What's Going On With The Catholic Church Iviting Paganism?

[veteran]

“The methods of concentration used in other religious traditions can be useful for removing obstacles to a deep contact with God. They can give a better understanding of the oneness of Christ as expressed in the various traditions and CONTRIBUTE TO THE FORMATION OF A NEW WORLD RELIGIOUS CULTURE. They can also be helpful in the development of certain potencies in the individual, for THERE ARE SOME ZEN-HINDU-SUFI-ETC. DIMENSIONS IN EACH HEART” (Mary L. O’Hara, “Report on Monastic Meeting at Petersham,” MID Bulletin 1, October 1977).

http://www.wayoflife.org/files/d7a9b5c88f9d24dce14197125be6b482-149.html

What's with this new invasion of pagan ideology into the Catholic Church today?

 

[aspen]

http://www.wayoflife...e6b482-149.html

What's with this new invasion of pagan ideology into the Catholic Church today?

Ah, I see. If you have no defense for your actions, ATTACK, ATTACK!!! LOL


'don't look at that man behind the curtain!'

 

[Groundzero]

http://www.wayoflife...e6b482-149.html

What's with this new invasion of pagan ideology into the Catholic Church today?

The study that I have conducted, has indicated that the Catholic Church compromised in the early centuries to make themselves more popular. They brought in heathen practices to make it more appealing for the heathen. No doubt that's exactly what they are doing now. Compromising, since Jesus taught us just to 'love'! Wrongo! Jesus never compromised. He had plenty of chances to make himself popular with the religious groups of his day, but he never did.

 

[veteran]

Ah, I see. If you have no defense for your actions, ATTACK, ATTACK!!! LOL


'don't look at that man behind the curtain!'

Not me that's doing the attacking if one simply reads info from that link. He's not the only one spotlighting that inter-faith joining that is plaguing the Catholic Church, AND also some Protestant Churches.

It's like groundzero says, that creeping in of paganism happened historically among the Roman Church. It also happened somewhat among the Church of England too. And now it's happening again today.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

This is a good discussion veteran maybe you guys have had it before. I have been very suspicious of catholic people over the past few years, they seem to have a system of harnessing innocence and using it for exploiting people. I don't know exactly what they do but it does seem to place an unnatural obsession with virginity something pagan people as well are quite worried about.

 

[veteran]

This is a good discussion veteran maybe you guys have had it before. I have been very suspicious of catholic people over the past few years, they seem to have a system of harnessing innocence and using it for exploiting people. I don't know exactly what they do but it does seem to place an unnatural obsession with virginity something pagan people as well are quite worried about.

I really don't like to discuss specific Church denominations. I believe there are devout believers and followers within the Catholic system too, just as much as with the Protestant Churches and Messianic assemblies. But it's the 'systems' of corruption over them that bothers me, especially with the idea of joining with other religions of the world.

Yet I'm aware this was prophecy by our Lord for the end too. Doesn't mean we should just simply sit back and watch it happen. God is calling out a people in these last days, and their duty is to give a testimony against that working, all the way up to Christ's return. As long as God's breath is in my body, that's what I'm going to be doing. And you can bet that testimony for Christ is going to step on a lot of toes. So be it.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

I really don't like to discuss specific Church denominations. I believe there are devout believers and followers within the Catholic system too, just as much as with the Protestant Churches and Messianic assemblies. But it's the 'systems' of corruption over them that bothers me, especially with the idea of joining with other religions of the world.

Yet I'm aware this was prophecy by our Lord for the end too. Doesn't mean we should just simply sit back and watch it happen. God is calling out a people in these last days, and their duty is to give a testimony against that working, all the way up to Christ's return. As long as God's breath is in my body, that's what I'm going to be doing. And you can bet that testimony for Christ is going to step on a lot of toes. So be it.

I totally agree about that and would never say they are all bad people. Even if the preist is a pedophile that does not make the whole congregation guilty as we all have unique relationships with God.

 

[veteran]

I totally agree about that and would never say they are all bad people. Even if the preist is a pedophile that does not make the whole congregation guilty as we all have unique relationships with God.

I've brought up the subject of world religious summits being held in Moscow involving that Inter-Faith joining before. Aspen of course tried to attack it because his/her alliance with the principles of Communist-Socialism. No matter, for those world summits in Moscow apparently is the main source of that movement in the world among Christian Churches. It is an attack upon the idea of 'religion' especially, by the Communist International. That's WHY those religious summits involving Christianity and many of the world's religions joining together would be held in Moscow. If they were held in the West, there would be a whole lot more publicity about it. So the Communists here definitely are not going to like me bringing the matter up to get the word out. Tough.

 

[Comm.Arnold]

I've brought up the subject of world religious summits being held in Moscow involving that Inter-Faith joining before. Aspen of course tried to attack it because his/her alliance with the principles of Communist-Socialism. No matter, for those world summits in Moscow apparently is the main source of that movement in the world among Christian Churches. It is an attack upon the idea of 'religion' especially, by the Communist International. That's WHY those religious summits involving Christianity and many of the world's religions joining together would be held in Moscow. If they were held in the West, there would be a whole lot more publicity about it. So the Communists here definitely are not going to like me bringing the matter up to get the word out. Tough.

Yeah Aspen is a strange bird to put it nicely. Are you saying the people participating in these summits are like demons playing church to mislead people. I personally think it has some value to at least hear about and understand other faiths. You make a good point but I don't see the immediate threat in being a brother to another religious person. If you hadn't noticed atheists attack religious people of all faiths on a regualr basis in both of our backyards, and I sometimes think it would give religous people more power in the world and be a force for good.

 

[aspen]

Not me that's doing the attacking if one simply reads info from that link. He's not the only one spotlighting that inter-faith joining that is plaguing the Catholic Church, AND also some Protestant Churches.

It's like groundzero says, that creeping in of paganism happened historically among the Roman Church. It also happened somewhat among the Church of England too. And now it's happening again today.

I am sure you were planning on starting an anti-catholic thread for months, now.....right? HAHA

 

[veteran]

Yeah Aspen is a strange bird to put it nicely. Are you saying the people participating in these summits are like demons playing church to mislead people. I personally think it has some value to at least hear about and understand other faiths. You make a good point but I don't see the immediate threat in being a brother to another religious person. If you hadn't noticed atheists attack religious people of all faiths on a regualr basis in both of our backyards, and I sometimes think it would give religous people more power in the world and be a force for good.

The only value in learning about other religions is so as to know how others are trapped in confusion, and how to recognize those who would bring that confusion into Christ's Body.

2 Cor 6:14-18
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
(KJV)

The inter-faith joining is not about witnessing Christ to those of other religions.

It's about ending the witness of Christ Jesus to those of other religions. It's about acceptance of ALL religions as equal paths to the same God.

When a Christian accepts that someone of another religion can practice meditation, intone vowel sounds, or do animal sacrifice to be saved, etc., then that is to be equally yoked with Belial. It is to deny Christ's Blood shed on the cross as the only Way of Salvation.

 

[aspen]

A strange bird, indeed.....

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

What exactly are they adopting from paganism right now?

While there's many things I dont' agree with in the RCC, there's some things that I do, and somethings that I dont' see any harm in.

Maybe adopting some ritual as a form of worship,,, big deal. We all quote philosophers, writers, doctors and psychiatrists, not to mention the other long line of supposed wise people from over the years.

So, if a person of another religion does something that is helpful in some way, I shouldn't adopt that "good" thing into my life? Maybe a good example is Meditation. Is meditation wrong? If so, how?

In this example I see nothing wrong with silencing your mind and your body and just sitting and thinking of nothing. Of course, many could just call that naptime.

Another thing I want to understand. Didn't paul say the "Gentiles are a law unto themselves"? So, wouldn't the early believers keep some of their customs? Many of the customs either from religion or culture were stamped out by ignorant supposed missionaries. From clothing styles to hair styles, foods, and more other things that I don't even know about.

So,,,,,,, What's pagan and what's not?

 

[veteran]

What exactly are they adopting from paganism right now?

While there's many things I dont' agree with in the RCC, there's some things that I do, and somethings that I dont' see any harm in.

Maybe adopting some ritual as a form of worship,,, big deal. We all quote philosophers, writers, doctors and psychiatrists, not to mention the other long line of supposed wise people from over the years.

So, if a person of another religion does something that is helpful in some way, I shouldn't adopt that "good" thing into my life? Maybe a good example is Meditation. Is meditation wrong? If so, how?

In this example I see nothing wrong with silencing your mind and your body and just sitting and thinking of nothing. Of course, many could just call that naptime.

Another thing I want to understand. Didn't paul say the "Gentiles are a law unto themselves"? So, wouldn't the early believers keep some of their customs? Many of the customs either from religion or culture were stamped out by ignorant supposed missionaries. From clothing styles to hair styles, foods, and more other things that I don't even know about.

So,,,,,,, What's pagan and what's not?

It is a "big deal", a very "big deal".

2 Cor 6:14-18
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
(KJV)

1 Cor 12:2
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
(KJV)

Acts 15:20
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
(KJV0


You can't be a good Buddhist unless you're first willing to bow down to an idol. It amazes me that anyone claiming to be a Christian can be so ignorant of such things.

 

[aspen]

LOL Protestantism came out of Catholicism! Now, are you going to try and tell me that Americans have the authority to teach the British, English?

It amazes me that anyone claiming to be a Christian can be so ignorant of such things.

Me too! I accept your apology.

 

[WhiteKnuckle]

It is a "big deal", a very "big deal".

2 Cor 6:14-18
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.
(KJV)

1 Cor 12:2
2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
(KJV)

Acts 15:20
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
(KJV0


You can't be a good Buddhist unless you're first willing to bow down to an idol. It amazes me that anyone claiming to be a Christian can be so ignorant of such things.

Acts 15:20 in your quote isn't what they were talking about........ Nonetheless, I agree with you and see your point. However, that's not what I was talking about.


What I mean is, take Budhism for example. Crossing over to Christianity, what's wrong with a budhist taking certain rituals and giving them to God? Such as lighting inscense, or candles, or meditation. What's wrong with taking the things that they used to do to honor statues and honor God?

Do we have a set rule of exactly how to worship other than by the societal standards set by the church you attend?

I can see that the biggest problem with adopting certian things such as the ones I mentioned is that some will claim you'll go to hell for not doing so, and doing them in such a way.

 

[lawrance]

I really don't like to discuss specific Church denominations. I believe there are devout believers and followers within the Catholic system too, just as much as with the Protestant Churches and Messianic assemblies. But it's the 'systems' of corruption over them that bothers me, especially with the idea of joining with other religions of the world.

Yet I'm aware this was prophecy by our Lord for the end too. Doesn't mean we should just simply sit back and watch it happen. God is calling out a people in these last days, and their duty is to give a testimony against that working, all the way up to Christ's return. As long as God's breath is in my body, that's what I'm going to be doing. And you can bet that testimony for Christ is going to step on a lot of toes. So be it.

To right !
My father in law riped it up his pastor about the bull that was being pushing at Church to do with all this new namby pambe PC idiot rubbish and he said he was just brush out of the way and the others at Church did not want him to express him self. i said is your pastor a young one. no he said he is in his 70's and should know better.
I fully supported my father in law and said give it to him with both barrels as pastors are not above Jesus laws just running around pushing filthy government trash.
Jesus showed us with a coin who was who and what was what.. so we can not serve two masters.

 

[veteran]

Acts 15:20 in your quote isn't what they were talking about........ Nonetheless, I agree with you and see your point. However, that's not what I was talking about.


What I mean is, take Budhism for example. Crossing over to Christianity, what's wrong with a budhist taking certain rituals and giving them to God? Such as lighting inscense, or candles, or meditation. What's wrong with taking the things that they used to do to honor statues and honor God?

Do we have a set rule of exactly how to worship other than by the societal standards set by the church you attend?

I can see that the biggest problem with adopting certian things such as the ones I mentioned is that some will claim you'll go to hell for not doing so, and doing them in such a way.

Honor which "God"?

Acts 4:10-12
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Whom ye crucified, Whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
(KJV)

When Buddhism starts claiming Jesus of Nazareth The Christ is the ONLY WAY of Salvation, and practices The Gospel of Jesus Christ per The Bible, then I might begin to listen. Til' then, their religion is vanity because it refuses to recognize The Only Saviour Jesus Christ Which The Heavenly Father sent. You cannot be a true Christian if you believe otherwise.

 

[aspen]

Honor which "God"?

Acts 4:10-12
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Whom ye crucified, Whom God raised from the dead, even by Him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
(KJV)

When Buddhism starts claiming Jesus of Nazareth The Christ is the ONLY WAY of Salvation, and practices The Gospel of Jesus Christ per The Bible, then I might begin to listen. Til' then, their religion is vanity because it refuses to recognize The Only Saviour Jesus Christ Which The Heavenly Father sent. You cannot be a true Christian if you believe otherwise.

Nothing wrong with sharing practices of other religions to honor the true God. We are free in Christ. C.S. Lewis was right when he said that all religions have some truth in them - they are just missing the main part Christ. This quest for 'purity' in fundamentalism is a waste of time - chasing rainbows.

 

[Groundzero]

Nothing wrong with sharing practices of other religions to honor the true God. We are free in Christ. C.S. Lewis was right when he said that all religions have some truth in them - they are just missing the main part Christ. This quest for 'purity' in fundamentalism is a waste of time - chasing rainbows.

Jesus is not the main part. He is all there is to it! Without Jesus, we wouldn't exist!