What was the mark on Cain?

[Ronald Nolette]

We may not be able to prove it, but God gave us minds and He is honored when we use our minds to ponder mysteries in His Word.

I think the explanation that the mark God put on Cain was probably the name of God, meaning Cain was God’s property, makes sense.

He wants us to use our minds to explore Him. Not to ponder what He has not explained in His Word and then draw conclusions. It may make sense but it is unprovable so we should let that mystery lie. there are too many proven things we need to focus on instead of speculating on things god has not revealed in His Word concerning spiritual matters.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Would you say its like 'The mark of the beast' ie, it can't be known....and, 'any speculations or ideas are anywhere from 0 to 100% wrong'

Well teh mark of the beast is known! It is either His name or the number of his name which is 666. It will be branded in someway on peoples foreheads or right hands.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Well teh mark of the beast is known! It is either His name or the number of his name which is 666. It will be branded in someway on peoples foreheads or right hands.

Yes a VISIBLE mark that anyone with eyesight can see otherwise how will anyone know whether they have the MOTB or not ?

 

[quietthinker]

Yes a VISIBLE mark that anyone with eyesight can see otherwise how will anyone know whether they have the MOTB or not ?

People are marked by their political persuasion by their attitude and approach (head and hand). Do they have a tattoo or some other brand which identifies them?
Your gender is identified by your voice, by your gait, by your body language and many other identifiers. One doesn't need a tattoo or branding of any sorts.
Your attitude and approach is surely as VISIBLE a mark if not more so than anything else.
Attitude and approach cannot be hidden for long. It bursts out unrestrained at any suitable opportunity.

 

[quietthinker]

Well teh mark of the beast is known! It is either His name or the number of his name which is 666. It will be branded in someway on peoples foreheads or right hands.

It definitely is known....even 'branded' .....by attitude and behaviour (head and hand).
There are only two options, either it's 'me me me' ie, 666.....or
'by this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another'....Jesus. John 13:35

 

[PeterAndroz]

People are marked by their political persuasion by their attitude and approach (head and hand). Do they have a tattoo or some other brand which identifies them?
Your gender is identified by your voice, by your gait, by your body language and many other identifiers. One doesn't need a tattoo or branding of any sorts.
Your attitude and approach is surely as VISIBLE a mark if not more so than anything else.
Attitude and approach cannot be hidden for long. It bursts out unrestrained at any suitable opportunity.

Rev 13:17 states 'mark'
The Greek word used is charagma
Please show where 'charagma' is translated to attitude, voice, body language etc :)

 

[Anchorite]

People are marked by their political persuasion by their attitude and approach (head and hand). Do they have a tattoo or some other brand which identifies them?
Your gender is identified by your voice, by your gait, by your body language and many other identifiers. One doesn't need a tattoo or branding of any sorts.
Your attitude and approach is surely as VISIBLE a mark if not more so than anything else.
Attitude and approach cannot be hidden for long. It bursts out unrestrained at any suitable opportunity.

You should consider the existence of charismatic con artists and charming scammers.

These people can successfully conceal their true attitude and approach.

But to have a mark that enables you to buy and sell, that mark would have to be more than just an attitude.

And the technology now exists for a physical biometric mark to facilitate financial transactions.

 

[quietthinker]

Rev 13:17 states 'mark'
The Greek word used is charagma
Please show where 'charagma' is translated to attitude, voice, body language etc :)

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Idioms used in today's language are....

1. He looked like a train wreck
2 It's raining cats and dogs
3. Lower than a snakes belly
4. Throw him under the bus
5. Kiss my arse
6. He's got balls of steel
7. Blowin' in the wind
8. Pigging out
9. The road less travelled
10. At the coal face

None of these are literal yet all of them are. You figure it out!

 

[quietthinker]

You should consider the existence of charismatic con artists and charming scammers.

These people can successfully conceal their true attitude and approach.

But to have a mark that enables you to buy and sell, that mark would have to be more than just an attitude.

And the technology now exists for a physical biometric mark to facilitate financial transactions.

In the story of the ten girls (five wise, five foolish)....was it meant by the wise that the foolish should go out and literally 'buy' oil?
Let's not be duller than the dullness Jesus encountered with his disciples. Matthew 15:16-20

 

[Anchorite]

Idioms used in today's language are....

1. He looked like a train wreck
2 It's raining cats and dogs
3. Lower than a snakes belly
4. Throw him under the bus
5. Kiss my arse
6. He's got balls of steel
7. Blowin' in the wind
8. Pigging out
9. The road less travelled
10. At the coal face

None of these are literal yet all of them are. You figure it out!

Just because idioms and metaphors exist in language, you cannot arbitrarily decide to label a word in the Bible as symbolic and not literal.

Charagma (ápayua) is an ancient Greek word meaning a stamp, an imprinted mark, an etching, or a carved sculpture.

In the New Testament, it most famously refers to the "mark of the beast" in the Book of Revelation.

 

[quietthinker]

Just because idioms and metaphors exist in language, you cannot arbitrarily decide to label a word in the Bible as symbolic and not literal.

Charagma (ápayua) is an ancient Greek word meaning a stamp, an imprinted mark, an etching, or a carved sculpture.

In the New Testament, it most famously refers to the "mark of the beast" in the Book of Revelation.

It's for you to figure out. Get it wrong and the rabbit hole you go down gets darker and more twisted than you ever imagined.

 

[PeterAndroz]

Idioms used in today's language are....

1. He looked like a train wreck
2 It's raining cats and dogs
3. Lower than a snakes belly
4. Throw him under the bus
5. Kiss my arse
6. He's got balls of steel
7. Blowin' in the wind
8. Pigging out
9. The road less travelled
10. At the coal face

None of these are literal yet all of them are. You figure it ou

In Revelation the word 'mark' appears 8 times
Except for Rev 15:2 all other use of the word 'mark' (CHARAGMA) is used with implication to the beast
No idioms there :)
You know what they say about idioms ? They are for :):)

So again, show ANYWHERE where CHARAGMA is anything but :-

 

[PeterAndroz]

In the story of the ten girls (five wise, five foolish)....was it meant by the wise that the foolish should go out and literally 'buy' oil?
Let's not be duller than the dullness Jesus encountered with his disciples. Matthew 15:16-20

According to Rev 13:16-18, how will quietthinker know whether someone qt is interacting with has the MOTB ?

 

[Anchorite]

It's for you to figure out. Get it wrong and the rabbit hole you go down gets darker and more twisted than you ever imagined.

You are the one going down a rabbit hole if you consent to receiving a physical mark to enable you to buy and sell.

This may be why you persist in thinking the mark of the beast is just an attitude that you assume you can resist adopting. You perhaps want to keep being able to buy and sell.

Computer chip implants and AI data centers may be poised to implement this physical digital technology beast system very soon, and may have already begun in Switzerland.

 

[quietthinker]

According to Rev 13:16-18, how will quietthinker know whether someone qt is interacting with has the MOTB ?

It will be and is known....even now.....by those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Consider those you deem as 'beasts'. Who shall we name? All and any who exploit, misrepresent and or crush others for their own gain.
Does the expression often used, 'business is business' in this context ring any bells?
Now, we can no doubt think of other figures, historical (war mongers and the like) yet there are plenty more 'beasts' around who have no renown and blend it seems into society.....in particular the 'religious' kind.

And just so it doesn't pass us by, there were those in Jesus time who most definitely had the MOTB.

 

[quietthinker]

You are the one going down a rabbit hole if you consent to receiving a physical mark to enable you to buy and sell.

This may be why you persist in thinking the mark of the beast is just an attitude that you assume you can resist adopting. You perhaps want to keep being able to buy and sell.

Computer chip implants and AI data centers may be poised to implement this physical digital technology beast system very soon, and may have already begun in Switzerland.

I see you are focused on what you can see, touch, taste and smell.....the sensual.
The battle raging is greater and more insidious than the sensual.

Focus in on the sensual and the rabbit hole one goes down is turning the elements of the eucharist into the physical blood and body of Jesus; the conclusion of darkened minds......even looking for tattoos.

 

[PeterAndroz]

It will be and is known....even now.....by those who have eyes to see and ears to hear.

Consider those you deem as 'beasts'. Who shall we name? All and any who exploit, misrepresent and or crush others for their own gain.
Does the expression often used, 'business is business' in this context ring any bells?
Now, we can no doubt think of other figures, historical (war mongers and the like) yet there are plenty more 'beasts' around who have no renown and blend it seems into society.....in particular the 'religious' kind.

And just so it doesn't pass us by, there were those in Jesus time who most definitely had the MOTB.

But what does Rev 13:16-18 teach that shows someone has the MOTB ?

 

[PeterAndroz]

I see you are focused on what you can see, touch, taste and smell.....the sensual.
The battle raging is greater and more insidious than the sensual.

Focus in on the sensual and the rabbit hole one goes down is turning the elements of the eucharist into the physical blood and body of Jesus; the conclusion of darkened minds......even looking for tatto

If blindfolded what other methods does Rev 13:16-18 teach that we can employ to know whether or not we are in proximity of a person who has the MOTB on their hand or forehead ?

 

[quietthinker]

But what does Rev 13:16-18 teach that shows someone has the MOTB ?

That is for you to figure out Peter.
Wisdom is like the oil five virgins were told to buy.....cuz without oil there is no light or light that is going out.

Speaking of 'oil' could it be SAE 30? C'mon, read between the lines! Hear what the Spirit says to the Churches!

 

[PeterAndroz]

That is for you to figure out Peter.
Wisdom is like the oil five virgins were told to buy.....cuz without oil there is no light or light that is going out.

Speaking of 'oil' could it be SAE 30? C'mon, read between the lines! Hear what the Spirit says to the Churches!

Based on the 'wisdom' you believe you have, using verses, state how a person is to see the Rev 13:16-18 MOTB on another.
'mark' > charagma