When Exackly Was the Foundation of the World?

bbyrd009 · Mar 12, 2023

Can you say me it?

St. SteVen · Mar 12, 2023

bbyrd009 said:
Can you say me it?

Are you referring to creation?
Some believe in a young universe, others an evolutionary process taking billions of years.
What say you?

Jay Ross · Mar 12, 2023

When you get into "heaven" after the final judgement, is this a question that will still be on your mind to ask?

If it will not be a question that you will need to ask then, why are you asking it now?

St. SteVen · Mar 12, 2023

Jay Ross said:
When you get into "heaven" after the final judgement, is this a question that will still be on your mind to ask?

If it will not be a question that you will need to ask them, why are you asking it now?

Seriously?
You expect us to HOLD all questions until that final judgement UNLESS they pertain to the final judgement?
Seems that would be TOO late, correct?

Jay Ross · Mar 12, 2023

St. SteVen said:
Seriously?
You expect us to HOLD all questions until that final judgement UNLESS they pertain to the final judgement?
Seems that would be TOO late, correct?

How important is the resolution of the age of the earth for you, with respect to your salvation?

For me, it is not that important. The creation story simply tells us that it was God who created the universe in which we live. And that is good enough for me.

MatthewG · Mar 12, 2023

Genesis 1:1 God created the heavens and earth.

St. SteVen · Mar 12, 2023

Jay Ross said:
How important is the resolution of the age of the earth for you, with respect to your salvation?

I'm not on a forum to gain salvation, This is fellowship.

Jay Ross said:
For me, it is not that important. The creation story simply tells us that it was God who created the universe in which we live. And that is good enough for me.

Of course.
I suggest you not waste your time with any more posts. Unless you have something significant to add, of course. (bring it)

APAK · Mar 12, 2023

bbyrd009 said:
Can you say me it?

Hey Bbyrd...All Bibles since at least Wycliffe have the English translations AND meaning of this expression all wrong. In short, as only a conclusion, the expression has zip to do with a foundation of any type or anything. And it has nothing to do with the planet earth or its creation either.

The best translated English meaning means: the establishment by deliberate force or act of the first human society. And then take your pick when this happened - it's either since Adam and Eve or Noah's family and the Flood.

I know I did not show any support work and reasons because it takes up a few paragraphs for sure. As a starter, the Greek word for a true foundation English translation is not the same and never used in this expression 'foundation of the world' under study.

It's a start anyway..I guess I'm a little lazy these days, trying to get through some Sciatica waistline pain...APAK

bbyrd009 · Mar 12, 2023

St. SteVen said:
Are you referring to creation?
Some believe in a young universe, others an evolutionary process taking billions of years.
What say you?

i think that would be erets, and not kosmou?

bbyrd009 · Mar 12, 2023

MatthewG said:
Genesis 1:1 God created the heavens and earth.

neither of which is about the foundation of the “world” idt

bbyrd009 · Mar 12, 2023

APAK said:
The best translated English meaning means: the establishment by deliberate force or act of the first human society

def seems closer, but somehow maybe not when the Lamb was slain, exactly
dunno

APAK said:
As a starter, the Greek word for a true foundation English translation is not the same and never used in this expression 'foundation of the world' under study

which reinforces the above point' perhaps

APAK · Mar 12, 2023

Actually Bird @bbyrd009 another 3rd candidate is since or from Cain....he began human society..

God threw down human seed - first human, Cain. The first human born of woman....not Adam of course. Cain actually began human society,

And remember that God said his purpose for bringing seed(s) to women was to eventually crush the head of Satan by Christ. And therefore Christ was already slain in the purpose and plan of God before Cain was even born.

Great Evening dude and the week to come.

bbyrd009 · Mar 12, 2023

APAK said:
As a starter, the Greek word for a true foundation English translation is not the same and never used in this expression 'foundation of the world' under study.

interesting, didnt know that; the “foundation” root that it was Quoted from,
“1. to cast down: τινα, passive, Revelation 12:10 Rec.; to throw to the ground, prostrate: passive, 2 Corinthians 4:9 (where the metaphor is taken from an athlete or combatant).

2. to put in a lower place: in the phrase θεμέλιον καταβάλλομαι, to lay (down) a foundation (Josephus, Antiquities 11, 4, 4; 15, 11, 3; Dionysius Halicarnassus, Antiquities 3, 69; others), Hebrews 6:1.
”

it is a weird form for “foundation,” huh

APAK · Mar 12, 2023

bbyrd009 said:
interesting, didnt know that; the “foundation” root that it was Quoted from,
“1. to cast down: τινα, passive, Revelation 12:10 Rec.; to throw to the ground, prostrate: passive, 2 Corinthians 4:9 (where the metaphor is taken from an athlete or combatant).

2. to put in a lower place: in the phrase θεμέλιον καταβάλλομαι, to lay (down) a foundation (Josephus, Antiquities 11, 4, 4; 15, 11, 3; Dionysius Halicarnassus, Antiquities 3, 69; others), Hebrews 6:1.
”

it is a weird form for “foundation,” huh

Actually 'foundation' and 'world' is grossly incorrect and should never be in this expression of scripture in the first place....That's what I meant...now I'm opening up with some explanation....did really want to at this point...just for you then..

The NT uses the Greek expression words “KATABOLES KOSMOU” and it does not mean 'foundation of the world.' It means throwing down (by force or deliberate effort) of/for human society - the conspicuous order of the human species in this case. i.e. to deliberately plant the seed of the human species and human society as a NEW ORDER of things. What you read in the Bible is in err, totally. And the true Greek word for the English 'foundation' is "“THEMELIOS" to lay down deliberately like laying down concrete or dirt etc. to form a base....comes from the Greek verb “tithemi”, which means “to lay or throw down, to set in place”. The NT writers knew this common Greek word “but NEVER was USED in the expression FOR the false expression ' foundation of the world.'

They deliberately tossed out the true meaning of 'throwing down' and just replaced it with the result of this ACTION....like a concrete foundation is formed...see the careless err formed in ignorance. It's gross negligence! They have not fixed it yet and won't in the future....

KOSMOS means the order of governance, and human government or society not the physical earth, universe etc.

---------------BL------------------------------
The New Testament Greek expression “kataboles kosmou” really means: “THE THROWING DOWN (as in the deliberate planting and establishing) OF HUMAN SOCIETY”! That meaning is not at all the same as saying that it means “the foundation of the world”!

-----------------------now you know of a conspicuous error/expression used today I believe 10x in the NT for the erroneous 'foundation of the world'

bbyrd009 · Mar 12, 2023

APAK said:
They deliberately tossed out the true meaning of 'throwing down' and just replaced it with the result of this ACTION....like a concrete foundation is formed...see the careless err formed in ignorance. It's gross negligence!

well, could be, i guess; ive def seen a bit of gross negligence in translation
but i suggest that it also might be deliberate, if the foundation of the world being referred to is…in a different context than the one assumed

APAK said:
The NT uses the Greek expression words “KATABOLES KOSMOU” and it does not mean 'foundation of the world.' It means throwing down (by force or deliberate effort) of/for human society - the conspicuous order of the human species in this case. i.e. to deliberately plant the seed of the human species and human society as a NEW ORDER of things.

may i suggest that as a human you also had a foundation of the world, on a more personal level

quietthinker · Mar 12, 2023