Big Boy Johnson
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They must all be following false doctrine because the world sure is in a mess being full of sin and darkness.
What would you do?
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They must all be following false doctrine because the world sure is in a mess being full of sin and darkness.
Big Boy Johnson
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Yews, but He's not in full control over this world yet.
Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that
He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him
This of course explains why the world is so full of evil and darkness.
Which you ignoreThe so called kubler-ross grief cycle is nothing but man made psychobabble
God's Word is the only place where effective help can be found
Do you think it's true that Christians, when they say that one must die to oneself, loses a part of himself in the process?
“Christians” say and mean all kinds of things.
Christianity isn’t monolithic. Instead of one solid block, Christianity is crushed stone; gravel.
Recall that I don’t urge people to become disciples of Christianity. I urge people to become disciples of the Messiah.
What part of yourself are you concerned about possibly losing in the process of becoming a new creation?
I want to become a new creation. I want to change. I just don't know if it's possible.
The part that I'm concerned about losing is my rationality. I like knowing that something is true before I commit to it. How am I going to convince myself that Jesus died and really rose from the dead? How am I going to bet everything on that being true and still live my life day to day?
How do you do it, Matthias?
Lambano
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Somewhere tickling at the back of my consciousness is the understanding that you lose part of yourself and find another part of yourself that you didn't have before.
Maybe that's what Jesus meant when He said, "Those who would save their own life will lose it, and those who lose their life for My sake will find it."
Sorry to cut into this post. You have to accept Jesus on believing what you believe. It's called surrendering to Jesus. You know what my opinion about believing is, and I do not recommend it. However that's what is required in a overall faith sense. It's letting go of your rational human objections and surrendering to Jesus in faith.
Yes they are, but the fact remains false Christianity owns the world. So I'm right with you on that one.
Lambano
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Not a gambling man, eh?
I've read Stroebel and some of the other apologetics books that explain why it is reasonable to believe that Jesus rose from the dead. Certainly the original disciples who saw the risen Christ were convinced enough to bet their very lives on it. We can go over that if you like. I'm interested in what Matthias will say also.
What have you got left to lose?
Sharing interests with people isn't directed or forced. It isn't something that has some motive attached to it. We share our interests for being known intimately by one and other.
Philippians 2
3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves, 4not looking to your own interests but each of you to the interests of the others.
Let me cut in again.
Yes that's what will happen, a part of you will actually die. It's that old nature, that sin nature, that rebellious nature. That's gone.
I spend my night's on the the street sleeping in a cemetery, and I've observed one immutable fact: People take far better care for the dead in their graves than they do for the living.
Matthew 23
27“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Matthew 23
27“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Not this way.
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This way.
“Jesus told [Thomas], ‘Is it because you’ve seen me that you have believed? How blessed are those who have never seen me and yet have believed!’ Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples that are not recorded in this book. But these have been recorded so that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and so that through believing you may have life in his name.”
(John 20:29-31, ISV)
As Antony Flew was committed to and wrote, “Follow the evidence wherever it leads.”
It’s not. That’s blind faith; and you’re right to recommend against it.
Believing on Jesus is evidence based faith.
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