When Jesus Came out the Grave, he was Born Again.

[Bladerunner]

Yes

is that a yes, I agree or a Yes, maybe

 

[Truther]

Show that in the Bible, please. Let's always use scriptures and verses to get clear understanding.

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

You are a living soul. I am a living soul. Jesus is a quickening spirit. He was made a quickening spirit regarding his resurrection.

 

[Truther]

is that a yes, I agree or a Yes, maybe

I agree

 

[wooddog]

No, Acts 2:38. You can do it. It’s not that hard.

And?

 

[wooddog]

Yes, but the only people that will reign with Jesus Christ in the millennial are those that obey Acts 2:38. At least per our dispensation we have to follow it.
Rebels cannot reign with him.

Rebel how so?

 

[Truther]

And?

If you get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of your sins, you will be in good standing with God and part of the first century church. You’ll also qualify yourself to be in the millennial reign as a judge over the Earth. That’s what you want to do.

 

[Truther]

Rebel how so?

Rebelling by not being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins. 90% of Christians are rebelling.

 

[bro.tan]

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

You are a living soul. I am a living soul. Jesus is a quickening spirit. He was made a quickening spirit regarding his resurrection.

I'm sure I already quoted those verses, but the example is Jesus was a living soul and died and became a quickening spirit, which is born again. Paul explain in 1 Corinthains 15: 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[Truther]

I'm sure I already quoted those verses, but the example is Jesus was a living soul and died and became a quickening spirit, which is born again. Paul explain in 1 Corinthains 15: 45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

A quickened spirit is a spirit that is raised up.
A quickening spirit is a spirit that raises up.
Jesus was made a quickening spirit.
The first Adam wasn’t.


Totally opposite spirits.

 

[Bladerunner]

44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

You are a living soul. I am a living soul. Jesus is a quickening spirit. He was made a quickening spirit regarding his resurrection.

what about Jesus, He was a living soul...for He was fully Man.

 

[Truther]

what about Jesus, He was a living soul...for He was fully Man.

Yes,, but he was made a quickening spirit after he was resurrected by God. None of us were made a quickening spirit. We don’t quicken anything. We are quickened.

 

[Truther]

The following is a OP of a thread that I started on CARM. It is related to the subject, and you guys can scrutinize it if you wish….

Oneness teaches, the Father is the son. This inadvertently implies that the son(aka Father) got his mother pregnant, and God now has humanity or weakness installed in Him since the incarnation etc(aka God the son).


Trinitarians teach the eternal son of God, the second person in the Trinity took on humanity(aka God the Son). This leaves the other two persons without humanity. Also, it implies that Jesus had two fathers, the Father person and the Holy Ghost person, because Mary was also found with child of the Holy Ghost person etc.


Others teach that Jesus is merely Michael the archangel.


Still others teach that Jesus is only the human son of God and never to be called God. These are Biblical Unitarians.





Could it be that there is yet another Biblical concept we missed? Could it be that the Father dwelled in and now fully indwells the post resurrection, omnipresent body of the human son, which makes the human son the Father or God by default?


Could it be that when the Father of Jesus Christ raised him from the dead He raised him a quickening spirit as per 1 Corinthians 15? The same omnipresent quickening spirit that encountered Paul per Acts chapter 9? Could it be that Jesus is now bodily omnipresent and every bit of what God consist of dwells inside of him, making him God by default?


Could this be why in Revelation chapter 3, with Jesus in heaven for decades, claims four times in one verse that he has a God? Could it be that his God fully indwells him bodily and he is the visible representation of his God to us which makes him God by default?


Who knows?


The smartest thing to do is go back to the Bible and teach the Father is inside the son. Not along side or is the son but inside the son. This is easy to teach, and it is scriptural from cover to cover. It cannot be debunked. Per his life on earth, God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself. After resurrecting to now, in him dwelleth all the fullness of the godhead bodily.


Which means every bit of what God consists of dwells in the body of Jesus Christ. This makes Jesus God by default.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Yes He did spirtually that day and so did the whole world...It is apparent that GOD shed His Grace upon Him in the later years.. Not uncommon.

You should take a gander at JOHN 3:3 - Jesus answered, and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be borne again, he cannot see the kingdom of God

In otherwords, the resurrect defeated Death for all those He Died for.

He went to the Cross for the entire world... not just for a select few as the calvinist cult falsely teaches.

Interesting choice of words.

True none the less.

So we labour in Christ keeping his Commandments which are spiritual, even though we in the body doing Jesus will physically. We not physically with the Lord, but our minds are spiritually with the lord.

And when a true Christian dies... they go to be with the Lord

They do NOT go in to "soul sleep" as some of the cults claim.

But Jesus was not necessarily born again after he was resurrected

Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

I have been in the Pentecostal lifestyle for 45+ years.

I went to one of these churches a while back to visit and the pastor laid hands on me suddenly in violation of 1 Timothy 5:22 and then with his hand on my head he started trying to push me over backwards!

The Holy Spirit of the Real Jesus of the Bible... was not in that church.

 

[Davy]

Jesus The Christ, Immanuel God with us, God come in the flesh, had NO need to be "born again" as we do. Assuming He did need that is to BLASPHEME Him as God The Son. "Does God need saving?" NO! of course not! Thus there should never be any allusions to such an idea.

 

[bro.tan]

You should take a gander at JOHN 3:3 - Jesus answered, and said unto him, Verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be borne again, he cannot see the kingdom of God





He went to the Cross for the entire world... not just for a select few as the calvinist cult falsely teaches.





True none the less.





And when a true Christian dies... they go to be with the Lord

They do NOT go in to "soul sleep" as some of the cults claim. View attachment 53990

Let' see what Solomon has to say about this subject. Ecclesiastes 9:3 This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

Take a look at what Solomon said. This event happened to us all while we are under the sun. Why did he say under the sun? We'll find this out later. Pay close attention here. The heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live. While they live. Then what happens after that? They go to the dead.

Ecclesiastes 9:4For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.

While you are still alive there is still hope. What hope is this? Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: This is what you hope for while you are still alive. Notice something else, Solomon said. For a living dog is better than a dead lion. Why is that? The dog is alive and the lion is dust. Can a dead lion be of any use? No! Solomon said a mouth full, look at the next verse.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

For the living know not any thing, neither any more reward. Why? Once you're dead there is no more hope. If you went to the grave in Christ, he will awake you in the first resurrection, and you will live and reign on the earth with him and the saints. If you did not die in Christ he will wake you in the second resurrection and you will be judged according to your works. If you are dead do you have any memory? What did Solomon say? "For the memory of them is forgotten". Now we know you have no more memory while you are in the grave. If you did something wrong to a person and they're dead, you don't have to worry, they won't come and haunt your house.

 

[bro.tan]

A quickened spirit is a spirit that is raised up.
A quickening spirit is a spirit that raises up.
Jesus was made a quickening spirit.
The first Adam wasn’t.


Totally opposite spirits.

I agree, but for some reason you are not seeing my point, or acknowledging it.

 

[Bladerunner]

Yes,, but he was made a quickening spirit after he was resurrected by God. None of us were made a quickening spirit. We don’t quicken anything. We are quickened.

Yes and He is what we will become for we sill see Him as He is for we will be like Him.

 

[Truther]

I agree, but for some reason you are not seeing my point, or acknowledging it.

You’re not making any point. That’s why I don’t see it. A quickening spirit quickens things. We are not quickeners. Jesus is the quickener. I think you’re reading into the verse something that’s not there.

 

[NotTheRock]

I'm way late to this discussion but I'm inclined to think that Jesus is the one person in all of human history who was never "born again".

Jesus was resurrected into a glorified body. He wasn't "born again", at least not in the way Jesus described it to Nicodemus.

 

[Truther]

I'm way late to this discussion but I'm inclined to think that Jesus is the one person in all of human history who was never "born again".

Jesus was resurrected into a glorified body. He wasn't "born again", at least not in the way Jesus described it to Nicodemus.

You might say, Jesus “evolved” into an omnipresent body after his God resurrected him from the dead.