When Religion Blinds: Why Only Christ Transforms

[Jack]

You are the one who outright rejects Jesus' truth. I share them with you and you throw them away. YOU BEST RELOOK SIR( Luke 17:26)

Do you need permission from your GB masters to quote the Bible? Do you even know how? You said our Bibles are errors and Satanic, just like Satan would say!

 

[Jack]

Keiw- I realize that offended you. I know how hard it is to hear. I remember feeling the same way you do when my grandmother called it a cult 40 yrs ago. I didn't intend to upset you and for that I apologize. I don't want to hurt you. That's the last thing I want.
The Watchtower fits the BITE model as a cult. I have no idea how you define a cult? So tell us?

I don't know of any religion that attacks the Bible as bad as JW's!

 

[PS95]

I don't know of any religion that attacks the Bible as bad as JW's!

I don't either, but to Keiw they "fixed" it. He fully believes that. I have tried to show my JW family, but they refused to look at their own Greek interlinear. They were told it could confuse them.
And why yes it would. Some things are very simple-- like adding words --that are clearly not there that change the meaning of a verse.
So of course their hierarchy doesn't want them to know that.-- but some do know and will say things such as--
well that word isn't in the Greek but it is ok because... it is "implied". No it was not implied- it changes the meaning and it was only needed there to align with their doctrine. It's dishonest. Their minds can not accept that ,and that is due to the programming of mind control.
Their leaders are as gods to them.

 

[Behold]

Keiw is blatantly antiBible!

His cult caused it.

 

[Jack]

His cult caused it.

No doubt!

 

[Keiw]

Keiw- I realize that offended you. I know how hard it is to hear. I remember feeling the same way you do when my grandmother called it a cult 40 yrs ago. I didn't intend to upset you and for that I apologize. I don't want to hurt you. That's the last thing I want.
The Watchtower fits the BITE model as a cult. I have no idea how you define a cult? So tell us?

God defines it well-A house divided( hundreds of confused trinity religions) will not stand. Those fail this true mark=1Cor 1:10= Unity of thought( ALL of Gods truth) no division. A simple bible milk truth-no division, yet there are hundreds of different trinity based religionssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.Gods promise= they will not stand.

 

[Keiw]

His cult caused it.

You missed Gods view of a cult sir. = A house divided( hundreds of trinity based religions) will not stand. The only view that counts in the end. Those fail this true mark 100%=1Cor 1:10)= Unity of thought( all of Gods truth) no division. Do you understand --no division? Hundreds of trinity based religions do not.

 

[PS95]

God defines it well-A house divided( hundreds of confused trinity religions) will not stand. Those fail this true mark=1Cor 1:10= Unity of thought( ALL of Gods truth) no division. A simple bible milk truth-no division, yet there are hundreds of different trinity based religionssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.Gods promise= they will not stand.

Sorry. Unity at all costs does not a true religion make. Cults are always unified. Plenty of false religions are unified. Cults are always unified.

I agree with you that the passage below does sound like the forum here- .Notice Paul beseached them- even the Lord prayed for us to have unity. Obviously, it was not FORCED lockstep unity that cults demand.

In life OFF the internet= I have seen many churches of different names come together for all sorts of things- studies, missions, outreaches, charitable deeds etc, in complete love and harmony. The differences in beliefs are so minor and it is generally a jerk that wants to argue them.
It certainly isn't the way this forum is with the nitpicking.
1 Cor 1
10Now I beseech you, brethren, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfected together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For it hath been signified unto me concerning you, my brethren, by them that are of the household of Ce, that there are contentions among you. 12Now this I mean, that each one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos: and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized into the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, save Crispus and Gaius; 15lest any man should say that ye were baptized into my name. 16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.

 

[Jack]

God defines it well-A house divided( hundreds of confused trinity religions) will not stand. Those fail this true mark=1Cor 1:10= Unity of thought( ALL of Gods truth) no division. A simple bible milk truth-no division, yet there are hundreds of different trinity based religionssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.Gods promise= they will not stand.

You're the one who called our Bible ERRORS and SATANIC! Remember?

 

[Jack]

You missed Gods view of a cult sir. = A house divided( hundreds of trinity based religions) will not stand. The only view that counts in the end. Those fail this true mark 100%=1Cor 1:10)= Unity of thought( all of Gods truth) no division. Do you understand --no division? Hundreds of trinity based religions do not.

Those who deny Jesus is God and deny Hell Fire are messengers of Satan, leading people to Hell!

 

[Behold]

. Do you understand --no division? Hundreds of trinity based religions do not.

Paul teaches that the believer is to come "to the unity of the Faith".
If this was automatic, then there would be no need for the verse.

Here is how it works.

A sinner comes to Christ, and God gives them the new birth.
Now they are a Christian, and yet they know NOTHING......other then.......""Jesus saved me.."""

So, in come the cultists and the heretics to try to take this babe in Christ and mislead them into their Cult.

Soon.........The JWs are knocking on your door.
The Mary sellers are inviting you to be water baptized and confirmed into their cult.
Here come the mormons and the calvinists and the people who will tell you that "if you have not spoken in tongues then you dont have the spirit"...........and many others..

But it can be that the Christian finds a good teacher, a good pastor , a good sunday school group, who are able to disciple them so that they are able to leave the Hebrews 6:1 infant stage of discipleship and grow a bit, and learn how to recognize the Legions of theological liars, and resist them.

 

[Keiw]

Sorry. Unity at all costs does not a true religion make. Cults are always unified. Plenty of false religions are unified. Cults are always unified.

I agree with you that the passage below does sound like the forum here- .Notice Paul beseached them- even the Lord prayed for us to have unity. Obviously, it was not FORCED lockstep unity that cults demand.

In life OFF the internet= I have seen many churches of different names come together for all sorts of things- studies, missions, outreaches, charitable deeds etc, in complete love and harmony. The differences in beliefs are so minor and it is generally a jerk that wants to argue them.
It certainly isn't the way this forum is with the nitpicking.
1 Cor 1
10Now I beseech you, brethren, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfected together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For it hath been signified unto me concerning you, my brethren, by them that are of the household of Ce, that there are contentions among you. 12Now this I mean, that each one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos: and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized into the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, save Crispus and Gaius; 15lest any man should say that ye were baptized into my name. 16And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other. 17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not in wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made void.

And the religions that come together as you mentioned -ALL have different truths= confusion.= lack of holy spirit.

 

[Keiw]

Paul teaches that the believer is to come "to the unity of the Faith".
If this was automatic, then there would be no need for the verse.

Here is how it works.

A sinner comes to Christ, and God gives them the new birth.
Now they are a Christian, and yet they know NOTHING......other then.......""Jesus saved me.."""

So, in come the cultists and the heretics to try to take this babe in Christ and mislead them into their Cult.

Soon.........The JWs are knocking on your door.
The Mary sellers are inviting you to be water baptized and confirmed into their cult.
Here come the mormons and the calvinists and the people who will tell you that "if you have not spoken in tongues then you dont have the spirit"...........and many others..

But it can be that the Christian finds a good teacher, a good pastor , a good sunday school group, who are able to disciple them so that they are able to leave the Hebrews 6:1 infant stage of discipleship and grow a bit, and learn how to recognize the Legions of theological liars, and resist them.

Tell us which-ONE out of the hundreds of trinity based religions has Gods truth via holy spirit? The other 99% do not have it. They all teach different truths on matters= confusion= a lack of holy spirit.
A real teacher that Jesus appointed and is with--teach-EVERY utterance from God( OT-NT) to the flock without fail. The rest are these-2Cor 11:12-15)

 

[Behold]

Tell us which-ONE out of the hundreds of trinity based religions has Gods truth via holy spirit?

God does not recognize "religion" or "denominations" as those are man made.

God recognized FAITH in Christ in your HEART........and that person becomes "the Church"....."the Bride of Christ"... "The temple of the Holy Spirit"...
= Born again.


See, carnal people worry about "what my denomination teaches".

God isn't interested.

Here is the reality.
You have 98% of Christians (worldwide) involved in a denomination., and you have 2% of Christians who do all the work for God., worldwide

Do that math and you have discovered what God knows.

 

[Keiw]

God does not recognize "religion" or "denominations" as those are man made.

God recognized FAITH in Christ in your HEART........and that person becomes "the Church"....."the Bride of Christ"... "The temple of the Holy Spirit"...
= Born again.


See, carnal people worry about "what my denomination teaches".

God isn't interested.

Here is the reality.
You have 98% of Christians (worldwide) involved in a denomination., and you have 2% of Christians who do all the work for God., worldwide

Do that math and you have discovered what God knows.

God had a religion in OT=Israelite religion--Jesus started 1 religion--Even the pharisees saw it-Acts 24:5--They called it a sect--Like today the darkness calls Jesus' religion a cult, when in reality they are the cult.

 

[PS95]

And the religions that come together as you mentioned -ALL have different truths= confusion.= lack of holy spirit.

Keiw- try your best to understand me.. In the early church there were people who did not believe they could eat certain things because they thought it was a sin- to them it was.. others did not feel that way. There were other people who held one day as more important than another-- to them it was a sin not to. Yet, others did not agree with them either.
Paul did not call that division. He said to allow for the consciences of others and not to judge them- because what is not done in faith is a sin to them.
JWS would never allow that- everyone must think & do exactly the same. --
You see, we are free- not under law but grace. So some things are up to the individual- the holy spirit may convict someone one way and another another way. Can we be sure? idk- but I do know that not all people agree on everything and that is ok. It is not division UNLESS someone starts calling someone else evil over something they should not.
What we do need to agree on are the core basics of the faith- and most do.
The things that they disagree on are minor for the most part.
We could have leaders that demand their way on everything- such as what kind of music or clothing or hair lengths etc-- but they don't lord it over us. They should not. I can fellowship with people from many denominations and it is as if we know each other- that is because of what we have in common- a love for God and His Son.
So yes, while churches may disagree on what age to baptize or whatever-- it doesn't drive a wedge between the believers unless they are immature in the faith. Many are immature but we always need to give them time to grow. No one is in the same place in their walk.
In a world where the scriptures laid down every single thing we should do and how to do it and when to do it-- wouldn't that be like being under the law?
Do this- don't do that ..
Instead we are free- the holy spirit guides and convicts us of sin and comforts us but we are not told how to do everything a certain way.
Some people cant handle freedom and need to make rules and to dictate to others..
The ones yelling the loudest at someone else telling them what to do and how to do it are the people who are not freed themselves.
We will all stand before the Lord- not each other. We are to love one another.

 

[Behold]

Jesus started 1 religion-

Christianity is not a "religion."
Christianity is a restored relationship between God and Man based on the Sacrifice of Jesus's body and BLOOD that God accepts on behalf of a sinner who has given God their faith in Christ.
Christianity is God's Grace, and God's Grace is not a "religion".

 

[Keiw]

Keiw- try your best to understand me.. In the early church there were people who did not believe they could eat certain things because they thought it was a sin- to them it was.. others did not feel that way. There were other people who held one day as more important than another-- to them it was a sin not to. Yet, others did not agree with them either.
Paul did not call that division. He said to allow for the consciences of others and not to judge them- because what is not done in faith is a sin to them.
JWS would never allow that- everyone must think & do exactly the same. --
You see, we are free- not under law but grace. So some things are up to the individual- the holy spirit may convict someone one way and another another way. Can we be sure? idk- but I do know that not all people agree on everything and that is ok. It is not division UNLESS someone starts calling someone else evil over something they should not.
What we do need to agree on are the core basics of the faith- and most do.
The things that they disagree on are minor for the most part.
We could have leaders that demand their way on everything- such as what kind of music or clothing or hair lengths etc-- but they don't lord it over us. They should not. I can fellowship with people from many denominations and it is as if we know each other- that is because of what we have in common- a love for God and His Son.
So yes, while churches may disagree on what age to baptize or whatever-- it doesn't drive a wedge between the believers unless they are immature in the faith. Many are immature but we always need to give them time to grow. No one is in the same place in their walk.
In a world where the scriptures laid down every single thing we should do and how to do it and when to do it-- wouldn't that be like being under the law?
Do this- don't do that ..
Instead we are free- the holy spirit guides and convicts us of sin and comforts us but we are not told how to do everything a certain way.
Some people cant handle freedom and need to make rules and to dictate to others..
The ones yelling the loudest at someone else telling them what to do and how to do it are the people who are not freed themselves.
We will all stand before the Lord- not each other. We are to love one another.

A love for God and his son=Jehovah and Jesus, 1 is God, 1 is not God. Satan poses as ALL other Gods on Earth.

 

[Keiw]

Christianity is not a "religion."
Christianity is a restored relationship between God and Man based on the Sacrifice of Jesus's body and BLOOD that God accepts on behalf of a sinner who has given God their faith in Christ.
Christianity is God's Grace, and God's Grace is not a "religion".

1 religion claiming to be Christian belongs to God, the rest are satans. Jehovah is the only true God, Jesus is his son= not God.