What was the sign that God gave to confirm that Israel would be given possession of the whole earth?

[Jay Ross]

Perhaps a more brilliant mind that mine may be able to answer this question.

I guess that the sign was a long-term sign for Israel to observe which was not necessarily obvious to Israel.

Shalom

 

[Randy Kluth]

Perhaps a more brilliant mind that mine may be able to answer this question.

I guess that the sign was a long-term sign for Israel to observe which was not necessarily obvious to Israel.

Shalom

I'm not comparing minds, but to try to answer your question I think I'd prefer having a particular verse. My thought is that God promised *land* to Israel. We may call it the land of Israel, or we may call it the entire earth, depending on the context and depending on the specific promise.

Israel was promised a piece of the earth in the land of Canaan. Israel was also promised the possession of the Gentiles, meaning nations. This may have entailed power to defend themselves against hostile nations, or may involve incorporation of those nations into a family that is united in Israel's faith.

At any rate, Israel does not rule over the nations like a political dictator. Rather, it is their *judgment* that rules over the nations, since it is their God that determines right and wrong. Today, Christianity has that judgment, and not just Israel. And Israel, as a nation, has yet to return to the fold.

 

[Jay Ross]

I'm not comparing minds, but to try to answer your question I think I'd prefer having a particular verse. My thought is that God promised *land* to Israel. We may call it the land of Israel, or we may call it the entire earth, depending on the context and depending on the specific promise.

Israel was promised a piece of the earth in the land of Canaan. Israel was also promised the possession of the Gentiles, meaning nations. This may have entailed power to defend themselves against hostile nations, or may involve incorporation of those nations into a family that is united in Israel's faith.

At any rate, Israel does not rule over the nations like a political dictator. Rather, it is their *judgment* that rules over the nations, since it is their God that determines right and wrong. Today, Christianity has that judgment, and not just Israel. And Israel, as a nation, has yet to return to the fold.

RK,

I did not provide any verses because I may have misled members by referencing the wrong passages with respect to the Saints gaining possession of the whole earth. Daniel 7:27 is one such verse that suggests that the Saints will receive dominion over everything that is underneath all of the heaven on the earth. Daniel 7:27: - 27And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

But this is getting in front of the question in the thread's title.

Did God provide a sign that when fulfilled would confirm that the Saints will receive possession of the whole earth.

Perhaps Genesis 12 ff to the end of the book may provide some clues although other Old Testament Book may also confirm what and when God provided the confirmation sign.

 

[Randy Kluth]

RK,

I did not provide any verses because I may have misled members by referencing the wrong passages with respect to the Saints gaining possession of the whole earth. Daniel 7:27 is one such verse that suggests that the Saints will receive dominion over everything that is underneath all of the heaven on the earth. Daniel 7:27: - 27And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

But this is getting in front of the question in the thread's title.

Did God provide a sign that when fulfilled would confirm that the Saints will receive possession of the whole earth.

Perhaps Genesis 12 ff to the end of the book may provide some clues although other Old Testament Book may also confirm what and when God provided the confirmation sign.

I'm not sure there is such a sign except that we, the saints of God, are promised this--not just as individuals but also as nations.

Of course, beyond this I'm not sure nations will exist as such? But as long as man is mortal, there will be nations because God made them. And the Christian nations will dominate on earth being Christian, being true, and being of God.

The confirmation is God's spiritual presence in our souls. This confirms that we have the true God and the resurrected life of Christ, who has appointed us to be judges with respect to his righteousness.

We have borne witness in history to the dominance of Christian nations. And we've certainly seen in the Bible reference to Israel's domnance over pagan nations, particularly when Israel was in compliance with God's will. This is the assurance that we also, as God's People, will reign supreme over all evil in this world.

Again, the confirmation is in our own soul. The "sign," you might say, is the Holy Spirit.

 

[HealthyShape]

Remember, this is a Christian board.

There is no such promise to Israel in Christianity. The closest thing related to obtaining any land is: "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.", but this is not specifically for Israel as a political entity or as ethnicity.

Peace.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Perhaps a more brilliant mind that mine may be able to answer this question.

I guess that the sign was a long-term sign for Israel to observe which was not necessarily obvious to Israel.

Shalom

Simple. The Sabbath.

If this is the scriptural answer you are looking for do I get a gold star to go with my "brilliant mind"? Off the top of my head, that is found in Exodus 31:13, a very easy address to memorize for us geniuses. 3113 LOL

 

[Douggg]

The bible does not say that Israel will be given possession of the whole earth.

 

[Jay Ross]

Simple. The Sabbath.

If this is the scriptural answer you are looking for do I get a gold star to go with my "brilliant mind"? Off the top of my head, that is found in Exodus 31:13, a very easy address to memorize for us geniuses. 3113 LOL

No gold star as the Sabbath was instituted long before Abraham was born. As for you having a "brilliant mind", that is something that others can debate and present their conclusions upon.

 

[Jay Ross]

The bible does not say that Israel will be given possession of the whole earth.

Dougg thanks for displaying your limited understanding of scripture. Your response show that you do not have a brilliant mind or understanding of the scriptures.

For others to consider: - Was the sign visible for Israel to see as a result of King David's armies exploits and the extensive King Solomon's dominion over a vast expanse of nations and land?

 

[Truth7t7]

Remember, this is a Christian board.

There is no such promise to Israel in Christianity. The closest thing related to obtaining any land is: "Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.", but this is not specifically for Israel as a political entity or as ethnicity.

Peace.

The promised land of inheritance will be seen in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as seen in Ezekiel chapters 47-48, the "Eternal Kingdom"

Ezekiel 48:29-35KJV

29 This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord God. 30 And these are the goings out of the city on the north side, four thousand and five hundred measures. 31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi. 32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan. 33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun. 34 At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali. 35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.

Revelation 21:10-13KJV

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

No gold star as the Sabbath was instituted long before Abraham was born. As for you having a "brilliant mind", that is something that others can debate and present their conclusions upon.

Then you must be thinking of circumcision, because the rainbow was not just for Israel.

 

[Douggg]

Dougg thanks for displaying your limited understanding of scripture. Your response show that you do not have a brilliant mind or understanding of the scriptures.

For others to consider: - Was the sign visible for Israel to see as a result of King David's armies exploits and the extensive King Solomon's dominion over a vast expanse of nations and land?

Jay, you did not cite the bible passage of your claim that Israel will be given possession of the whole earth.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Israel is the servants of God !

No one could be called Israel unless they were truly born again Christians in fact !

Anyone who claims that the State that cunningly was called Israel is an Anti-Christ in fact !

Jews do not have Grace in fact ! for they are not born again ! but for the Jews who became the first Christians in fact and all Jews from then on, who became born again Christians in fact !

Christians who are not truly born again do not have Grace in fact. you must be born again to not be of this world that is full of deceptions and delusions.

Many so called Jews are not of any blood line in regards the original line of Gods calling at all ! nor worthy of the OT in fact ! So why Idolise such nonsense. Some Jews eyes will be open in due time tho, for they have been blinded, but if truly worthy of Holy Moses they have hope !
The worst monster of the Jews and of all people is the curse of the Talmud.

 

[Jay Ross]

Then you must be thinking of circumcision, because the rainbow was not just for Israel.

Stop grasping at straws and instead start reading the scriptures with an open mind. Perhaps you may be able to provide the answer I am looking for.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, you did not cite the bible passage of your claim that Israel will be given possession of the whole earth.

Douggg, you complain that I have not provided a biblical passage to support my question of "What was the sign that God gave to confirm that Israel would be given possession of the whole Earth?"

Douggg, I am asking a question of people who have a brilliant mind to provide the answer to this question.

Rather than complain, why don't you search the scripture to find the answer.

 

[jeffweeder]

Perhaps a more brilliant mind that mine may be able to answer this question.

I guess that the sign was a long-term sign for Israel to observe which was not necessarily obvious to Israel.

Shalom

Jesus.

Ps 2
Why are the nations in an uproar [in turmoil against God],
And why do the people devise a vain and hopeless plot?
2
The kings of the earth take their stand;
And the rulers take counsel together
Against the Lord and His Anointed (the Davidic King, the Messiah, the Christ), saying,
3
“Let us break apart their [divine] bands [of restraint]
And cast away their cords [of control] from us.”
4
He who sits [enthroned] in the heavens laughs [at their rebellion];
The [Sovereign] [c]Lord scoffs at them [and in supreme contempt He mocks them].
5
Then He will speak to them in His [profound] anger
And terrify them with His displeasure, saying,
6
“Yet as for Me, I have anointed and firmly installed My King
Upon Zion, My holy mountain.”
7
“I will declare the decree of the Lord:
He said to Me, ‘You are My Son;
This day [I proclaim] I have begotten You.
8
‘Ask of Me, and I will assuredly give [You] the nations as Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth as Your possession.
9
‘You shall break them with a rod of iron;
You shall shatter them [in pieces] like earthenware.’”

10
Now therefore, O kings, act wisely;
Be instructed and take warning, O leaders (judges, rulers) of the earth.
11
Worship the Lord and serve Him with reverence [with awe-inspired fear and submissive wonder];
Rejoice [yet do so] with trembling.
12
Kiss (pay respect to) the Son, so that He does not become angry, and you perish in the way,
For His wrath may soon be kindled and set aflame.
How blessed [fortunate, prosperous, and favored by God] are all those who take refuge in Him!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Stop grasping at straws and instead start reading the scriptures with an open mind. Perhaps you may be able to provide the answer I am looking for.

Okay, I get it. I was almost to my living room when it came to me.

Their Messiah.

 

[HealthyShape]

The promised land of inheritance will be seen in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as seen in Ezekiel chapters 47-48, the "Eternal Kingdom"

Ezekiel 48:29-35KJV

29 This is the land which ye shall divide by lot unto the tribes of Israel for inheritance, and these are their portions, saith the Lord God. 30 And these are the goings out of the city on the north side, four thousand and five hundred measures. 31 And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi. 32 And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan. 33 And at the south side four thousand and five hundred measures: and three gates; one gate of Simeon, one gate of Issachar, one gate of Zebulun. 34 At the west side four thousand and five hundred, with their three gates; one gate of Gad, one gate of Asher, one gate of Naphtali. 35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.

Revelation 21:10-13KJV

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.

Ezekiel Below Is (The Eternal Kingdom) Same River And Tree Of life, Same Fruit On The Tree, Same Leaves Of The Tree For Healing/Medicine

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Ezekiel 47:12KJV
12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.

(The Eternal Kingdom)

Revelation 22:1-2KJV
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

The city in the book of Rev is not about a literal, physical city. The spiritual Jerusalem is church, not Israel.

You must read the Christian Bible as a Christian, or else you will not understand what you are reading.

 

[shepherdsword]

I guess that the sign was a long-term sign for Israel to observe which was not necessarily obvious to Israel.

Shalom

The boundaries for the promised land are pretty well defined in Gen 15:8. However, there is a promise of the gentiles and their kingdoms becoming the inheritance of the Messiah.

Psalm 2:7–8
“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance,
and the ends of the earth for Your possession.”

As for the actual sign? I would say it would be the 7th Trumpet:

Rv 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

*note* not claiming any brilliance above others, just pointing out a possible answer.

 

[Jay Ross]

The boundaries for the promised land are pretty well defined in Gen 15:8.

That was an interesting question that Abraham asked. Did God provide a sign to confirm that they would know that they would inherit the whole earth at some time in the future?