What Will God Say To Me?

[Secondhand Lion]

There has been a fair amount of Creation vs. Evolution discussion on these boards recently. I had no idea there were so many Christians who would vehemently defend evolution. I have even had my salvation called into question recently because I am a "young earth creationist" and a "bible literalist".

It is true. I am a young earth creationist (around 7,000 years) and I am also a biblical literalist. It got me to thinking...What is it that those of you who believe in evolution or any part thereof think God is going to say to people like me when we stand before Him about our beliefs (as young earthers)? I would like you to be as blunt as possible (it is not possible to hurt my feelings). B)

For example, do you believe He is going to say to me:

"SL, you stupid idiot! Why did you try to give all of the credit to me? Why did you believe I could have done all that in six literal days?! I sent man to you in all those text books with all that science to show you what really happened...why didn't you believe man? Why would you believe my word literally over mans word literally?"

Do you believe I (and people like me) will hear: "Depart from me, I never knew you"?

Just wondering, I promise...I don't get offended. Fire away.

 

[theophilus]

He will commend you for having the faith to believe his word rather than accepting the opinions of men.

 

[ChristianJuggarnaut]

Hey guys, don't look now but we have ourselves one of them there white throners.

 

[River Jordan]

There has been a fair amount of Creation vs. Evolution discussion on these boards recently. I had no idea there were so many Christians who would vehemently defend evolution. I have even had my salvation called into question recently because I am a "young earth creationist" and a "bible literalist".

Really? Who did that?

It is true. I am a young earth creationist (around 7,000 years) and I am also a biblical literalist. It got me to thinking...What is it that those of you who believe in evolution or any part thereof think God is going to say to people like me when we stand before Him about our beliefs (as young earthers)? I would like you to be as blunt as possible (it is not possible to hurt my feelings). B)

I don't know....I kinda figure it probably wouldn't come up unless you asked. Then God might say something about it, but otherwise about the only thing I could imagine would be if maybe you spent your life directly tying YEC to Christianity and insisting that the two are intractably linked. Then maybe God might say something about driving potential converts away on a non-salvation issue.

Do you believe I (and people like me) will hear: "Depart from me, I never knew you"?

No.

 

[snr5557]

There has been a fair amount of Creation vs. Evolution discussion on these boards recently. I had no idea there were so many Christians who would vehemently defend evolution. I have even had my salvation called into question recently because I am a "young earth creationist" and a "bible literalist".

It is true. I am a young earth creationist (around 7,000 years) and I am also a biblical literalist. It got me to thinking...What is it that those of you who believe in evolution or any part thereof think God is going to say to people like me when we stand before Him about our beliefs (as young earthers)? I would like you to be as blunt as possible (it is not possible to hurt my feelings). B)

For example, do you believe He is going to say to me:

"SL, you stupid idiot! Why did you try to give all of the credit to me? Why did you believe I could have done all that in six literal days?! I sent man to you in all those text books with all that science to show you what really happened...why didn't you believe man? Why would you believe my word literally over mans word literally?"

Do you believe I (and people like me) will hear: "Depart from me, I never knew you"?


I don't think that at all.

You can believe in a young earth and be just fine. I don't think Creationism is entirely correct, but you have the right to believe in it. However, when Creationism interferes with science, as in, not allowing evolution to be taught in schools, it interferes with our ability to make medicine. That is when it becomes a problem. So no, I don't think that God will say He didn't know you for not believing in evolution, because evolution is a more modern discovery. If what you said was true, all of those people before the knowledge of evolution came out, God would have said He didn't know them.

If you never believe in evolution, fine. If you come to believe in evolution, fantastic. But I don't believe that accepting evolution is necessary for salvation.

Just wondering, I promise...I don't get offended. Fire away.

 

[ChristianJuggarnaut]

Thanks for saying believing in evolution SNR, that is a perfect way to phrase it.

 

[Secondhand Lion]

Hey guys, don't look now but we have ourselves one of them there white throners.

Yes, I should have qualified my statements with, being a biblical literalist...I also believe I will stand before a Holy God someday and give an account to Him for everything I have done and said in this body I dwell in.
It was not someone on this board who called my salvation into question. Sorry, I am still too stupid to get this whole quoting people thing down right. Geesh.

 

[ChristianJuggarnaut]

White throners who hold to a literal interpretation of Revelation are holding back the work of real prophets in the field like Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss.

 

[Madad21]

There has been a fair amount of Creation vs. Evolution discussion on these boards recently. I had no idea there were so many Christians who would vehemently defend evolution. I have even had my salvation called into question recently because I am a "young earth creationist" and a "bible literalist".

It is true. I am a young earth creationist (around 7,000 years) and I am also a biblical literalist. It got me to thinking...What is it that those of you who believe in evolution or any part thereof think God is going to say to people like me when we stand before Him about our beliefs (as young earthers)? I would like you to be as blunt as possible (it is not possible to hurt my feelings). B)

For example, do you believe He is going to say to me:

"SL, you stupid idiot! Why did you try to give all of the credit to me? Why did you believe I could have done all that in six literal days?! I sent man to you in all those text books with all that science to show you what really happened...why didn't you believe man? Why would you believe my word literally over mans word literally?"

Do you believe I (and people like me) will hear: "Depart from me, I never knew you"?

Just wondering, I promise...I don't get offended. Fire away.

My friend,

You don't need to believe in anything before Christ crucified!!!

It is only necessary if you want to have a historical understanding of Biblical origins.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the important part, that is the bit you need to examine and apply.

If all you ever know in this life is the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ crucified.

Then you are truly wise :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:​

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Anyone who tells you otherwise, are sorely in need of a frontal lobotomy :huh:


Now fill your heart today with the joy of hope that rightfully belongs to you and that which was given freely, by a God who loves you so much he called you by name!!!! :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

Romans 8:30 ​

And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.​

 

[aspen]

I think He will ask you how you loved those who believed differently than you did on Earth.

 

[Secondhand Lion]

I think He will ask you how you loved those who believed differently than you did on Earth.

Is this to say that if I disagree with someone and try to change their mind that I am not showing them love? Is there something that I said in my post that gives you the impression I do not love those I disagree with? I love my children with all my heart, yet I correct them in love when I perceive they are on a wrong path. I believe a Father corrects those He loves.

I am not trying to be standoffish, just seeking clarification.

My friend,

You don't need to believe in anything before Christ crucified!!!

It is only necessary if you want to have a historical understanding of Biblical origins.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the important part, that is the bit you need to examine and apply.

If all you ever know in this life is the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ crucified.

Then you are truly wise :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:​

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Anyone who tells you otherwise, are sorely in need of a frontal lobotomy :huh:


Now fill your heart today with the joy of hope that rightfully belongs to you and that which was given freely, by a God who loves you so much he called you by name!!!! :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

Romans 8:30 ​

And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.​

I agree with you. It does not bother me if someone questions my salvation in any way. I stand before my Creator alone. It doesn't bother me if someone believes differently than I do. The more I learn...the less inclined i am to speak in absolutes. The more I learn...the more I find out I don't know. The next "fact" only begs the next question. I wish I was as sure as all the people who speak about all of this as fact....unwaivering. This being said...I do have things I am completely unwilling to back down from as anyone does.

 

[aspen]

it is interesting that you interpreted my post as an accusation. i think God is going to ask all of us the same question. My larger point is that God is most concerned about how we love our neighbors.

 

[Madad21]

Is this to say that if I disagree with someone and try to change their mind that I am not showing them love? Is there something that I said in my post that gives you the impression I do not love those I disagree with? I love my children with all my heart, yet I correct them in love when I perceive they are on a wrong path. I believe a Father corrects those He loves.

I am not trying to be standoffish, just seeking clarification.

I agree with you. It does not bother me if someone questions my salvation in any way. I stand before my Creator alone. It doesn't bother me if someone believes differently than I do. The more I learn...the less inclined i am to speak in absolutes. The more I learn...the more I find out I don't know. The next "fact" only begs the next question. I wish I was as sure as all the people who speak about all of this as fact....unwaivering. This being said...I do have things I am completely unwilling to back down from as anyone does.

It comes in time,you just got to give it time and keep praying for wisdom always pray (which I know you are), like you said the next answer just begs a new question, thats the beautiful thing about this walk, theres always something new around the corner.
Whenever I feel fear or doubt I open up my Bible and read from any of the letters of Paul. food for my spirit and I feel loved again. yummy yum yum.
Hola if you ever want to talk :)

Blessed are those who hunger for they will be filled

 

[Mr.Bride]

You hold to His Word no matter what anybody says, and be led by His Spirit and He'll say 'well done my good and faithful servant, enter in to the joys I have prepared for you'.

Oh, but woe to them who added, took away, twisted, and mishandled those precious, holy, and living words of God. May God have mercy upon their souls.

 

[theophilus]

My friend,

You don't need to believe in anything before Christ crucified!!!

It is only necessary if you want to have a historical understanding of Biblical origins.

The gospel of Jesus Christ is the important part, that is the bit you need to examine and apply.

If all you ever know in this life is the grace and mercy of Jesus Christ crucified.

Then you are truly wise :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:​

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And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.​

Receiving salvation by believing is Jesus is only the first step into a new life. After you are saved you will need to study all that the Bible says in order to know how to live as Jesus wants you to. Jesus said that all of the Old Testament, including the creation account, is true. If you don't have enough faith to believe what he says about this subject how can you have enough faith to be saved?

 

[River Jordan]

Jesus said that all of the Old Testament, including the creation account, is true.

Where, and what does that mean?

 

[KingJ]

There has been a fair amount of Creation vs. Evolution discussion on these boards recently. I had no idea there were so many Christians who would vehemently defend evolution. I have even had my salvation called into question recently because I am a "young earth creationist" and a "bible literalist".

It is true. I am a young earth creationist (around 7,000 years) and I am also a biblical literalist. It got me to thinking...What is it that those of you who believe in evolution or any part thereof think God is going to say to people like me when we stand before Him about our beliefs (as young earthers)? I would like you to be as blunt as possible (it is not possible to hurt my feelings). B)

For example, do you believe He is going to say to me:

"SL, you stupid idiot! Why did you try to give all of the credit to me? Why did you believe I could have done all that in six literal days?! I sent man to you in all those text books with all that science to show you what really happened...why didn't you believe man? Why would you believe my word literally over mans word literally?"


Just wondering, I promise...I don't get offended. Fire away.

Well let's consider the most important fact of scripture first John 3:16. Now we can only believe Jesus is Lord if it is revealed to us 1 Cor 12:3. This is not revealed to all! We must not forget this! James 4:8. Once we have this spiritual revelation we can never say Jesus is not diety. We can never again truthfully deny that the bible is the truth from God. Anyone else would see it as a collection of religious dogma / nice history book.

So the mere fact that you will be standing before God defending scripture as absolute truth speaks well of you.

God will say: ''Well done my good and faithful servant. You used both mind and spirit in finding the truth. On matters that were blurry you defended me by applying scriptures definitions of me and not assuming the worst''.

Example: Many Egyptians died by God's hand...obvious = God is evil, but truth = bible says God is good and just. So a Christian will ask 'how does a good and just God justify killing so many'? They rejected and defied Him after many warnings, all babies go to heaven. Now on evolution we need to do the same. To fill in the ''gap'' (that we created) with a God we know as good.... with billions of years of cruel natural selection :huh: speaks to me of someone who doesn't know God. God hates sin. We and the devil love it. If anything evil takes place it is us and the devil behind it, not God.

Do you believe I (and people like me) will hear: "Depart from me, I never knew you"?

Matt 7:22 is very interesting. When our only drive for involvement in Christianity is selfish gain / prideful reasons we run that risk. Prophecy, healing, miracles, casting out demons...great and wonderful gifts of God. Parallel those to the those mentioned in James 1:27, and we find that God has mostly upside down thinking to us :).

 

[aspen]

Here is an observation.......I have noticed that many Christians on this board and elsewhere think in the same manner as KingJ, as far as filling in the gaps. And they often cite the fact that the Bible refers to God as good and then work backwards to explain all the atrocities in the Bible based on the fact that God is Good. This manner of reasoning reminds me of an old poster that said

CLASSROOM RULES:

1. The teacher is always right
2. Please refer to number 1

First, it makes me cringe to see people confusing Gods Goodness with 'gymnastic style' grasps at justice. They are substituting 'Good' with 'Just', which is very dangerous because it leads to the immoral conclusion that 'might makes right' and 'the ends justify the means'. Basically, it is a character assassination - God of love and God of good is sacrificed for the sake of sovereignty. This type of thinking bleeds over into all areas of life too - there is a Christian counselor named Jay Adams who has written many books on his biblically based counseling style - here it is:

1. First session, confess your sins and experience Gods forgiveness
2. Second session, review first session - still having a problem? repeat first session
3. Third session, still having problems? Turn yourself over to satan so that he can torture you into understanding Gods 'goodness', which is once again substituted for His Sovereignty.

As you can see, the pattern for sovereignty at all costs is preserved. Now, why it took Adams multiple books to explain this ground breaking therapeutic process is beyond me.....

It is not to hard to see how this way of reasoning is applied to evolution, as well.

So, not only has my unwillingness to slaughter Gods Character saved me from Calvin, it has given me the freedom to look at the world around me and learn. King J, you are right, evolution does require faith - every idea and action requires faith. You must suspend your disbelief in order to learn a new idea or perform a new behavior. The faith that Jesus talked about isn't magic. What He is telling us is to stop fighting against loving God and our neighbor - stop hiding in the temple and get to work. Put His teachings into action.

So here is a bit of what I have learned over my 40 plus years on Earth - God is sovereign without my opinion or defense. Gods whole character needs to be considered when reading the Bible - love, mercy, patience, kindness, devotion, and on and on and on.....when we do this, it because clear that humans wrote the OT as a record of their triumphs and failures trying to follow a Good and Loving God. Nationalism, racism, genocide, and even cannibalism were just a few of these failures. So instead of trying to justify all these atrocities, recognize them for what they are, human failures and the result of investing everything in a 'my god can beat up your god' outlook.

 

[KingJ]

So here is a bit of what I have learned over my 40 plus years on Earth - God is sovereign without my opinion or defense. Gods whole character needs to be considered when reading the Bible - love, mercy, patience, kindness, devotion, and on and on and on.....when we do this, it because clear that humans wrote the OT as a record of their triumphs and failures trying to follow a Good and Loving God. Nationalism, racism, genocide, and even cannibalism were just a few of these failures. So instead of trying to justify all these atrocities, recognize them for what they are, human failures and the result of investing everything in a 'my god can beat up your god' outlook.

Don't say ''on and on and on'' as though we must only insert feel good / happy / positive only attributes. The bible clearly defines God as good, just, impartial, longsuffering and relenting from sending calamity. Being just means calamity is en-route. It is part of Him to punish the wicked for their sin. If it wasn't He would not have had to go to the cross.

Now on the OT;

When Jesus taught in the temples, what scripture / scrolls did He use?

If He opposed the cruel OT stories, why is it not recorded? That would have been a colossal moment that would have seen Him crucified sooner.

So now, knowing that Jesus taught from the OT as fact, how do you justify not?

Knowing that Jesus's chosen method of rebuking the devil was quoting the OT, why do you write it off?

We can learn a lot from Matt 4. The devil quoted scripture, then Jesus said it is also written.

So now, why don't you do likewise? When someone says God killed many Egyptians, we should say ''It is also written that they had many plagues at increasing levels of severity''.

What you need to grasp is that God is not a liar and would have a say in His word given us. Especially knowing that the devil will seek to deceive many! I firmly believe that God's word is pure and 100% inspired by Him. Anything less and the devil would have ensured it died in the first year it as written / compiled. God literally gave Moses the ten commandments! But He ignored the rest of what was documented....?

The devil cannot destroy us as we are protected by God. Hence it says he is searching for 'whom' he can devour. The devils best weapon against us is deceit about God's word...as he did with Eve....''Does it / did God really say that?'' Gen 3:1. Notice now what this implies about all who would have us write off scripture. Can you honesty tell me you nervously consider Luke 17:2 everytime you suggest we look at scripture as a myth?

2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Suhar]

There has been a fair amount of Creation vs. Evolution discussion on these boards recently. I had no idea there were so many Christians who would vehemently defend evolution. I have even had my salvation called into question recently because I am a "young earth creationist" and a "bible literalist".

Just wondering, I promise...I don't get offended. Fire away.

Because they are smart and you are not. They know where limits of God are and you do not! They are smarter then God!!! They know that when God said SIX DAYS He did not really mean it!


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