires a book of explanations.
But just know the verse is ONLY about the birth of Christ and Who the Father is.
How do you know this?
One possibility is the miraculous conception of Jesus by the Holy Spirit
the great and sublime divinity of Mary being made the mother of God!
the other must be the immaculate conception of Mary in her mothers womb being created by God with sin, in virtue of the merits of Her divine Son!
see Lk 1:46:47
1stCenturyLady
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I was afraid you were trying to justify your worship of Mary. "Sublime divinity"?
Lifelong_sinner
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worship is reserved for God alone!
Luke 1:42 – “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, Jesus.” The phrase “blessed are you among women” really means “you are most blessed of all women.” A circumlocution is used because there is no superlative in the Greek language. Note also that Elizabeth praises Mary first, and then Jesus. This is hyperdulia (but not latria which is worship owed to God alone). We too can go through Mary to praise Jesus. Finally, Catholics repeat these divinely inspired words of Elizabeth in the Rosary. (All praise of Mary returns to God who created her immaculate without any sin, and to Christ who’s merits virtues and grace fills her immaculate soul!)
Mary is not God but the mother of God! Lk 1:43
1stCenturyLady
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Many. This is why we must study the Bible and especially our New Covenant daily, and always seek the truth when something seems off. It just might be.
For instance. Galatians 5:17. What does it mean? Where else is this in Scripture? There's a mistake by the translator. Can you spot it?
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1stCenturyLady
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Lifelong_sinner
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i like to use the KJV and ESV of the Bible. I see no mistake with them. Care to enlighten me??
Stumpmaster
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Luk 1:49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy is His name.
For details of what things refer to information given by angel Gabriel Luke 1:26 - 38
Robert Gwin
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The Bible is full of things God has done, but of course the context is what Jehovah had done for Mary
the “Bible alone” is not the rule of faith for Christians
The Rule of Faith!
Christ is the rule of faith for Christians!
Jn 14:6
Must be taught by Christ! Gal 1:2
What God has revealed by scripture and the teaching authority of the apostles!
The private interpretation of the “Bible alone” does not and cannot and will not lead to a unity of faith! 2 Pet 1:20
eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Jn 1:16-17 fullness of Christ!
The Bible does not say all truths revealed by God are found in the “Bible alone”! Or that the word of God is limited to the “Bible alone”!
Not the “Bible alone” acts 2:42
Not personal interpretation or experiences. 2 Pet 1:20
The authority of the apostles is required to know what is the scriptures and what is not, the church having wrote the New Testament by the authority of Christ the apostles determined what is scripture and the authentic interpretation there of!
Saint Jerome’s work of collecting the Bible and getting it approved did not happen until in 381 it was approved by the Pope, the valid successor of Peter having jurisdiction authority of the keys of the kingdom of heaven!
How did the church for almost four centuries live without the “Bible alone”?
The teaching authority of the apostles that’s how! The Bible’s is the Bible by the authority of the church, Christ’s authority given to His apostles!
Christ founded the church on Peter and the apostles to defend, to protect, and to teach “thee faith”
What did Christ teach the apostles in the 40 days from His resurrection to His ascension?
What did he teach the two disciples on the road to Emmaus?
What was revealed to John the Baptist in Lk 3:2 the word of God came unto John, and did it come by the Bible alone?
Where does Christ command the New Testament to be written? The apostles having the authority of Christ chose to write scripture! Other apostles wrote nothing at all!
How does the eunuch know about baptism? Acts 8
Rule of faith cannot be the “Bible Alone” because we did not have a bible until 381 when the church of the apostles by the authority of Christ determined what was and what was not scripture! You only have a bible cos the church wrote one and cannonized it by the authority of Christ thru his apostles!
Could not read
The Bible itself points to authority granted by Christ
The Bible condemns person interpretation of scripture as opposed to the church of the apostles having the authority of Christ to interpret scripture
so how can the rule of faith be the “Bible alone” when it did not even exist until the church approved it in 381 by the authority of Christ in His apostles, what about the millions who could not read most could not read until the 20th century, and books including Bible were rare and very expensive all written by hand (mostly by monks who sacrificed their whole life to copy a bible) until the printing press, even then they were still expensive
What does a blind person do?
the Holy Spirit is guaranteed to the apostles Jn 16:13 they are to teach the nations Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 acts 8
in acts 8 did the eunuch know about Christ and baptism from the scripture and the Holy Spirit? No God sent him and apostle
Acts 2:42 the held the doctrine of the apostles
Not the doctrine of the “Bible alone”!
if you believe the doctrine of the “Bible alone”, then there can be no other authority so scratch that verse out of your Bible! And many others that refer to the authority of the apostles!
Btw it’s only by the authority of the apostles that know what is and what is not scripture
Cannot summit to or obey any other authority accept the Bible alone
Even God, or Christ, or His church, or His apostles, or those who He sent and commanded to care for you’re soul!
The Bible is the only authority for a Protestant!
Where does the Bible say the rule of faith is the Bible alone?
the Bible was not assembled and approved until 381 by the apostles btw
Only the apostles said what is and what is not scripture.
What did Christians do in all those years without the “Bible alone”
until the advent of printing bibles were copied by hand and very rare and extremely expensive what did Christians do in those days
Most people were illiterate until the 20th century what did they do?
So you see the “Bible Alone” cannot be the rule of faith for Christians!
Instead we actually believe scripture and submit to and obey the apostles acts 2:42
Must be taught! Must be instructed by Christ!
Bible does not say to read and decide doctrine for you’re self!
Lk 1:1-4
1 Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
2 Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Acts 8 the eunuch had scripture but needed to be instructed by an apostle.
Acts 8:26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert.
27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
Taught by Christ thru His apostles!
Eph 4:20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
Christ taught them and us thru the apostles.
Lk 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
Not scripture alone, but what the prophets spoke! And Christ explaining the scriptures, and we also are disciples, Christ also opens the scripture to us thru His church by the teaching authority of the apostles!
basically it is the Bible is our only authority that implies a personal interpretation also
God, Christ, the HS, the church, the apostles cannot be any authority at all, only scripture
1st problem is that the church of the apostles says what is and what is not scripture
The Bible comes from the teaching of the apostles
Pillar and foundation of truth!
The church will Christ’s authority in the apostles!
1 Tim 3:15
Scripture alone is not enough
Lk 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?
Acts 1:15 peter stood up and opened the scripture to them
acts 8 the eunuch had scripture God sent an apostle to teach him
not Bible alone and a personal interpretation!
Bible alone
example: of the word of God not in the Bible alone!
Lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Or
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
these are divine revelation!
Inspired by the Holy Spirit!
And the word of God!
why do some only accept them after they are written down?
they are divine revelation and the inspired word of God when they were received, and when they were taught to the people, and when they were written down! Why only accept them in the written form or “Bible alone”???
Where Christ or scripture say that all the divinely reveled truths are in scripture?
Where does Christ say what is and what is not scripture?
Mary is not the mother (or source) of the divine nature.
Mary is not the mother of the father.
Mary is not the mother of the Holy Spirit.
Mary is the mother of God Lk 1:43
because Jesus Christ is God and Mary is His mother.
The mother of His entire person not only His body & blood which came from Her.
But of His person!
Mother of God
Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.
If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.
Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
the things can only be the immaculate conception and the miraculous conception
Not to be confused they are two totally different conceptions
Lifelong_sinner
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i assume you’re catholic. The Bible IS the only scripture we are to use. Only catholics use the apocrypha as canon. The Bible is 66 books, not 80. Unless it comes from the Bible, it is not to be assumed that it is from God Himself.
youre 66 only books is tradition of men
apostolic tradition having the authority of Christ has many more books and chapters such as Daniel 13 story of great faith of Susana
the Christian rule of faith (how we know what’s true Jn 8:32) cannot be the Bible alone but Christ and his church teaching all truth and condemning all error
without the teaching authority of the apostles in the holy church you cannot know what is and what is not scripture
faith must be taught, must be proposed by Christ or his church Matt 28:19 Lk 1:4 acts 2:42
1stCenturyLady
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KJV
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. Gal. 5:17
ESV
17 For the desires of the flesh are against the Spirit, and the desires of the Spirit are against the flesh, for these are opposed to each other, to keep you from doing the things you want to do. Gal. 5:17
The mistake is still there, but I looked up all translations of every Bible that is in biblegateway and they are all wrong. I also looked up every commentary and they all are wrong, except one, and agree with each other, but not to what God taught me. But that one, agreed exactly to what God taught me, and now this verse does NOT contradict other scripture. Contradictions are not of God, but clearly of men and the spirit they are listening to- their human carnal spirit. At worst, a doctrine of demons.
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